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Here is an idea.

In next episode Flash manages to barely save Cisco who only gets wounded, but residual vibration from Reverse Flash's hand transforms his body and Cisco becomes what he was always meant to be....

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That would be great.
If they follow the comics route with Vibe he would be Barry's biggest ally against Wells/Thawne, he can rip a speedster right out of the speed force.
 
Anyone else find it hilarious that Iris' reporter buddy called her out on the weird brother/friend dynamic?



Time will probably make Barry's life even shittier.
Next episode is called
Rogue Time
. Which has an awesome double meaning now.

Would be funny if in the next episode, Mardon is defeated and captured really fast before the title card because Barry already knows what'll happen
 
Oh my lord what a great episode. It's amazing how every episode in this show is better than the next and the series has progressed in a perfect way. Can't wait for next week

That Cisco scene was phenomenal
 
Holy shit that episode was amazing. Going back and rewatching some now.

In the beginning when Wells and Cisco are watching the Buster Keaton movie, Cicsco asks why he hasn't ever seen it before, and Well says, "Must have been before my time."

I wonder if we go back and watch the last 14 episodes over again, how many other hints will we find. This is amazing.
 
Man that scene between Wells is one of the most intense, emotional scene I've seen in a while.

Cisco tears/fear were so spot on and Wells lines were delivered perfectly, especially the last line before he dealt the fatality. Like damn! That's a good ass line!

God I hope we do see Vibe, I think deep down Cisco always has been inspired by Barry and wishes he could do even more to help him. Having powers of his own would be awesome.
 
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carlos sold that scene. Mother of sweet gods.

My eyes got watery, I'm not gonna lie.
 
That episode was so amazing, but for every question they answered, it only raised 10 more, particularly in regards to
the specifics of the time travel.
I'm really excited for next week and hopefully they'll clear up some of these things.
 
One of the best episodes. Started out a bit slow, I was worried it was gonna be one of those villain of the week episodes again... then shit started going down. Wow.
 
I was just thinking how fucked up it would be if time travel here means alternate time lines and now the one that the Barry left is a timeline where Central City is about to get hit by a tsunami, Cisco is dead, and the Flash vanished
 
When Barry first saw himself early in the episode and went to wells, how come time travel wasn't suggested as the cause? They didn't mention time travel at all during this episode until it actually happened at the end.

Wells knows, he just doesn't wasn't Barry to.
 
Wow, this episode is just so perfect in many way. Barry & Iris relationship, Cisco tear jerker, Reverse-Flash Reveal.

Never have I been so satisfied by a superhero show on tv.
 
Ok holy shit, just saw a 2 minute trailer on ew basically showing the rest of the season and upcoming characters (wtf is Ray?)

Basically,
Mark Hamill seems to be playing the joker or something similar too
Spoilerified my answers, hope they are good enough for the masses here..

Ray
is the ATOM. Think ANTMAN, only better. But that is a horrible analogy. At least, that's how he is in the comics. So far in the last episode of Arrow,
it shows Ray finishing the suit and flying at the very end. Nothing size reduction yet.
The size modification has been talked about I think in dialogue between Ray and Felicity, ircc, and should be introduced soon. I think I even saw a pic of him where he just looked small..

Mark Hamil
is the Trickster! A con man genius that can create all sorts of weaponry and gadgets disguised as toys. Such as exploding teddy bears, razor sharp yo yos, rocket shoes, etc..
 
I was just thinking how fucked up it would be if time travel here means alternate time lines and now the one that the Barry left is a timeline where Central City is about to get hit by a tsunami, Cisco is dead, and the Flash vanished
There are two Flashes now, I think
in the season-reel trailer, you can see them fighting each other.
 
I think I would prefer it if Cisco and Caitlin already have their powers, but are somehow actively being suppressed by Wells.

Would save us from hokey origins.
 
I'm beyond sick of the Barry/Iris will they won't they crap but that was a great episode. Made up for a pretty meh showing from Shield last night. I don't think I've seen a comic book adaptation embrace the comic feel so well since the original Raimi Spider-Man movie.
 
I think I would prefer it if Cisco and Caitlin already have their powers, but are somehow actively being suppressed by Wells.

Would save us from hokey origins.

The stage is set ready and riped for Caitlin to snap and turn full villain at this point. Rollercoaster trip with Raymond and betrayed by Wells, I would be totally ok if she get frosty and out for revenge at all cost.
 
Ok holy shit, just saw a 2 minute trailer on ew basically showing the rest of the season and upcoming characters (wtf is Ray?)

Basically,
Wells still gets revealed and has it out for Barry, and Eddies Thawne is on his way to be a villain
Cisco seems to be alive, meets the black widow
Mark Hamill seems to be playing the joker or something similar too

The sad/funny thing about the trailers for The Flash and Arrow is it doesn't show the rest of the season just next 3-4 episodes... think about that
 
Ok holy shit, just saw a 2 minute trailer on ew basically showing the rest of the season and upcoming characters (wtf is Ray?)

Basically,
Wells still gets revealed and has it out for Barry, and Eddies Thawne is on his way to be a villain
Cisco seems to be alive, meets the black widow
Mark Hamill seems to be playing the joker or something similar too

Wrong universe, bruh
 
I'm surprised more people weren't put off by some of the lazier bits of writing. I guess the good outweighs the bad by a large margin.
 
I'm surprised more people weren't put off by some of the lazier bits of writing. I guess the good outweighs the bad by a large margin.

I was. But with Arrow and Flash, you have to sort of accept the occasional shit writing in order to experience some of their higher concept efforts.
 
WARNING Nitpick of a comic book show WARNING

I went back and re-watched the scene where the Reverse Flash steals the Tachyon device.

While his explanation to Cisco about speed-clones is a pretty convincing visual demonstration, as I said back when the episode aired, he would still have to be moving back and forth between the platform and his fight outside with Barry (since Joe and Eddie were still conscious in the room with Wells), while changing costumes, while kicking Barry's ass, moving too fast for even Barry's senses to notice - even when he gets knocked off his feet by Firestorm. Granted, since his costume can hide in his ring and has been shown to instaform around a mannequin it kind of handwaves the changing clothes point, but it's still hard to wrap your head around the rest. Reminds me of the Aizen-no-you-actually-stabbed-Hinamori scene where Ichigo was watching.

The stage is set ready and riped for Caitlin to snap and turn full villain at this point. Rollercoaster trip with Raymond and betrayed by Wells, I would be totally ok if she get frosty and out for revenge at all cost.

Frost powers would actually make her a pretty natural foil for both Flash and RF. Wells would fear her. Kind of makes you wonder why he was really pissed that Cisco made a cold gun without telling him...
 
I was. But with Arrow and Flash, you have to sort of accept the occasional shit writing in order to experience some of their higher concept efforts.

I think Flash and Shield offer an interesting dichotomy between their approaches. I've often seen people say that DC shows have the benefit of not being tied down to a larger continuity which frees them up to do almost whatever they want without resorting to bottom of the barrel villains. While that's true, Marvel's interlocking continuity forces them to try and do every adapted character they use justice. They can't use a character in the show and then do a different version elsewhere. That unfortunately limits their access to source material quite a bit though, so it's a trade off. The actual writing in Shield is much tighter than either Arrow or Flash but it's also not nearly as balls to the wall crazy with its use of well known comicbook characters.
 
WARNING Nitpick of a comic book show WARNING

I went back and re-watched the scene where the Reverse Flash steals the Tachyon device.

While his explanation to Cisco about speed-clones is a pretty convincing visual demonstration, as I said back when the episode aired, he would still have to be moving back and forth between the platform and his fight outside with Barry (since Joe and Eddie were still conscious in the room with Wells), while changing costumes, while kicking Barry's ass, moving too fast for even Barry's senses to notice - even when he gets knocked off his feet by Firestorm. Granted, since his costume can hide in his ring and has been shown to instaform around a mannequin it kind of handwaves the changing clothes point, but it's still hard to wrap your head around the rest. Reminds me of the Aizen-no-you-actually-stabbed-Hinamori scene where Ichigo was watching.



Frost powers would actually make her a pretty natural foil for both Flash and RF. Wells would fear her. Kind of makes you wonder why he was really pissed that Cisco made a cold gun without telling him...
I just noticed how the Wells/afterimage in the containment field isn't moving while RF is taking out the police

But yeah it gets kind of crazy when you have RF and Barry crashing through the skylight and fighting in midair while presumably Wells is also still hurt inside

But hey...
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Wait, the scene with Carlos crying wasn't scripted?

Give the man an emmy.

"You're smart Cisco...*smirks*...but not that smart." has to be the best comic book villain line reading in quite some time.

The desperate, "I...I can help you!" bargaining was just amazing, the sense of dread was palpable.
 
I just noticed how the Wells/afterimage in the containment field isn't moving while RF is taking out the police

But yeah it gets kind of crazy when you have RF and Barry crashing through the skylight and fighting in midair while presumably Wells is also still hurt inside

But hey...
P8tJImV.gif

I thought the reverse flash on the platform was a recording because the barrier was at 100 percent. Then the reverse flash and wells outside the platform was pulling off the trickery. Wells had plenty of time to setup the trick being he knew what was coming.
 
The barrier stuff doesn't make any sense as far as I can tell. Cisco is convinced nothing went wrong with the containment field and he was right...but Wells somehow moved in between them. There's also the question of why they detected an energy flux if the RF in the containment field was a fake projection. They also said the containment field would potentially rip apart whatever was inside and assumed RF would be able to handle it due to his powers but then completely forget about Wells going inside the field without dying.
 
WARNING Nitpick of a comic book show WARNING

I went back and re-watched the scene where the Reverse Flash steals the Tachyon device.

While his explanation to Cisco about speed-clones is a pretty convincing visual demonstration, as I said back when the episode aired, he would still have to be moving back and forth between the platform and his fight outside with Barry (since Joe and Eddie were still conscious in the room with Wells), while changing costumes, while kicking Barry's ass, moving too fast for even Barry's senses to notice - even when he gets knocked off his feet by Firestorm. Granted, since his costume can hide in his ring and has been shown to instaform around a mannequin it kind of handwaves the changing clothes point, but it's still hard to wrap your head around the rest. Reminds me of the Aizen-no-you-actually-stabbed-Hinamori scene where Ichigo was watching.



Frost powers would actually make her a pretty natural foil for both Flash and RF. Wells would fear her. Kind of makes you wonder why he was really pissed that Cisco made a cold gun without telling him...

It was clearly a hologram or something like that. Because why should the speed-clone be still around weeks later? It makes no sense
 
WARNING Nitpick of a comic book show WARNING

I went back and re-watched the scene where the Reverse Flash steals the Tachyon device.

While his explanation to Cisco about speed-clones is a pretty convincing visual demonstration, as I said back when the episode aired, he would still have to be moving back and forth between the platform and his fight outside with Barry (since Joe and Eddie were still conscious in the room with Wells), while changing costumes, while kicking Barry's ass, moving too fast for even Barry's senses to notice - even when he gets knocked off his feet by Firestorm. Granted, since his costume can hide in his ring and has been shown to instaform around a mannequin it kind of handwaves the changing clothes point, but it's still hard to wrap your head around the rest. Reminds me of the Aizen-no-you-actually-stabbed-Hinamori scene where Ichigo was watching.

We never actually see anyone interact with Wells once he is inside the platform, so it is conceivable that he had the hologram programmed to take over for him and shoo away anyone who gets close with an "I'm fine, go check on the whole squad of cops that just got murdered."

The only time he'd really need the two places at once trick is during the beating he gives himself as that would be hard to choreograph with the hologram.
 
Since RF/Wells can't time travel (as we know he's losing power) and needs Barry's speed to do it and now Barry has time traveled that means Barry is now faster than him.

And obviously all the death/broken bones/iris stuff etc in this episode are going to be erased due to time travelness.

Only real question is will RF/Wells still be revealed?
 
Since RF/Wells can't time travel (as we know he's losing power) and needs Barry's speed to do it and now Barry has time traveled that means Barry is now faster than him.

And obviously all the death/broken bones/iris stuff etc in this episode are going to be erased due to time travelness.

Only real question is will RF/Wells still be revealed?

I think later on in the season maybe the finale. Remember Mason still told Barry that he has a secret file on Wells. Right now its just a matter of time before Barry finds out.
 
I'm surprised more people weren't put off by some of the lazier bits of writing. I guess the good outweighs the bad by a large margin.

I was. But with Arrow and Flash, you have to sort of accept the occasional shit writing in order to experience some of their higher concept efforts.

The good should always outweigh the bad. I would rather watch something that tries it's hardest to give me an awesome experience at the cost of a few bits of writing here and there, as opposed to something that tries to fix every little detail and ends up giving an ok, though completely solid, product.

Like if there's choice between making the good stuff even better, or leaving it where it is and fixing the bad stuff, then personally I hope the choice made is to make the good stuff even better. Make it amazing, and then if there's time, fix what bad stuff you can. That's how I see it. So yeah there were a couple moments that made me go "but why tho?" In the end, it paid off, so none of that ends up bothering me.
 
Episode has some epic, 10/10 moments, but was overall drug down quite a bit by the awkward pacing and that AWFUL romance subplot. It's like the writers thought "fuck it, nothing is gonna stick anyway so let's just go with it."
 
Man, that line from Wells; you've been dead to me.

That was some cold ass shit. And to think they were just watching a movie in the beginning.
 
The good should always outweigh the bad. I would rather watch something that tries it's hardest to give me an awesome experience at the cost of a few bits of writing here and there, as opposed to something that tries to fix every little detail and ends up giving an ok, though completely solid, product.

Like if there's choice between making the good stuff even better, or leaving it where it is and fixing the bad stuff, then personally I hope the choice made is to make the good stuff even better. Make it amazing, and then if there's time, fix what bad stuff you can. That's how I see it. So yeah there were a couple moments that made me go "but why tho?" In the end, it paid off, so none of that ends up bothering me.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. The only thing with me though is that as the quality climbs, the shortcomings become more apparent and aggravating. This is a good show, even great at times, but it still has yet to fulfill its true potential yet. Inconsistencies and plot holes really prevent me from enjoying the show as much as everyone else.
 
The death of Cisco. Oh man. It weighed on me so heavily. The moments before it happened as he broke down crying, begging for his life. Such great acting.

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