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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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whats gonna happen in two days?
hooded pitohui
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Just got back from a showing tonight. Really solid. Out of curiosity I checked out Heath Ledger's wikipedia page and saw that his first film was 1992's "Clowning Around." 
SpaceKitten
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just saw this , great movie, was afraid it was gettin a bit overhyped by th media because of the tragic death of HL, but im glad to say i was wrong,
my critique would be that i agree w JB1981 on that there was something in BB that made it so very special that is lacking here,,,
i also felt like there were parts in the middle of the movie where it was all to quick paced then cut the next action sequence (trimmed for playtime? blu-ray dir cut pls?)
still as good of a superhero movie u can expect i think
my critique would be that i agree w JB1981 on that there was something in BB that made it so very special that is lacking here,,,
i also felt like there were parts in the middle of the movie where it was all to quick paced then cut the next action sequence (trimmed for playtime? blu-ray dir cut pls?)
still as good of a superhero movie u can expect i think
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
only thing I found funny was Batman still doing the batman voice with Mr Fox who knows who he is.. :lol :lol :lol
Great movie. HL was an awesome Joker. Still a close race about which Joker is better in my mind right now..
Great movie. HL was an awesome Joker. Still a close race about which Joker is better in my mind right now..
Rentahamster
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Who's to say that Wayne is so messed up now that the Batman voice is his real voice, and his Bruce voice is the fake one? (Like what Rachael says at the end of Batman Begins).Blackace said:
MisterHero
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IMO Fake Bruce is a dumb concept no matter the medium. Bruce's humanity is the whole reason Batman exists and the whole reason that he doesn't cross the line in fighting crime.Rentahamster said:
I guess from his [the character's] point of view he got caught up in being Batman and emphasizes how messed up he is, but as a fan I think it's a dumb idea.
Powerslave
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Maybe he just becomes Batman when he puts on the suit.
I'm really glad most of you guys loved the movie as much as I did. I actually made 2 videos of me doing some Joker impressions if you guys would like to check them out :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufTCwkg4IDg
Edit: 2nd added!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITuAWYQ3zQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufTCwkg4IDg
Edit: 2nd added!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITuAWYQ3zQ
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Bah fuck it. I'll edit just in case you can't read spoilers or something from where you are.DrBo42 said:
Thought that was damn good, and could imagine the Joker saying all that stuff (with the appropriate lip smacking and the like).
Nifty as hell, if not just a little creepy that you rehearsed this :lol
Solo said:
I caught that too. In fact, I was on that same line of thought when he was talking to Fox in the growl voice. The secret to Bruce Wayne/Batman is that he starts out as Bruce Wayne with Batman as an alter ego. He very quickly becomes Batman, with Bruce Wayne as his alter-ego. At some point, the transformation is a total one.
In my mind, Batman did have an arc in this movie. His arc as others have touched on here, was his realization of how his influence didn't just galvanize Gotham's citizens, but it's criminals as well. It's in this that he realizes (and Rachel points out to him) that he will always have to be Batman. The escalation has happened, and there is no going back.
Bruce's/Batman's arc was third fiddle to the story of Joker's war on the heart and soul of Gotham, and Dent's tragic transformation into Two-Face, but I honestly felt it was there if you were paying attention. I'm not sure if Nolan and co. were prescient enough to keep this in mind for their direction of Bale's performance, but considering the quality of both films and how closely they tried to stay to the core of the mythos, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit.
SpeedingUptoStop
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On that same note, Wayne having the lambo take the hit for the SUV was totally parallel to the tumbler taking the hit for the armored car.BreakyBoy said:
Marty Chinn
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Blackace said:
If you've watched the animated series he does the same thing with Alfred
Prime crotch
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Fake Bruce means his playboy persona, at least that's how I always took it. Although I always love stories about Bats and Sups true personas, is Superman Clark Kent or the other way around etc...MisterHero said:
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Rentahamster said:
I think the point is neither voice is fake, when he dons the costume he becomes a different entity altogether.
hooded pitohui
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ezekial45 said:
Subtitles. Usually only animated movies have the option of dubbing during theatrical release.
SpeedingUptoStop
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TDK's the film they deserve, but not the #1 they need right now.syllogism said:
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
He did the Batman voice to Rachel and to Fox because he was around other people (Dawes) and just in case people would look at the tapes and would hear that indeed it was Bruce Wayne. Duh dudes.
RBelong2Us
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Probably has a lot to do with quite a few top 1000 users being dicks and giving it a 1.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/ratings-top_1000
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/ratings-top_1000
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Powerslave said:
This. End of the fucking discussion!
Skiptastic
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RBelong2Us said:
Sigh, I mean come on people. A one? For this movie? That's fucking ridiculous.
I can see at the very least a five or something, but a one? Retarded.
Zoe said:
Again, I'm not sure Nolan, Bale and co. were prescient enough to actually do this deliberately, but the following explanation fits with a very important theme in the comics:
The personalities are crossing streams. At that point, Bruce is still dominant, and Batman is just something he does. Very quickly that flip-flops, and Batman is who he is, and Bruce is the alter-ego. Bruce Wayne's arc in this movie is his slow and painful acceptance of what he has to, and will inevitably, become. That line he has where he says "I've seen what I have to become to stop men like him" just drives this home.
Edit: Think about it this way. If you had to live a double-life, one where you're acting like a complete douchebag and jetsetting everywhere but everything is empty, and then the part of your life where you do something you really feel is meaningful, you're masked, in costume, and constantly risking your life. Which one do you think is more real? What do you think a person's self-identity will gravitate towards as he does this day after day for years upon years?
Even if they just stumbled on this by accident, I'm ecstatic that this theme is present throughout both movies, and is highlighted ever so slightly in this one. The idea of Batman not being a hero is not a new one, it was just expressed really well for the first time on film. Aside from the camp series w/ Adam West, Batman has always been a tragic figure.
MisterHero
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Bruce.BreakyBoy said:
There is plenty a normal billionaire could do to help society. He throws Harvey a fundraiser and expresses a caring opinion about Gotham's future and yet pretends to be a clod running the company his own family (of scientists and doctors, no less) built. Huh?
Hell if he wanted to fight crime he could probably try to become a legally-qualified detective/lawyer/district attorney or something, use his money to give Gotham PD's resources a top-of-the-line forensics laboratory (much like his Bat-lab in TDK), etc. As a victim of a family slaying, maybe the public would understand his harsh stance on crime.
If he were a police officer he could legally shoot a criminal like the Joker if they were about to blow someone up or if he had killed several police officers previously. Are police officers monsters because they might have to shoot someone from time-to-time? Because they carry guns?
However, the saving grace this movie and others in its genres have is that fantasy can be involved. Batman could just be a giant ego-stroker for Bruce. Having rules and not breaking them just to be right is alright, but since he's crossed many others anyways, it comes off as contradictory.
Batman is the weaker persona.
MisterHero said:
The fact you can make this argument is part and parcel of the whole issue the Batman stories bring up. However, within the framework of that mythos, even if we just limit ourselves to the Nolanverse, your argument has been addressed already.
MisterHero said:
As Bruce he can throw money and influence where he sees fit, and there is evidence that he does so, as you already pointed out. He may be playing up the playboy/clod persona, but that is simply a way to throw cold water on any stray notion that he might have the personality to go crusading by night. As for Wayne Enterprises, he proved himself in one smart move to be a shrewd manipulator when he bought back controlling interest in the company at the end of Batman Begins and handed over the reins to Lucius Fox. Which they don't really emphasize in TDK, but it's quite evident that Fox is doing a great job of steering the company to future profitability just as always has in the original comics.
MisterHero said:
A few points here.
1. Lawyer/DA? What's been shown of his personality doesn't make it seem like that would really fit his persona. Maybe it's just me but...
2. He's only shown a few flashes of this in the Nolanverse, but generally throughout the differing versions of Batman, he has always been the quintessential detective. So, he would probably make a fantastic detective.
3. Yeah, he could probably afford to outfit the GPD with top of the line resources, and the public would almost certainly stand behind his push for such an intiative.
4. Too bad the GPD is extraordinarily corrupt on every level and sure you'd be arming the good guys, but you'd also be arming the bad guys by proxy. Any sort of attempt to bolster the effectiveness of the GPD is nullified by the fact that this corruption is so pervasive.
MisterHero said:
In order, from first sentence to last in the paragraph: True. No. Nope. Again though, just as he would have made a phenomenal detective, he probably would have made a phenomenal cop. However, as I mentioned just above, "the GPD is extraordinarily corrupt on every level".
This is the reason that Gordon is such a pivotal character as well. He is a shining beacon of morality in a throroughly corrupt police force. His arc in Batman Begins was to go from being one of the few truly honest, incorruptible cops on the force to becoming leader of his own unit. As leader of his own unit in TDK, he is shown as a man that is doing the best he can to serve his city with the men he has. In arguments with Dent, it's made obvious that he knows that there is corruption even within his own force, but that he chooses to lead by example and trust in the fundamental good nature of the people who work for him. He chooses to believe that when the chips are down, even those who may have wavered will stand tall. Gordon's tragedy is that he was proven wrong.
MisterHero said:
I would argue that the real strength of the best Batman stories, and I include the two Nolan movies in that classification, is that yes it is fantasy. Batman being able to punch the throttle at just the right moment to intercept the RPG with the tumbler is where you do have to suspend your belief just a little. What keeps the story centered though is the characters, and how within the framework of the universe presented, they act very realistically and do not stray into fantasy. There is no attempt to glorify the heroism of Batman and the plight of Gotham. Much the opposite in fact.
As for the bit about rules and sometimes coming off as contradictory. That's exactly the Joker's point.
MisterHero said:
Bruce/Batman would agree with you. He says as much to Two Face at the end of the film. Harvey Dent's very public fight with the mob and the corruption of the GPD makes him the true hero that Gotham needed. As he says to Two Face, in front of Gordon, "You were the best of us."
MisterHero
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I'm going to start off with this part first since it was the point of my griping (sort of).BreakyBoy said:
I was talking about the differences between Bruce and Batman exclusively for most if not all of my prior post. Other characters are more clearly defined than Batman, and that's why I'm concerned just about him.
But going to other characters, Gordon is right that he does the best can with what he's got. Somehow in TDK I forgot that Gotham PD was plagued with corruption.
The point I'm getting as that if he doesn't want to be hounded by the law, why couldn't he get legal certification to do the work he's doing. There's private investigators. He just has better equipment and resources.
It's clear he's a great detective, because he knows what to do with forensics, and if he needs help he knows to go to Lucius, and Wayne Enterprise money already goes into Batman technology.
I suggested lawyer/DA because Bruce admired Harvey for what he does and he sees Harvey's position as a position of power. If he knew the power the office held I wouldn't doubt too much he might want to take it for himself, someday.
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You're also right about Gotham PD being corrupt on many levels, for some reason I keep forgeting that when I watch TDK.
Well, I guess what I failed to communicate in my last post was that I agree there were different paths Bruce could have taken aside from becoming Batman. That's still kind of the whole point though. He chose to take the mantle and to take things into his own hands. It is this decision that many would argue is the impetus for all the escalation that follows.
If Batman hadn't started taking things into his own hands, Falcone would still be heading the mob. If Falcone hadn't dropped out of the mob scene, there wouldn't have been an escalating war ending with Maroni more or less in charge of a mob coalition. If Batman hadn't forced the mob and their goons to stop operating at night, then maybe the Joker wouldn't have been able to manipulate them into letting "the rabid dog off it's chain". If Joker hadn't been let loose on Gotham by the mob, then maybe Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes would still be alive.
It is the first sentence in that entire chain above ("If Batman hadn't started taking things into his own hands"), that Bruce is visibly dealing with in the scene where Alfred almost, but doesn't quite, give Bruce Rachel's note. It is there that you see him question what it is that he has done, what it is that he has started, and what it is that he must become.
It's the whole god damned point.
If Batman hadn't started taking things into his own hands, Falcone would still be heading the mob. If Falcone hadn't dropped out of the mob scene, there wouldn't have been an escalating war ending with Maroni more or less in charge of a mob coalition. If Batman hadn't forced the mob and their goons to stop operating at night, then maybe the Joker wouldn't have been able to manipulate them into letting "the rabid dog off it's chain". If Joker hadn't been let loose on Gotham by the mob, then maybe Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes would still be alive.
It is the first sentence in that entire chain above ("If Batman hadn't started taking things into his own hands"), that Bruce is visibly dealing with in the scene where Alfred almost, but doesn't quite, give Bruce Rachel's note. It is there that you see him question what it is that he has done, what it is that he has started, and what it is that he must become.
It's the whole god damned point.
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RDJ rocks, but he has to say that cause he's Iron Man.
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