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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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mclaren777 said:
It was the FIA who made the decision.
Hopefully someone buys them out and creates a worthy team next year. Or someone else takes their slot since I can't imagine they'll be in after this season.
Also, during qualifying one of the commentators on SPEED said that Liuzzi got a 2mil severance package from Force India and it's rumored he sunk that into HRT to pay for his drive. Wonder if that's true at all.
Aston Martin for shits and giggles.
Also, during qualifying one of the commentators on SPEED said that Liuzzi got a 2mil severance package from Force India and it's rumored he sunk that into HRT to pay for his drive. Wonder if that's true at all.
mclaren777
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I don't really care who denied them permission. I'm just disappointed that they won't be participating in this race, especially after all the hard work the team put in.rogue_pigeon said:
mclaren777
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They don't suck at all! Hardly.duckroll said:
Some facts to consider:
1. Luizzi's fastest lap was only his eighth timed lap in that car. Ever.
2. Luizzi's lap was only two seconds slower than d'Ambrosio's lap.
3. Virgin racked up 3709 kms of testing in their 2011 car--HRT had zero.
If anything, I think HRT could soon be faster than Lotus. They just need more time on track to better understand their car. Denying them permission to race only hinders that progress and I'm confident that both HRT drivers could turn race laps within 107% of the leader. They just need more time and confidence. I disagree with the claim that it would have been a safety issue to let them race.
If HRT wants time to improve, they're going to have to wait until the next race. Letting them race this weekend on a mostly unproven car could prove to be dangerous. Granted, it does suck that they traveled to the other end of the world and didn't qualify, but those are the rules and they're implemented for safety.
mclaren777 said:
Yes, they do.
1. Okay, errr so? Whose fault is that? Certainly not the FIA's. Certainly not the other teams. Everyone had a fair shot, they couldn't get their shit together. Sucks for them.
2. "Only" 2 seconds? Lol
3. Again, whose fault is that? If they're not prepared to be in F1, they should go find something more suitable for their budget and resources. Seriously.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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mclaren777 said:
At most races, I'd agree.
At this race, however, given that it's one of the narrower tracks on the calendar with a historically high rate of safety car incidents, and is the first race with the DRS, new KERS systems and new tyre rubber that still has a question mark over its durability (and the resulting build up of the 'chunk' marbles off the racing line)... I don't think that's a fit environment to be testing a car, let alone a slow one.
RomanticHeroX
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I'm glad a sensible decision was made. The HRT car has absolutely no business being on track and could be a danger to themselves and the rest of the grid. I'd hate to see someone injured or the results skewed because the team wants to pretend they're competing.
You're disappointed that a team who:mclaren777 said:
1: Couldn't manage a single lap of testing with a 2011 car
2: Weren't even able to complete a lap until FP3 at Melbourne
3: Were 1.7s and 3.0 slower than the 107% time, so not even close to the target to qualify
Were denied the ability to race? HRT would have been a mobile chicane, and given that one of the cars managed 3 turns before breaking down in FP3, a potential hazard come the race itself. While I feel sorry for Liuzzi and Karthikeyan and the engineers who obviously tried their best, the team is broken and do not deserve to be in the best racing series in the world.
Even when the likes of Super Aguri ran out of money a few years ago (A team near the back of the grid to begin with), at least the car worked, this team cannot even get that working. The fact that their 2011 front wing failed FIA testing and they had to use a 2010 one, and rumours that the entire aero package had to be reverted to 2010 spec because the new one wasn't finished shows that this outfit are probably not ever going to be proper competitors in F1 and need to be culled while some pride can still be retained.
This isn't 2010, HRT aren't a "brand new" team any more and if I'm honest, how many seasons are we meant to see this team scrabbling around just to get a car on the track, let alone compete, before we wonder why they have a license to race? Honest question, why should we be patient? I don't see any reason at all any longer.
mclaren777
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A clear view of the new Mclaren exhaust...
mclaren777 said:
While your points might be valid and I certainly do think they'll come back faster next race, and maybe even be within the 107% - the same points you made are the exact reasons why they should not race. They have had ZERO testing. Who knows what that car will do. Out of safety for the drivers and for everyone else on the track, they should not be permitted to drive with so little testing.
Also, GP2 cars are as quick as they are.
Articate said:
If their car passed all the security tests then it should be considered safe to race, regardless of how many laps it completed pre-season. That's not the issue.
They're only a liability becase they're too slow. Of course, not being able to race will kill the few sponsors they have so this team should be completely dead very soon.
Psychotext
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I have to agree. I was wary but the commentary on the qualifying seemed very natural. Looking forward to seeing how they do in the race.Ark said:
Regarding the Quali, my goodness at Vettel's pace. Only thing more terrifying than his pace in that car was the horrendous Gladiator speech he gave afterwards. WE ARE WHO WE ARE. Things like that are why I can't stand the guy.
From a Ferrari standpoint, I think the temperature really threw them for a loop. The car looked planted during testing and I don't think they could get any heat into them. Also, Felipe is quite shit.
I hope the car is stronger in race trim than it is in quali trim and Alonso can bring home some solid points.
Brundle and DC were fantastic. It was so cool to hear DC's call on the Sutil spin, followed by footage confirming that he was dead on. Great stuff.
From a Ferrari standpoint, I think the temperature really threw them for a loop. The car looked planted during testing and I don't think they could get any heat into them. Also, Felipe is quite shit.
I hope the car is stronger in race trim than it is in quali trim and Alonso can bring home some solid points.
Brundle and DC were fantastic. It was so cool to hear DC's call on the Sutil spin, followed by footage confirming that he was dead on. Great stuff.
Foliorum Viridum
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Martin did a great job in commentary. Legard is forgotten already.
HRT being out of the race can only be a good thing. Joke team.
Happy with McLaren's pace, I was expecting much worse after all of the testing info. Vettel is a force that seems unstoppable, but if last year showed us anything it's that Red Bull may not dominate even if they have the best car, so I'm hoping Button/Webber give him a run for his money.
Finally, Kobayashi is fucking amazing. That is all.
HRT being out of the race can only be a good thing. Joke team.
Happy with McLaren's pace, I was expecting much worse after all of the testing info. Vettel is a force that seems unstoppable, but if last year showed us anything it's that Red Bull may not dominate even if they have the best car, so I'm hoping Button/Webber give him a run for his money.
Finally, Kobayashi is fucking amazing. That is all.
h3ro said:
Agree, that was some crazy and very lucky spin btw, you can see him pressing the button right on the curbs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FjUu1CE_gE#t=0m28s
Fixed1979 said:
What I used to do was watch the Speed pre-race then switch to TSN, that worked great. I think it is TSN being cheap possible?? I don't know why they just don't the entire BBC broadcast? It is not like there is anything else on at that time in Canada.
Also I thought Brundle did a good job.
That didn't take long!Foliorum Viridum said:
Anyway, I agree with you on Konayashi, the guy was unlucky to only be 9th but we all know how awesome he is at overtaking. Tomorrow will be the first indication of that RBR is indeed unstoppable or if the Pirelli tyres prove to be their undoing.
The one question if of course that of KERS, if they are indeed using a version that doesn't actively re-charge, doesn't that defeat the object of the system, will the FIA even allow it to exist going forward considering KERS is supposed to be a showcase of next gen car tech, not purely a racing aid.
Edit: The Brundle/Coulthard commentary setup should be a fantastic one. They are great friends (Brundle managed DC for long enough) and thus should have a great, almost instinctual link so the commentary should be very natural. Of course both know F1 inside out so that helps.
JordoftheDead
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Thanks for posting the JB @ Bathurst vid Deadman. Good stuff.
Loving Brundle and DC too. I hope Kobayashi, Schumacher and Barichello all go on overtaking sprees. Not long now people!
Loving Brundle and DC too. I hope Kobayashi, Schumacher and Barichello all go on overtaking sprees. Not long now people!
K, so... hoping Vettel continues his run of non-wins at Melbourne, meaning that either Lewis, Button or Webs will win, neither of which I have a problem with. Kobi, Petrov and Schumi should provide midfield entertainment. Without HRT, I predict it will be an entertaining race, providing Finger isn't just running a time trial.
Webber had better not fuck up his start. FaKERS should take care of that.
Webber had better not fuck up his start. FaKERS should take care of that.
Ponti
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I've got my suspicions that Red Bulls version of KERS won't make that much of a difference for them. Although Webber is alright most of the time neither of them are particularly great off the line, especially Vettel.Shaneus said:
In order for a system like that to work you'd need to be half decent first to actually get the boost you want.
RomanticHeroX
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Webber fans should be glad Hamilton split the RB cars because he'll at least be starting on the clean side of the grid. Melbourne is a track where that makes quite a bit of difference off the line.
I'm sort of contemplating not watching the race with Norwegian commentators and instead procure the BBC HD later. I love that I can use the iPhone/iPad app to watch a replay of live timing!! I'm definitely gonna do this at some races in this season. Tomorrow would be pretty awesome since I wouldn't have to twindle my fingers for hours before I could see it, but rather sleep it away. But then again, I can't miss the live action!
So off I go to bed. See you in some hours, GAF.
So off I go to bed. See you in some hours, GAF.
JordoftheDead
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RomanticHeroX said:
I know it often is at Melbourne, but I think turn one is going to be particularly messy. I hope I'm wrong though, there is nothing more annoying than a great race being spoiled by first lap stuff-ups.
Also, the race is being streamed live on www.onehd.com.au with the BBC commentary for the main event.
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