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ZeroX03 said:
Why use Thomas Wayne? It contributes nothing to the story other than "we got an alternate universe Batman!".

Using Robert Queen lets the show explore a pretty major character in Oliver's life that has gone otherwise untouched. The altered timeline could give us Shado, Yao Fei, Moira or whoever else. Plus the really emotional ending for father and son is completely invalidated as we'll never see Bruce. Robert fills the role perfectly, and it contributes to the narrative and characters of both shows.
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That sounds like an awesome alt reality.
ZeroX03 said:
Extended promo.
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One Wells? Two Wells? Ohhh my medication!
 
I just started watching Flash so I this thread. Did not expect AOS being dissed here lol.









Aos >Flash for me =p



Oh I did not watch arrow s3, which esp leads to the crossover again?
 
munchie64 said:
One Wells? Two Wells? Ohhh my medication!
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What I just realized about the confrontation between the Reverse Flash and the cops & Wells is that the Reverse Flash completely ignores the presence of anyone other than Wells. A pre-recorded after image or projection would do that. After that Wells just sits in the background not moving while the Reverse Flash takes over. Could be something in there.
 
Frog-fu said:
Come on, they were objectively fucking awful for the most part. People gave SHIELD a lot of shit for its first 10-11 episodes, but they got their house in order quicker than Arrow and it's now the better show.

As far as comic book shows go, Arrow is just a step above Gotham, and that might not even last that long.

The Flash > Agents of Shield/Agent Cart > Arrow > Gotham
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Haha what?

Episode 14 of Arrow is notably where it got drastically better. If you want to call the post-TWS episodes of AoS where it got drastically better, then that still wasn't until episode 17. Honestly though, the jump in that show's quality really didn't happen until S2. It is just that when TWS happened it went from terrible to decent.

However, At ep 14 is when Arrow went from decent to pretty good, and then ascended to great status in S2. Pre-ep 14 Arrow was still a decent show, finding its footing. AoS pre-17 was just awful. S2 of Arrow was also leagues better than S2 of AoS has been so far, even just taking into account the comparable number of episodes.

There is no universe where S1 of Arrow was "objectively fucking awful". Nor is there a universe where AoS got their shit together faster. Nor is there a universe where AoS is a better show. You have to have some pretty hard Marvel bias to believe that. Even S3 of Arrow, which is a significant step down from S2, is better than AoS.

And I say all of this loving the MCU wholeheartedly (Hell I did/manage the OP of the current MCU community thread), of which AoS is easily the weakest part.
 
TDLink said:
Haha what?

Episode 14 of Arrow is notably where it got drastically better. If you want to call the post-TWS episodes of AoS where it got drastically better, then that still wasn't until episode 17. Honestly though, the jump in that show's quality really didn't happen until S2. It is just that when TWS happened it went from terrible to decent.

However, At ep 14 is when Arrow went from decent to pretty good, and then ascended to great status in S2. Pre-ep 14 Arrow was still a decent show, finding its footing. AoS pre-17 was just awful. S2 of Arrow was also leagues better than S2 of AoS has been so far, even just taking into account the comparable number of episodes.

There is no universe where S1 of Arrow was "objectively fucking awful". Nor is there a universe where AoS got their shit together faster. Nor is there a universe where AoS is a better show. You have to have some pretty hard Marvel bias to believe that. Even S3 of Arrow, which is a significant step down from S2, is better than AoS.

And I say all of this loving the MCU wholeheartedly (Hell I did/manage the OP of the current MCU community thread), of which AoS is easily the weakest part.
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Your episode number argument has merit.

Your S2 vs S2 comparison is shaky ground (will vary mostly due to bias one way or the other).

Your "Nor is there a Universe where AoS is a better show" is going off the rails based on the fact that subjective taste is subjective.

Saying anyone who disagrees with your assessment here has a Marvel bias completely tanks any salient points you may have had before that because not only does it completely disregard subjective taste, it's pot calling the kettle black.


Regardless of all that though.. this is The Flash thread, so we should probably keep it on track rather than derailing further. Tonights ep was solid. I'm not sure if I like where they're going with Iris subplot but finishing out the Firestorm origin was good and the way they did it works well for the show imo. Grodd's actions were a bit much and maybe it's my TV's post processing but the CGI wasn't the greatest for Grodd either.

Also Wells grabbing the General is probably the most short sighted plan ever. Pretty obvious a speedster yanked him from the middle of his command center on base and that just seems like it's perfectly setting up a Military against The Flash storyline which I'm not too fond of.
 
Best. Flash. Episode. Ever.

So much fan service, and Cisco absolutely slayed me tonight.

Firestorm was unreal.

Also: Dat Iris dress. HNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
 
Jest Chillin said:
Your episode number argument has merit.

Your S2 vs S2 comparison is shaky ground (will vary mostly due to bias one way or the other).

Your "Nor is there a Universe where AoS is a better show" is going off the rails based on the fact that subjective taste is subjective.

Saying anyone who disagrees with your assessment here has a Marvel bias completely tanks any salient points you may have had before that because not only does it completely disregard subjective taste, it's pot calling the kettle black.


Regardless of all that though.. this is The Flash thread, so we should probably keep it on track rather than derailing further. Tonights ep was solid. I'm not sure if I like where they're going with Iris subplot but finishing out the Firestorm origin was good and the way they did it works well for the show imo. Grodd's actions were a bit much and maybe it's my TV's post processing but the CGI wasn't the greatest for Grodd either.

Also Wells grabbing the General is probably the most short sighted plan ever. Pretty obvious a speedster yanked him from the middle of his command center on base and that just seems like it's perfectly setting up a Military against The Flash storyline which I'm not too fond of.
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The S2 comparison isn't shaky ground because S2 of Arrow embraced what it was (a fun comic book show) and completely indulged in it after pulling what we'll call the 'Nolan card' and trying to be more "grounded" in S1. It also helped that it had a clear antagonist in Brother Blood and Deathstroke.

S2 of AoS still hasn't completely figured out what it has wanted to be. The improvement in quality comes from them finally developing the characters into something compelling (which also involved adding in a handful of new characters not present in S1) along with a better storyline that incorporates Hydra as an adversary (which gives them more of a clear foe than in Season 1). They are still lacking a clear antagonist for the season though (unless that is supposed to be Skye's dad). In retrospect that point may seem more clear, but it stands that AoS is still less confident in being an enjoyable tv show as an entity separate from its masters (the MCU) than Arrow was at that point (partially because it didn't have that baggage).

On the bias thing, like I said before, I have pretty heavy Marvel bias myself. I love the shit out of the MCU. I'm pumped for the Netflix stuff. I'm enjoying Agent Carter. And I'm enjoying S2 of AoS also. I didn't love Man of Steel and am not particularly excited for the upcoming slate of DC films. People are allowed to think AoS is better than Arrow or the Flash. Those people are just wrong. Wrong opinions can exist. The writing and plotting, action choreography, FX work, cinematography, etc is in general much weaker on AoS than the CW shows. The acting is debatable. As much as I love Marvel, I'm not so blinded to the fact that AoS started way behind the curve compared to this "competition" and still isn't all there while Arrow/The Flash have pretty much nailed it for the last couple of years now.

I agree that Flash is amazing right now in only its first season. Personally I think it's off to a better start than any of the comic book shows. It shows a confidence in itself that the others all lacked. It is sort of cheating though since the team already did S2 of Arrow. I'm excited to see stuff like Grodd, Wells' reveal, and Time Travel happening so quickly in the series. I can't even imagine where this show would go in S3 or S4. And what I (and others in this topic) can imagine for S2 has me pretty damn excited.
 
Guys that was AMAZING.

Probably the most "comicbooky" episode of the show so far. Being able to merge with someone else and become a superpowered fireball is absolutely nuts, and yet I was totally sold on it.

Time travel?! Batshit insane, but we know the show can pull it off.

Loved how we discovered about the connection between Ronnie and Stein after they were separated.

Watching Firestorm merge was just FUCK YES all over the place.
 
Dominican Power said:
Refresh my memory.
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Maddocks said:
it is widely known that it is
Flash - Arrow - Constantine - Gotham - Agents of zzzzz.
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I don't know where you got the voting numbers for everyone who watches every one of those 5 shows but I would suggest a recount. Also I can't take you seriously when you make fun something you're arguing against. It just agitates people, taking away from conversation. Makes it look like you're not out to have one in the first place.
Frog-fu said:
Come on, they were objectively fucking awful for the most part. People gave SHIELD a lot of shit for its first 10-11 episodes, but they got their house in order quicker than Arrow and it's now the better show.
As far as comic book shows go, Arrow is just a step above Gotham, and that might not even last that long.
The Flash > Agents of Shield/Agent Cart > Arrow > Gotham
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I agree with this more... but still not exactly. I'll make my own list one day after sitting down and marathoning some stuff.

Jest Chillin said:
Your episode number argument has merit.
Your S2 vs S2 comparison is shaky ground (will vary mostly due to bias one way or the other).
Your "Nor is there a Universe where AoS is a better show" is going off the rails based on the fact that subjective taste is subjective.
Saying anyone who disagrees with your assessment here has a Marvel bias completely tanks any salient points you may have had before that because not only does it completely disregard subjective taste, it's pot calling the kettle black.
Regardless of all that though.. this is The Flash thread, so we should probably keep it on track rather than derailing further. Tonights ep was solid. I'm not sure if I like where they're going with Iris subplot but finishing out the Firestorm origin was good and the way they did it works well for the show imo. Grodd's actions were a bit much and maybe it's my TV's post processing but the CGI wasn't the greatest for Grodd either.
Also Wells grabbing the General is probably the most short sighted plan ever. Pretty obvious a speedster yanked him from the middle of his command center on base and that just seems like it's perfectly setting up a Military against The Flash storyline which I'm not too fond of.
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Lines like that are the reasons we get "So what's the best superhero show" threads that turn into graveyards because someone feels more strongly about their faction than the other. But hey, I'm here on the sidelines enjoying the comic book golden age.

They kept the scene dark so Grodd is gonna look how he looks but it not being amazing isn't the best sign. I also agree with the Military v. Flash thing. Seems a bit shorthanded of them to set that up so soon. A lot of this is me just worrying about seasons 2 and 3. I know it's said an annoying amount but it's a marathon, not a sprint. Everyone here probably knows what happens when a show uses all of it's best ammo in the first couple of season, and I don't need Flash doing that at an even faster pace. It's not like me to worry so far ahead in the future but they're hitting huge milestones in the shows first season. Probably gonna mull this one over with my friends and I'll have a more refined opinion on the matter.
pulga said:
Best. Flash. Episode. Ever.
Also: Dat Iris dress. HNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Anyone seriously got a screencap? Cause I missed it.
EDIT: Oh... that's what y'all're on about? I mean... I wouldn't even call that a dress. I've seen better dresses by far. Now in the sweater and long sleeve shirt category, that's a winner.
 
Just finished it. A+ episode for me for sure. Loved that shot of Firestorm and Flash speeding off together.

As for Eiling
my guess is Grodd is going to mind control him, thus giving him the soldiers under his command.
 
are you seriously fucking arguing whether its a dress or a long sleeve sweater
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first of all, who cares, and secondly:

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sweaters dont usually act as a tight ass-hugging skirt.
 
pulga said:
are you seriously fucking arguing whether its a dress or a long sleeve sweater [ig]http://i.imgur.com/LhwRz7R.png[/img] first of all, who cares, and secondly:
sweaters dont usually act as a tight ass-hugging skirt.
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No arguing, just saying. And besides, you should have used this picture in the first place.
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TDLink said:
People are allowed to think AoS is better than Arrow or the Flash. Those people are just wrong. Wrong opinions can exist. The writing and plotting, action choreography, FX work, cinematography, etc is in general much weaker on AoS than the CW shows. The acting is debatable.
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Man did you pick a topic to try and play the "wrong opinion" card. Am I allowed to like other shows more than Arrow or Flash? Anyway, I ain't touching that.
 
Constantine ? Seriously ? That show is so bad I couldn't bear watching more than 2 episodes. As for the rest, my ratings for this season go like this:

Flash - Agent Carter - Arrow - AoS - Gotham

And I actually like Gotham, but it just isn't as good as the other shows.
 
FUCK MAN I CAN'T WAIT 1 MONTH FUUUUUUUCK ME THAT PROMO

i can only imagine how good Smallville would be if it was made around now with the flash and with these writers, young superman/flash/green arrow shit man it's the dream
 
carlsojo said:
I hope they upload the episode soon on the CW so I can watch it at work.... can't stand the wait.
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Just a heads up. From my experience, the episode usually goes up between 12-1AM EST which is 4-5 hours after the initial air-time.

I basically wait for it to go up on their site since directv doesn't give us CW in HD and it looks shitty in 4:3 SD.
 
When they were teasing it before the mid season finale, I was not a huge fan of the Firestorm stuff, but the last string of episodes have been the best in the series. I've really enjoyed everything since Pied Piper.

That stinger, and that promo. Can't handle it. Are Flash and Arrow going on break for the next month?! Booooo
 
pulga said:
are you seriously fucking arguing whether its a dress or a long sleeve sweater
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first of all, who cares, and secondly:

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sweaters dont usually act as a tight ass-hugging skirt.
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How can you focus on the outfit when dem yams is right there?

Between Iris and Linda, I'm calling it: Barry Allen is an ass man.
 
I'm still pissed they were separated so early/easily. I mean how often do you get this particular opportunity for good drama? Then again it's the CW.

On another topic, Robbie Amell is the superior Amell. Not even a contest.
 
So good. The final act action scenes always stand out the most, but its important to remember how good some of the other scenes are. Loving Professor Stein and his scene with Barry discussing time travel. There's so many interesting threads going on throughout these episodes, there's not an ounce of fat on them.
 
hmm .. ok i'm REALLY loving this show ..

Is it just me or are the special effects pretty damn good for a TV show ?

LOVED the the "We love you" line at the end before Ronnie/Stein flies away.... someone PLEAASE gif that scene for me.
 
pulga said:
are you seriously fucking arguing whether its a dress or a long sleeve sweater
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first of all, who cares, and secondly:

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sweaters dont usually act as a tight ass-hugging skirt.
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This picture is the best argument for why her character is not a waste of screen time and is essential...
Comparing her to Laurel... Laurel who?
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT ..

how the fuck is Wells the Yellow flash, and be able to beat the shit out of himself in an earlier episode .
. oh man ... the wait for the plot twists is getting unbearable.
 
If gifs are still being made, can I ask for one of Barry running to create the vortex so his suit doesn't freeze up. I love the glimpses we get of him when he runs like that.
 
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