ShinMaruku
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Would the back dash have gotten me that Rufus win? Never knew..
For when you can influence somebody's buttons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJukrwrmjA
Note every high counter throw and their life bars.
The Fighting Game Noob Thread: From Scrub to Master
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Would the back dash have gotten me that Rufus win? Never knew..
For when you can influence somebody's buttons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJukrwrmjA
Note every high counter throw and their life bars.
You lost against the thought of not being able to block Millia's mix-ups, not the actual mix-ups, b. ;p
She only got you into one proper oki set up(the one in the corner) and you ate the disc clean without her even trying to mix you up(assuming you tried to jump out of it).
Few things about Millia...
- Don't respect mid screen disc unless it was after canceling 2D directly without a roll or it's a YRC disc, otherwise, it's not meety, and she can't hit you meety, you can jump, backdash or even attack before the disc hits. Don't give her a free mix-up mid screen.
- Millia's frame traps are a bit hard to do, and most online Millias don't use them outside the roll(see the next point), feel free to try and mash your way out of her block strings. Don't respect them unless they show that they can punish you for it.
- Her roll mix up is not much of a mix up. Roll > spear comes out really fast so you can't even jump out of it, it's a solid frame trap and the only thing you need to respect out of the roll. She don't have a low attack from the roll so you should never get hit by roll > dust. Basically, delayed jump or delayed attack deal with all of Millia's roll options. Unless she YRC. Roll > roll grab should never get you because you shouldn't be staying still for that long.
- Corner disc oki is what you should fear, probably need to save your burst for when she get you in the corner. Jumping or back dashing doesn't work here.
- Millias love to air-dash in a lot, especially at the end of block strings or air recovery, be ready with your anti air-dash anti-airs, if she's dashing after a block string, you probably can attack her before she throw out the pin.
- Millia will jump around trying to find proper spacing to use the pin, basically, when she's in the air, you never want to be in the pin's line of fire. Jump back, back dash or do whatever. Don't give her a free chance to get with the pin.
ShinMaruku
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I knew I did bad so give it to me
Worst Cammy in da world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOCmORJkDCU
Worst Cammy in da world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOCmORJkDCU
-Pyromaniac-
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surprisingly not bad at all given the difference in rank. You kept falling for his wakeup moves. At first I thought you were baiting it out but then you kept getting hit lol. Also you didn't punish as much as you could have at times. There's more I could say but start there
Definitely don't go for the hail mary critical art, figure out a way to integrate it into a simple combo like he did to you right after.
CountBlack
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Thanks for the help.
Most of the time when I wasn't blocking on wake up was because I was trying to do a wakeup reversal 623S but couldn't get it out since the reversal window is so tiny. I really gotta get the timing down.. seems so unnecessarily hard :/
Here's another match of me against the same Sol/Millia players
You should try to use LKs to hitconfirm more on jump ins. Her st. LP can whiff sometimes so LK is a better option. Also when you did close st. HK into super you should've used the MK version since she does it a lot closer. You might already know that though. Challenging with the jp. MP juggle would've helped too.
zedreamcast
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I would if i could upload stuff but my wifis down, i have one video from recently but its a win. Although im only proud of the read at the end of round 1 and the kara demon scrubby evil ryu is me
Edit: a problem ive been having with Evil Ryu is that most of the time when i go for c.mkxxfireball i get axe kick instead of fireball, cause of negative edge.
Cindi Mayweather
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ShinMaruku
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TacosNSalsa
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I main E.Ryu.Close hp will combo with lk/mk/ex axe kick but not hk axe kick. Hp. Into ex ax kick is an easy way to get a hard knock down at the cost of a meter so you have to decide if its worth it or not. The Makato was eating you up because ex axe kick is slow ...it's 21 frame start up and you flash yellow to boot so just doing it raw will get you hurt . It a not even a good block string as I've. wen able to demon people between hp ex axe kick before
Try holding down the mk until after the fireball comes out. So like this
d - press MK and hold down - df - f - punch - release mk
I throw ex axe kicks in blockstrings from time to time to catch people off guard, it's the online special.
Yes, you can take off ~40% off of most characters health pools without even using meter with that.
Karsticles
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Jump about 1/10 as you do right now.
TacosNSalsa
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These are his links after a mk axe kick ..it's the only one you can combo after with out FADC. Lots o one and 2 frame links..
Grrrr....*shakes fist *
Keep in mind some of those links are character specific.
That works surprisingly often.
Edit: A less fraudulent would be kara-throwing after ending a blockstring with mk axe kick.
TacosNSalsa
Member
They are? I've never noticed...maybe it's one of the standing ones , I never do those..
I have to try the kara follow up..sounds ditry!
Close MK works on Abel, Seth and Poison iirc. On Abel you can also do mk axe kick, cr. mp, st. mp(or another cr. mp if you wanna sweep him after a tatsu).
I like this thread. It brings hope that more people will pick up anime airdashers. I don't mind being a mentor for two people: Mainly for Blazblue and Persona. I have enough experience either playing as or playing against the cast for both games to know what their gameplan is. I'm up in Canada. Ontario specifically so if anyone wants to hit me up and play some rounds for critique I'm up for it. I also have a mic too. My PSN is remapthesoul or you can PM me as well. Hope to see you guys out there.
ShinMaruku
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Doing a quick stream on how to break down some character move sets in DOA and advanced movement options in DOA5:
www.twitch/tv/shinmaruku
www.twitch/tv/shinmaruku
IronLich
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This is a good idea for a thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQgEl_8tiJM
A couple of my Karin matches in the SFV Beta. I have plenty, but I'm mostly here for the Karin mirror at the end. I know there's many places where I screwed up, like my love of Ressen, but it was a good fight. Just wanted to see what GAF sees from that loss.
I do mostly play MKX at a so-so level on PS4, so if people want a D'vorah/Kitana player to fight, I'll try and find the time. PSN: RADRAD1985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQgEl_8tiJM
A couple of my Karin matches in the SFV Beta. I have plenty, but I'm mostly here for the Karin mirror at the end. I know there's many places where I screwed up, like my love of Ressen, but it was a good fight. Just wanted to see what GAF sees from that loss.
I do mostly play MKX at a so-so level on PS4, so if people want a D'vorah/Kitana player to fight, I'll try and find the time. PSN: RADRAD1985
zedreamcast
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Ill have to go into training mode and get used to that then cause its been annoying me whenever im doing my most basic combo and i get axe kick instead. I fought a t hawk once and it threw me right into a 360 lol
Cindi Mayweather
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What are things every new Blaz Blue player should know? I didn't know what a meaty was or about different invincibility properties in SF until over 100 hours in when someone just decided to tell me.
I don't want another 100 hour surprise.
I don't want another 100 hour surprise.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
THIS big time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SexC7b7-ELQ
Also how the ground techs work.
Also if you didn't already know hold a button to tech right away no need to keep pressing
zedreamcast
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So any tips on my game?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
This is still very early tao, but some things to start with and point out about Kag
When you are coming down from the air stick with j.B
Once you score a knockdown keep pressure on don't back up if you are worried about reversals just block and punish *if they cancel block the fallow up but one of his leaves him air borne so in some cases you might be able to squeeze out a 6P but don't push your luck*
Use your overhead a bit more once you are close and off a knockdown. You can cancel it into her air cat kicks move and keep pressure going.
Kagura in general has a lot of wide sweeping moves so be careful not to get clipped by them but at the same time he is pretty slow once you are in close the only things you really need to watch out for are his super and DP. So keep on top of him once you get in as much as possible.
Anne can give much better Tao advice for starting from scratch than me though
They main the character!
Cindi Mayweather
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Match start: quite a risk dashing in on Sagat like that at match start! You have balls!
Work on your anti-air. He whiffs Uppercuts a lot and jumps in when you could just dragon punch or st HK. instead you always go for a sweep.
Use you sweep when you KNOW it'll sweep. Don't whiff it. It's high in recovery and will get you fucked.
0:40 - more fireball pressure. He had two bars, and you could bait him with the fb's to use up his bars. As E. Ryu you also have the upper hand because you can shoot out red fb's without meter.
There's an entire 10 seconds between round 2 start before a hadouken is thrown. When you're that far away, and the opponent is doing random kicks like that, hadouken their ass.
1:30 - 1:35 - three jump ins within five seconds. Far too many, especially on Sagat who has a knee and an uppercut.
Against Sagat you should be using Ultra I. In round 2 he throws out Tiger's and you've got Ultra but not the right Ultra. If you had U1, you could shoot it out as a punish when he shoots his fb. Big tip: when picking characters, wait on the ultra screen until they pick their character, that way you can choose your Ultra strategically.
1:42 - Random tatsu. As you can see, that gets you wrecked.
You dropped the fireball fight for some reason, despite having meter and despite Sagat's life lead, you still went in on close quarters when you should have played it far away and beat out his fireball's.
When you're in the negative life-wise, you have zero reason to play risk and get in your opponent's face unless that is how that character is played. Even then, you should use caution.
1:50 - Good sweep read.
1:57 - Good block string onslaught. Now would have been the time for FIREBALLS to push that dude back in the corner where he BELONGS.
1:58 - Instead, you back off despite having the offensive advantage.
2:00 - Over reliance on cr HK. cr MK should be your go to. It's your BREAD AND BUTTER. Sweeps only for punishes that need sweeping or for mind games.
Your biggest weakness, besides the sweeps is the lack of fireball game, even against a fireball character.
Like I said earlier in the thread, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2emvRGMLE
Rules for throwing out fireballs:
1. Only one fireball per screen per character.
2. You can buffer or dial in a fb input the second an fb comes out and press punch when it lands or misses.
3. You can shoot out an FB the SECOND your first FB lands. You can do this to apply pressure.
In the Kaizen Master video linked above, watch at 0:18 - See what he's doing? That fast FB after another? That's what you should be doing against Sagat. Burn that nigga DOWN with that shit. Mix it up with a regular single hadouken to keep him guessing. Shoot it out at different speeds. Shoot it out fast with High FB, and then when he's comfortable, shoot out a slow FB, and if he jumps, he may get hit because the timing threw him off. Then push into his space. Keep throwing em out. Mix in some ex fb's. Take another one of Sagat's eyes.
You are ignoring one of E. Ryu's biggest positives and strategy assets by ignoring a solid fireball game foundation.
ShinMaruku
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Ok DOA5 LR movement recap with advanced movement characters:
www.twitch.tv/shinmaruku
www.twitch.tv/shinmaruku
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Also, Zed, this is REQUIRED viewing. This will open the game up for you. This is more advanced Street Fighter but I think you're ready. You just need to get your fireball game up to par, but this will help in the mean time to make your fireballs more DANGEROUS, Michael Jackson style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQCan5oo90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQCan5oo90
stn
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Snacks the sober sea lion
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Those first 3 (or at least Bison and Balrog) are considered something of a difficulty wall. They don't have strong mixups, but they're all safe on block and have strong pokes/ anti-air. For Bison, you need to stuff him with long-lasting normals. Far s.mp or c.mp with Ryu are both decent, though Evil Ryu's normals far outclass Ryu's for stuffing Bison. When he gets close, block low and watch for grabs. Bison doesn't have any overheads without meter (I think EX scissor kick is), but he has a fast walk speed so always be ready for a grab. Don't try to walk in on him much in neutral or jump in, they'll just spam far roundhouse. If he does his Bison jump shenanigans, don't try to anti-air unless you can get it on reaction just as he comes down in front of you. Generally you want to walk backwards; the worst that can happen is you block him, or he lands in front of you and is vulnerable for a few frames.
Vega doesn't have particularly strong pressure. You need to get him knocked down, because he has terrible wakeup. Throw fireballs, because he doesn't have much in the way of anti-fireball tools, though one of his EX moves might be able to punish it, so don't be too zealous to throw fireballs if he's sitting and blocking low. Don't be afraid to grab him, his pokes don't lead into strong rewards unless they're an incredibly good player, and his reversal is a charge move.
Balrog is similar to Bison in ways. Lots of safe pressure and ridiculous normals. You can actually throw him out of his punches, but that's risky and difficult. Most of his punches can actually be Focused, so don't forget to use Focus Attack, but don't spam it to be too obvious, because his turn punch breaks Focus.
El Fuerte there isn't much to be said about. You get knocked over and you have to guess. It's completely stupid and there honestly isn't a lot more to it than that. I don't know how much I can help with that.
Something to know about Chun-li: That stupid c.mk xx Hazanshu online players LOVE to use is not a blockstring. You can Shoryuken the Hazanshu on reaction. Her only reversal is EX Spinning Bird, so try to bait it out, and when she doesn't have meter, don't show any respect on knockdown because there's nothing she can do. Also, again online players like to use her fireball and then approach. If they start doing that, block the fireball, see if they try to follow it up with an attack, and reversal Shoryuken them. Don't do this every time because they'll learn to bait, but keep it in mind for when they think that crap is going to work over and over again.
It kind of comes down to one of the more prominent/ unfortunate aspects of SFIV, which is abuse knockdowns. All of those characters have mediocre wakeup where even just crossing them up is a serious threat, especially Bison.
How you do the kara demon? Teach me pls.
*More fireballs
*Use MK to bully the opponnent
*After sweep you always try to bait a wakeup attack, other opponents won't fall for that.
*Practice combos, E.Ryu can do much more damage. Try HP, Axe Kick lk, Red Focus, Ultra or atleast HP, Shoryuken HP.
If you make ranked the only thing you play online then it becomes easier and easier to get relaxed.
Will be second nature soon.
Ardenyal
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Yeah. I did a couple days of training mode in between but that only built up the anxiety i get in ranked
Felt nice having a 50% win rate and feeling completely average for a while.
Your sweep is not supposed to be used as a poke, stop doing that. Use cr mk or st mk, preferrably cr. mk.
Practice anti-airing
Jump less.
Work on your punishes, you either did sweep or cr mk > hadouken when you could've at least done cr mk/st. mp > lk tatsu > hp dp
I do forward mk/mp, throw, forward lk~hp. Alternatively you can buffer the first two jabs by doing pressing lp twice while crouching(only one comes out), do forward mk/mp and finish the input quickly.
Cindi Mayweather
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Also Bison is going to want to scissor kick through your fb's. DON'T LET HIM. A few scissor kicks will push you into the corner on block and any Bison player who can charge will do two scissor kicks one after the other for pressure. Mix up your fb's with normals. A good strategy against Bison isn't to start it off with an fb but with a good normal that spaces that fucking asshole dictator like the chump he is. Like say, far HK. Mix it up so that you hadouken when he isn't expecting it or when he's not charged. Remember that Bison can only charge if he's crouching or holding back. He can't charge if he's walking forward. Be cognizant of details like that fighting him. Watch out for his standing HK which is a fantastic beast of a poke. Try hitting it low with a well times cr mk or even sweep. Go to the lab to test move distances against that move.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Try to imitate and record what you see Bison players do with the CPU in training mode and see if anything works.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Yup, like I said in the OP:
I understand where you're coming from in regards to Bison too. Know what I did?
I used to play Poison. I was having trouble with a friend's Bison. So I watched the replays to see what he did. He pushed me into the corner with scissor kick and standing HK. Both are abusable against people not used to the Bison match up. Especially projectile characters.
So I went into the lab and recorded the dummy to use nothing but st HK for thirth minites to find holes in that move and ways to beat it. Then I picked Bison and went to ranked and set it to fight people More Skilled than me so I could see how they defend against his crazy HK.
By the end of the night I had enough data to fight my friend and have a good position towards beating him. I couldn't beat him still, but our fights were no longer so one-sided.
Train the dummy and play as those characters and do what players do that gives you trouble to other players. See how they counter it. This may not necessarily teach you how to blow those characters up but it will teach you to fight against them and what their game plan may be, which is pretty important.
ShinMaruku
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I hope my movement guide in DOA5 was helpful to those who watched. I will also have a write up to them.
Thanks, tbh I've just been watching old e ryu matches and been trying to mimic peopleThese are his links after a mk axe kick ..it's the only one you can combo after with out FADC. Lots o one and 2 frame links..
Grrrr....*shakes fist *
Like I know e ryus game is to gain meter just to use it on a combo but I've been saving it a lot to forward mk, to raging demon people lol. I saw that used a lot in this old evo I think 2014
ShinMaruku
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Luckily he's hard as hell to use.
Sparring partner used to use him only.
Speed and moves beating everything Lisa has even when it's done earlier than his.
ShinMaruku
Member
His gimmicks breaks hers.
I don't think you need to red focus, just do ex tatsu after cr mp.
Holyoneturtle
Member
Cool thread, so I really suck and need someone to help me "git gud". I know my problems are that I don't hit the training room long enough and also mind game is weak. Would like a mentor if any one is nice enought to help. BTW it's for usf4. I am getting sf5 and planning to put some serious time into it when it comes so I don't even know if it's worth taking the time to really learn usf4.