MMaRsu
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Router said:
You are both wrong...
It should have been this :
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=1uKfBcdqb5c
Which is fucking awesome
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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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You are both wrong...
It should have been this :
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=1uKfBcdqb5c
Which is fucking awesome
In the DK, you have vigilantes impersonating Batman, in the next one in the beginning you have Ledger's Joker in Arkham killed off by an even more manic personality who assumes the mantle of the Joker. You sidestep the fact Ledger isn't playing the role and can use the fact that it is a new person to introduce more extreme character elements.
sixteen-bit
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This. Joseph Gordon-Levitt pls.Router said:
DeathbyVolcano
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_dementia said:
Holy shit. I never thought of that. That's an awesome pick.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
:lol No. Even Batman didn't want to see the joker die, you think audiences will accept it?dalyr95 said:
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Harvey is still alive and when the third one comes out, Two-Face comes out in the end and then you are supposed to go, "HOLY SHIT" and then say, "C'mon Nolan, we can't wait for the fourth! Give it to me hard!"
Masked Man
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Router said:
Love love love love love. Totally agree--it manages to encapsulate every nuance of who Batman is.
dalyr95 said:
Or why not introduce Dr. Harleen Quinzel? Have her fall in love with The Joker, only to be manipulated into introducing a little anarchy of her own as Harley Quinn.
I_D
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I still feel like William Fichtner (http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/49/71/0000034971_20061021043533.jpg) will show up again.
He's a pretty high-name actor for such a meaningless role in the Dark Knight.
Not only that, but when Joker says "What doesn't kill you only makes you stranger" (or something similar) it sets up for a new villain down the line.
With Joker done, Two-Face done, Catwoman sucks... there aren't a whole lot of other big-name villains out there.
Fichtner might be one of them.
He's a pretty high-name actor for such a meaningless role in the Dark Knight.
Not only that, but when Joker says "What doesn't kill you only makes you stranger" (or something similar) it sets up for a new villain down the line.
With Joker done, Two-Face done, Catwoman sucks... there aren't a whole lot of other big-name villains out there.
Fichtner might be one of them.
I finally watched the film. Quite good, but the end was a bit inconsistent. The scenes with the two ships weren't well developed. Why didn't they try to find the explosives in the ships? Why do they believe Joker when he says that the detonator would make the other ship explode? I would have thought that the Joker could be lying, and the detonator would make my ship explode instead. Also, first Batman put a great deal of confidence in the people trusting them in not blowing up the ships, but latter he thinks that he needs to babysit them hiding that Dent killed several persons. It doesn't seem very consistent.
Immortal_Daemon said:
That was the point.
As far as villains for the next movie goes, I'm not sure I want the Joker back. That's not to say nobody else can play the role, but what would be the point of bringing him back? He pretty much did and said everything he could in TDK. Personally, I think the Riddler would make an interesting villain, so long as they stay away from the Gorshin/Carrey portrayal. They could either characterize him as a Zodiac killer-type character or like Hannibal Lecter, giving clues from behind bars about the identity of some other person threatening the city.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Man, every day that I exist and remember that Heath Ledger will not be around to be in the next movie, I become extremely sad.
I do kind of think that perhaps recasting him wouldn't go over particularly well. I'm interested as HELL to see somebody else try to take the reins and bring their own vision, but I don't think it would jive very well continuity-wise, and it might be seen as a bit disrespectful to Ledger's memory by some people. I also can't help but think that a lot of actors probably wouldn't WANT the role out of respect for Ledger.
I do kind of think that perhaps recasting him wouldn't go over particularly well. I'm interested as HELL to see somebody else try to take the reins and bring their own vision, but I don't think it would jive very well continuity-wise, and it might be seen as a bit disrespectful to Ledger's memory by some people. I also can't help but think that a lot of actors probably wouldn't WANT the role out of respect for Ledger.
There were barrels of oil rigged to the explosives. They were seen. Also, Batman needed to take the fall for several reasons. One, if it's revealed that Harvey killed five people, everyone that was prosecuted by him would be able to go free. Two, the public loved Dent, and morale in Gotham was up and if the public found out their 'White Knight' was a murdering psychopath, there would be no hope for Gotham. And like Batman said, he's not a hero, and the public wasn't that fond of him anyway.Atreides said:
sixteen-bit
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and if Batman becomes a villain, no more vigilantes endanger their lives impersonating him.Guzim said:
Patrick Bateman
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_dementia said:
:O
Well but play before look, right?
Don't know if it's be posted already but Eckhart gives his insight on the fate of two-face. Well kinda.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/09/04/aaron-eckhart-reveals-fate-of-harvey-dent-and-two-face/
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/09/04/aaron-eckhart-reveals-fate-of-harvey-dent-and-two-face/
Elfforkusu
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I'll go a step further and say that no villain can really drive a third film now thanks to how well the Joker did with TDK.Amir0x said:
The only way to try to equal the brilliance of TDK is to shift the focus back to Batman/Bruce Wayne again, I think.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Kibbles said:
Yeah but what about the video cameras all around which can be accessed by some wacky hackers or how about the woman who escorts Fox? She doesn't know that Wayne is the Bat. Duh dude.
Amir0x said:
A year ago people were lolz-ing over Ledger's casting, now they are claiming he can enver be topped. The world is a funny place.
Anyways, Ive said it a bunch of times already, but Ill say it again: if Nolan's vision for BB3 involved the Joker, then you recast and move on. The Joker existed long before Ledger, and will exist long after his all too soon demise.
It wouldn't work. For a bunch of us message board types we could maybe accept it, but it would be entirely too distracting to try and stick someone else in there to try and 'act' like Ledger's Joker.
Look at all the bitching for a minor character like Rachel and the switch that took place there.
Recasting is a horrible idea IMO, and I would be surprised if Nolan went that direction. But I guess you never know.
Look at all the bitching for a minor character like Rachel and the switch that took place there.
Recasting is a horrible idea IMO, and I would be surprised if Nolan went that direction. But I guess you never know.
Solo said:
Not me, I thought Ledger was always a capable actor who has obviously shown his chops here. Unlike me, I don't equate someone's look with the ability to pull off a character well. That's what most people were doubting him for... they were putting it down to image. Heath Ledger in his typical role did not seem like a Joker. But I knew that that didn't matter, because he was actor with great potential.
No actor can emulate what he did without falling short. So whatever characterization of Joker that will follow won't be the Joker that was in the second film. It might as well be a different character. Let's put aside the fact that the next Joker's performance won't even approach Heath Ledger's portrayal, the reality is even if you had someone who was capable even if they put forth a good performance it would still be a different character.
Trying to follow in those steps is a recipe for catastrophe in the franchise. I already don't think they should make a third, but that is the ultimate way to ensure whatever the next film is falls horribly short.
Hellsing321
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The only people bitching about the Rachel recast were people who wanted something to fap to while they watched the movie. Maggie's performance was leagues ahead of Katie's.Vyer said:
Solo said:
yeah i don't want nolan making his choices based on how ppl would react to heath's passing.
and like i said before if nolan picks angelina jolie to be catwoman it will only be because she fits the role perfectly.
thats if they even have the catwoman.
i dont know why but it annoys me that ppl are complaining already about the possibility of some actresses playing a character which might not even be in the 3rd movie.
relax ppl...if anything nolan has proven that he knows what he is doing when it comes to casting.
but yes i am salivating over the thought of angelina in leather.
Amir0x said:
This is the important part of your post. Of course they'll fall short if they just try and emulate a previous performance. And what actor with an ounce of talent or self respect would take the role just to try and ape Ledger's performance? I would tend to think whoever was cast would make the role his own. Sure, he would end up as almost a different character altogether, but the Joker is borderline schizo anyways, and hes prettty much a different character in every scene in TDK.
Ninja Scooter
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recasting Joker would be a massive mistake. You don't recast one of the best performances in recent memory, if not ever. It would be unbearable for the actor too. The entire movie would be overshadowed by the comparisons. I can't think of any name actor who would take the job. I think Nolan is too smart to do it.
Soybean said:
but thats the point.
if it was nolans original vision to have the joker in the next movie im all for it.
because in nolan we trust. he has made by large the right decisions even when changing the comic book origins around a bit.
Vyer said:
i think it would be the exact opposite. few message board types would BITCH while the mass majority would enjoy a kick ass performance by whoever is selected to carry on such a iconic role. i think the majority of the ppl would not care. just look at how no one cared that jack nicholson didn't play joker or that someone new was playing the joker.
listen some ppl, like amirox, have already decided whoever becomes the next joker wont be able to live up to heath.
but im going to agree with solo here. the joker character is bigger than heath. it also has enough different incarnations that a newly cast joker does not have to simply mimic heath, but take on a new angle on the joker drawn from the comics to make the character unique again.
again all this only if the joker was originally planned for the 3rd in whatever small or large capacity.
and re casting would not be shocking considering nolan already did it with the rachel character.
DeathbyVolcano
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Well, to be completely honest, I don't think Nolan had a vision for a third movie while making TDK. I mean, look at how Two-Face was resolved.
If and when Nolan makes the third movie, I think he's either gonna do some major Kojima work or start a new story.
If and when Nolan makes the third movie, I think he's either gonna do some major Kojima work or start a new story.
So, nobody wants to see a new Penguin? To me, Penguin would be a natural fit as a prospective mob boss who is like Batman's dark counterpart in the crime world - a man who utilizes powerful gadgets, customized vehicles and public misdirection to accomplish his goals. Penguin uses a lot of firepower too; he could be an arms dealer. Penguin's primary trait is greed, his goal is money and power. In fact, with many of the other criminals in prison or killed by The Joker, I could see an opportunist like Cobblebot strong-arming himself into power yet maintaining a friendly and charming public persona. Penguin's arrogance is always his downfall.
Solo said:
And that's the end of it. Save the crappy Joker's for another Batman franchise. Keep this one cohesive. You can get away with it with Rachel Dawes, who is ultimately a loose and forgettable character which never commanded the screen presence in any serious fashion.
Joker is a black hole now. Heath Ledger's joker IS joker in this franchise.
Ninja Scooter
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effzee said:
for this series it is. You can't make a sequel that is a continuation of the story with a new actor and a whole new take on Joker. It would be stupid.
Ninja Scooter
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Cafeman said:
no.
Christopher
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why the fuck do we even need the joker in the new movie? I wanna see a new villian
SCULLIBUNDO
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Cafeman said:
OMG! You're the guy! You're the rat-fuck sonuvabitch that suggested they re-film Uncle Ben's shooting. I HATE YOU!
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Router said:
Worked for Robert Zemeckis!
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