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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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BLOODED_hands
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LoT doesn't have to worry about the Speed Force though. Barry has been time travelling while in the Speed Force. The way things are impacted are different because...
SPEED FORCE
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Flash (and Supergirl, which doesn't matter at the moment) are roughly 3 months behind Arrow (and possibly Legends?).
Reverse Flash dropped Barry off at Joe's house at the same time he left at the end of season 2.
It's been explained that speedsters are like taking a sledgehammer to time and the Legends/Time Masters are like using a scalpel.
Reverse Flash dropped Barry off at Joe's house at the same time he left at the end of season 2.
It's been explained that speedsters are like taking a sledgehammer to time and the Legends/Time Masters are like using a scalpel.
You are correct. Arrow (so far) is the only show at our current time in 2016.
Da-Kid
Member
This Season is off to a better start than Season one and two. What are you not feeling?
EDIT: I don't know if I just haven't noticed.. but Flash doesn't seem to get budget cuts each season like Arrow. I'd argue it gets increased actually. Though, I have no proof of either.
I think I'm just bored of the different timelines/worlds.
But that's since it's usually all arbitrary, it looks like they are sticking with it here so maybe it will become more interesting. It can bounce back for sure. I think my general feeling for the later half of the second season is carrying over.
Barry's new lab partner is a nice addition so far.
Da-Kid
Member
Oh, I feel you. I think this season isn't going to focus of that anymore other than seeing Wells and Jessie. I think these two episodes were just fixing what Season 2 ended on and that's it.
We're already making progress with the main antagonist not being a Speedster.
Sad Cisco is pretty much over already.
He beat Wally and Barry once each. That's not bad.
I don't think he did? Barry lived the three months of Flashpoint and was returned at an equal time later.
You haven't noticed anything. Budget isn't getting bigger, that's for sure.
serenewarfare
Banned
Jessie Quick
Da-Kid
Member
Well in any case it seems like it at least is staying at the same amount. Season 2 did way more impressive CGI action than 1, and 3 looks like its on the same level, the fighting has seemed better thus far.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I just double checked and it definitely looks like season 2's finale party that Barry left.
I think the Flashpoint months were basically erased.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Yeah, he was dropped back around the same time he left.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not, but I'm with you.
BLOODED_hands
Member
She is very attractive, I'll say that much lol.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Shouldn't Barry also get the memories of a new timeline when he makes one? It happened like that in some other thing I watched or read.
He should eventually get the memories of the current timeline, but it took months for that to happen in the Flashpoint universe, although Thawne did suggest that how fast it happens is related to using speed so possibly it'll happen sooner rather than later.
Wrong character to be excited about.
No, she should be shot in Arrowverse.
panthapanda
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RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
ohhhh
Jorok Goldblade
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How old was that actor? The episode took place in 2046, so Flashpoint having him replace Sara means that he's 31 there. Conner/Diggle jr came off as early to mid twenties to me.
They reuse shots and effects where possible. It is not the level where we notice, but it saves them money.
Future also had Diggle dead before Connor could know him. He felt like a second kid.
The Cretan
Member
I don't understand why the current timeline is different than the original timeline. I mean, Barry as a kid couldn't have done something different to change the timeline. He was out of the house and Thawne killed his mother, he just said you aren't safe. Nobody saw this. So, Barry and everyone else would not be affected by this change. I remember Jay's explanation, but it doesn's seem logical to me. Any thoughts?
BLOODED_hands
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Did you remember what Thawne said at the end of episode 1 and the look on his face? It's pretty safe to assume that while in the Speed Force before or after killing Nora, he fucked with the timeline just enough not to attract the attention of the Time Wraith's and not to cause another Flashpoint.
Thawne is just that dude or dat boi.
Time travel through Speed Force: Sledgehammer
Time travel in literally any other way is more delicate and precise.
The Cretan
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Thawne could have done that, but if he knows everything about the new timeline and its future, he would know that Barry fixes the changes. If Thawne doesn't know everything, he wouldn't have made even the tiniest change, because he could have created a new flashpoint. So, I don't think he would have done something. However, he knows something changed. Still, I don't think he was the cause of the changes because of the reasons I listed above.
BLOODED_hands
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Of course he knows Barry will fix the timeline. With the changes he's made, he just wants Barry to have more complications along the way. Thawne just isn't going to go, "here Barry. Here is the timeline where everything is all happy and good. Everything is back to the way things were! Cheers ^_^"
Thawne just wants to watch Barry struggle and so far he's done just that.
Thawne just wants to watch Barry struggle and so far he's done just that.
Septimus Prime
Member
This show needs Tom Cavanaugh.
Well lucky for you....
Also, I actually thought the show has been surprisingly fine without Wells.
Well, technically it could be because Reverse Flash never got stuck in time now so none of the events of S01 happened the way we saw them, but the real explanation is: speedforce.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Gah.
Reverse Flash came off as more sympathetic than Barry.
The Rival was a joke. I'm glad he exploded.
Fallout Boy isn't an especially interesting villain even if he's making alternate timeline pod people.
Reverse Flash came off as more sympathetic than Barry.
The Rival was a joke. I'm glad he exploded.
Fallout Boy isn't an especially interesting villain even if he's making alternate timeline pod people.
KonradLaw
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Is it though? The set up makes sense if she was supposed to die anyway. Jus in different way. Thawne sped up him becoming the Flash, so it's possible with his mother he also just made it come faster.
That or it's the case of Legends of TOmorrow's time changes, where it's fluid only for some time and after a while the altered timeline sets in place so hard, it's get incredibly hardt to change successfuly.
KonradLaw
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He's living in CWverse though. Important people age slower there
Remember.....father and son:
Also, shouldn't Barry be losing his memories from the other timeline - this is another alternate timeline after all.
Either way, Thawne change the timeline, making the main timeline of the series an alternate timeline. It is by no means how it should be.
. Then the entire show is just them being trapped in a time loop.
If she was supposed to die, then she would have died in the other alternate timeline, but she was still alive. There were no time wraiths either. So I don't think that flies.
Either way, Thawne change the timeline, making the main timeline of the series an alternate timeline. It is by no means how it should be.
That just makes it even worse
. Then the entire show is just them being trapped in a time loop.I really liked the episode. The middle part where Barry admits he changed the timeline was a unique sort of emotional drama that you can only find on the Flash.
Can you imagine your friend telling you that one of your most loved family members is alive in another existence, and that they're only dead because they wrote them out of the timeline? How do you even begin to process that?
Can you imagine your friend telling you that one of your most loved family members is alive in another existence, and that they're only dead because they wrote them out of the timeline? How do you even begin to process that?
There was so much stuff to enjoy about this episode.
- Cisco having a serious side
- The Killer Frost reveal and its potential consequences
- The mystery of Dr. Alchemy and the husks and how characters have gotten their powers
- The magic retconning of Diggle to have a son which makes sense when you consider the Legends of Tomorrow 2046 episode
- Julian showing up out of nowhere and being a total dick
- The comedic scene where Barry is planning dinner between Joe and Iris
- Jay Garrick taking no bullshit from Barry's screw-ups
The episode didn't even have Wells and I didn't even notice.
- Cisco having a serious side
- The Killer Frost reveal and its potential consequences
- The mystery of Dr. Alchemy and the husks and how characters have gotten their powers
- The magic retconning of Diggle to have a son which makes sense when you consider the Legends of Tomorrow 2046 episode
- Julian showing up out of nowhere and being a total dick
- The comedic scene where Barry is planning dinner between Joe and Iris
- Jay Garrick taking no bullshit from Barry's screw-ups
The episode didn't even have Wells and I didn't even notice.
WrenchNinja
Member
He doesn't need to kill Barry's mother for him to exist. Barry still became the Flash in the original timeline, just later.
See above your post =p
HamPster PamPster
Member
Good episode. I've only seen the animated movie but I think episodes 1 and 2 together make a nice flashpoint alternative. Barry aced that scene when he told the truth
What are the chances Jay is on Supergirl's earth and they don't know because he was captured by Zoom,timeline shenanigans SPEEDFORCE, and/or he's just laying low while in retirement. I'd love to see him pop up during the crossover
What are the chances Jay is on Supergirl's earth and they don't know because he was captured by Zoom,
Regginator
Member
Unmemorable episode. I swear, the moment they went all-out with the time travels and alternate universes is the moment the show started to slip off immensely. I could tolerate the Earth 2 stuff, because it was (both visually and narratively) still distinctly clear from Earth Prime which makes it a fresh change of pace, and Zoom was amazing, but after S2's finale and now the start to S3, they're spinning out of control to a point that it feels like a parody.
More often that not I feel it's largely due to how terribly written Barry is becoming. Whenever he does something stupid time-related, instead of just coming clean to his crew (who already knows he can time travel), he's just awkwardly trying to make sense of it all, and it's just infuriating to watch.
The worst part of it all is Iris' stupid reconciliation speech. Like, they've had years and years of problems and issues (because they experience their lives as unchanged, never aware of the time-change) but apparently a simple speech about "we're not like this in another time-line" is enough to make them good ol' buddies again. It doesn't make sense. That's like saying "yo, I killed your brother, but don't sweat it, there's a time-line where I didn't). Might as well have made Barry reset the time-line properly and then never use time-travel in the series again. Which would have been rather lazily done, but I'd prefer laziness above poorly written.
In short, speedforce bruh, we don't have to explain shit.
More often that not I feel it's largely due to how terribly written Barry is becoming. Whenever he does something stupid time-related, instead of just coming clean to his crew (who already knows he can time travel), he's just awkwardly trying to make sense of it all, and it's just infuriating to watch.
The worst part of it all is Iris' stupid reconciliation speech. Like, they've had years and years of problems and issues (because they experience their lives as unchanged, never aware of the time-change) but apparently a simple speech about "we're not like this in another time-line" is enough to make them good ol' buddies again. It doesn't make sense. That's like saying "yo, I killed your brother, but don't sweat it, there's a time-line where I didn't). Might as well have made Barry reset the time-line properly and then never use time-travel in the series again. Which would have been rather lazily done, but I'd prefer laziness above poorly written.
In short, speedforce bruh, we don't have to explain shit.
KonradLaw
Member
I think it's because everything changed just a bit? So all the painful changes are fresh. Iris still spend 25+ years of pure love with her father and only recently learned that her mother is alive. And Cisco has been a friend of Barry for two seasons and Dante was killed only in the short 3 months period between seasons.