PS4 only allows official PS4 peripherals or 3rd party things specifically modified to work on PS4. The online is all unified (PS3 people and PS4 people all play together) so it doesn't matter which you play on- it's just the one single playerbase. Dunno about how many people actively play online in Europe though.
The Fighting Game Noob Thread: From Scrub to Master
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PS4 only allows official PS4 peripherals or 3rd party things specifically modified to work on PS4. The online is all unified (PS3 people and PS4 people all play together) so it doesn't matter which you play on- it's just the one single playerbase. Dunno about how many people actively play online in Europe though.
Everyone, quick question about frame data and comboability of moves. Never really looked at frame data before, so just trying to understand it - is it used more to understand priority post a move or can it also be used to determine when two moves can combo? The video posted earlier was very helpful, but not fully getting this question.
For example, in sfiv, ryu's cr LP is +5 on hit, and his cr MP has a 4 frame startup, so the two can combo. I get that...
But guile's cr LP is +4 on hit, yet you can combo another cr LP after it even though it has a 4 frame startup. Why is that? Is the fact that this can combo into itself totally separate from the frame data?
For example, in sfiv, ryu's cr LP is +5 on hit, and his cr MP has a 4 frame startup, so the two can combo. I get that...
But guile's cr LP is +4 on hit, yet you can combo another cr LP after it even though it has a 4 frame startup. Why is that? Is the fact that this can combo into itself totally separate from the frame data?
CountBlack
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Guile's cr.LP is +5 and starts up in 4f. So it's a 2f link.. I think.
That's something I've been confused about as well. If an attack is +5f on hit and the next attack starts up in 5f, then it's a 1f link. If it's +5f and the next attack starts up in 4f it's a 2f link.
or something
You can definitely use frame data to help determine when two moves can combo. In this case, the combos are "links" in that you're connecting a move after the previous attack completely recovers. This is contrasted with "cancels" where recovery frames are cut short with additional input, like in chains, target combos, special cancels, etc.
There's two different schools of how startups are listed in frame data:
1) The startup includes the first active frame of the attack. Meaning, if a move is said to have 5f startup, the first 4 frames are the actual startup and the 5th is when the attack comes out.
2) The startup is purely the startup. Meaning, if a move is said to have 5f startup, all 5 of those are actual startup, and the attack is active on frame 6.
Approach #1 seems to be common for at least 2D fighters, I think. I'm not completely sure why this is used over #2, but I guess not having to add +1 makes it easier for some people.
So to go your specific example: cr.LP is listed as 4f startup. However, this means 3 frames of actual startup and the attack coming out on the 4th frame. So it'll combo after moves that are +4 or higher on hit.
Clear as mud?
You are right on guile's frame data. Seems like I was looking at the AE frame data for cr LP, which was changed for ultra.
Clear as mud?
Yep, very clear. If someone else could confirm that 2D fighter frame data convention is to include the first frame of the actual hit on the startup count, that would be great.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Last I heard, the European console versions don't even run on the latest patch and even a couple of characters are omitted. Playerbase will likely be very limited, if not non-existent.
Arc System Works really likes that side of the world.
GrayFoxPL
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MKX uses skullgirls driver that allows any usb or ps3 controllers. Seems like other developers don't want to use it. Thanks for the info!
Thanks, I won't bother with this game then.
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TacosNSalsa
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Yes at least in street fighter. This is how you can trade hits with someone and still get the counter hit as counter hit only happens on start up frames.
Karsticles
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The logic behind a good action game is identical to a fighting game, minus the psychology at play. You are not wrong.maybe this is a dummy question
but bloodborne/darksouls invasions can be considered like a fighting game?
im a soul calibur player and i have met others soul calibur players that are good in darksouls games
be free of making jokes about my question
Cindi Mayweather
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Do counters and reversals give more damage? The game isn't clear about this.
TacosNSalsa
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Counters do a bit more damage and add frames to their recovery so links that weren't possible before are now possible . Reversals I'm not a 100 percent sure if it does more damage but it does add armor break properties to he move .
Counters do 1.25x(iirc) the damage and give moves more hit stun*, 1f for lights and 3f for mediums/heavies.
Counters do more damage in sfv, at least in the beta
Cindi Mayweather
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In SFIV or V? What are you talking about?
T6 or TTT2? What region?
If you're from Europe, add me: UchihaSasuke_91
I'm not really a DJ player, but maybe I can help in some way.
Ragingnight
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anybody want to play a few games of SF4 Steam before I go to Yakuza land. I want to shake some rust off before SFV gets released
Hello sasuke_91,
Thank you, I will update my profile with region. I have both T6 and TT2. I really need to learn the basics of the game in preparation for Tekken 7 so I am open to whatever I can learn from you
SF4.
Counters have similar properties in SF5(more dmg, more hit stun), but I'm not sure about the exact numbers.
ShinMaruku
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This my friends is how you do a comeback:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RacMpOsImA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QemyrnUnqxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RacMpOsImA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QemyrnUnqxU
West Coast USA is too far away. We won't get a playable connection, sorry :/Hello sasuke_91,
Thank you, I will update my profile with region. I have both T6 and TT2. I really need to learn the basics of the game in preparation for Tekken 7 so I am open to whatever I can learn from you
The PC version is the latest version (of Xrd) worldwide at least. Still comes with all the DLC as well.
On that note: just got the World Tour achievement in the PC version:
[Ranked Match] Defeated a higher ranked opponent.
Only took me like 50 losses in a row, because you need to be at least rank 11 and beat someone 3 ranks above you, and the only people already at that rank are the best players who double-dipped and already know the game through and through.
To be fair only playing high level opponents felt like a speed course on the game mechanics.
CountBlack
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Who are some good JP Sin players? Can someone link me to their vids?
I only know of Dogura
I only know of Dogura
http://www.keeponrock.in//match/search_form#content
Select Sin and a ton of JP match videos will come up, including the names of the players.
Have fun hurting your eyes from all the 360p footage
Select Sin and a ton of JP match videos will come up, including the names of the players.
Have fun hurting your eyes from all the 360p footage
CountBlack
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http://www.keeponrock.in//match/search_form#content
Select Sin and a ton of JP match videos will come up, including the names of the players.
Have fun hurting your eyes from all the 360p footage
whew thanks
Battle Fantasia? This one? I suppose I can see some similarities in the Heat Up thing the trailer mentions to V-Triggers in SFV. I can't imagine this game having an active online community, though. Does it have a good tutorial, then?
I didn't know there was an SNK Humble Bundle, so no Gatou for me. I've at least heard that name before, though.
You can also check this resource out as well and follow the Twitter channel for the latest news:
http://horibuna.web.fc2.com/GGXrd/index.html
MikeBreezy92
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You pretty much got every thing I was gonna say. To keep yourself from jumping in so much try to be patient. Gief has to come to you. So let him.
So which game T6 or TTT2? Because I can help if its TTT2.
The MvC2 effect as I call it.
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zedreamcast
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Hey does anyone with a powrline adapter know if having a house with older wiring will affect anything at all, or if the powerline will affect any other connections in my house, such as the rest of my famalies on wireless
At my place, which is fairly old, most outlets worked, while a few didn't. No wireless connections were affected
Marvel
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Took gootecks' advice, to learn matchups I struggle with I'm using those characters. First up was Blanka.
Great evening, quickly went into the lab and then up against real folks. Started out at 650pp, now 1400. Not many (like myself) knew wtf to do. Next will be Gief, Ibuki and Juri, those 3 I have problems with.
Great evening, quickly went into the lab and then up against real folks. Started out at 650pp, now 1400. Not many (like myself) knew wtf to do. Next will be Gief, Ibuki and Juri, those 3 I have problems with.
CountBlack
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Finally getting some wins on XRD
then I got mortal countered
then I got knocked down by Millia
then I got mortal countered
then I got knocked down by Millia
Cindi Mayweather
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One good about that is that you find holes in that character and now find a way to defend against them.
zedreamcast
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So i really need advice on how to improve my game, mainly through watching old replays. I dont know what i should be looking for.
Marvel
could never
Cindi Mayweather
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Post them here.
CountBlack
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Some Sin Progress
Got lucky in the first match then learned that I can't block against Millia
I still can't get a reversal out on wakeup to save my life, so it's pretty much just free pressure when I'm knocked down. Each time I fail to get the reversal it's just more counter hits. much fun
Got lucky in the first match then learned that I can't block against Millia
and probably will never be able too tbh
I still can't get a reversal out on wakeup to save my life, so it's pretty much just free pressure when I'm knocked down. Each time I fail to get the reversal it's just more counter hits. much fun
NoctisVsStar
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Blockin' against Millia online ayyyy
So I was playing e ryu and like every version of mk is just too good lol, just getting in there from so long feels so good but I don't see myself using ace kick for anything that isn't wake up. I did use it for a combo to end the game: m.axe, red focus, cr.mk, ex. Tatsu, ultra.
Tbh it was my second time using red focus in a match ever
Tbh it was my second time using red focus in a match ever
You use axe kick for combos, for example: cl. hp, m.axe kick, cr mp, lk tatsu, hp dp
Edit: And EX Axe Kick is a decently fast overhead.
This makoto ate me up trying ex axe kick
The close hp to axe kick is possible right? I'm doing all of his other specials after it but maybe I'm not doing it on time
ShinMaruku
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Time for some world's worst Juri footage. :E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eeFrVrdP34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDz5KpKYemw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eeFrVrdP34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDz5KpKYemw
a backdash could have gotten you the win on rufus, also too much jumps, good on you tho