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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Dead Man

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navanman said:
The overhead replay looks like Button squeezed him into the wall.
Jenson just took the normal racing line, with the spray he would not have had a chance of seeing Ham. It was Ham's job to avoid his team mate, who was in front of him.
 

Kifimbo

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Rain's coming.

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Omiee

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rogue_pigeon said:
Seeing the replay, there's not much blame to throw around in either direction there. Button wasn't expecting it, but Lewis wasn't making an unreasonable move.


why the fuck would you pull such a stupid move on your team mate so early in the race.
 

Dead Man

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And why is the Webber incident not being investigated any more? I thought the stewards loved handing out penalties for the next race.
 

Sloane

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Dead Man said:
Jenson just took the normal racing line, with the spray he would not have had a chance of seeing Ham. It was Ham's job to avoid his team mate, who was in front of him.
Yup, and he had looked in the mirror a second before or so when Hamilton was still behind him.
 
WOW

Whats with all the Hamilton hate? It was obvious Hamilton thought button saw him and was going to gve him space, and with all the spray Button didn't seem him and took a normal line

Was just an accident. You guys sound hurt
 

malyce

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Omiee said:
why the fuck would you pull such a stupid move on your team mate so early in the race.
explain to me how was it a stupid move... i understand the hate for Ham but some of you are ridiculous, its fucking RACE.
 
Omiee said:
why the fuck would you pull such a stupid move on your team mate so early in the race.

Thing is, it wasn't really a 'stupid' move (he was just unlucky that Button didn't see him), and the speed differential would have pretty much guaranteed him the position at the next corner.
 

Omiee

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anyhow, lets see if alonso can over take vettel now after the safery car comes in

rogue_pigeon said:
Thing is, it wasn't really a 'stupid' move (he was just unlucky that Button didn't see him), and the speed differential would have pretty much guaranteed him the position at the next corner.


come on now, its raining, there is a chanse button cant see him.
so why would you take that chanse?

massa is so close to alonson and he did not do something stupid like that.
 

Black_Stride

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Dead Man said:
Replay looks dodgy on Hamilton. Ham understeered, but should have avoided the situation

I didnt think anyone would assume it was Hamiltons fault...but i guess Hamilton haters will blame him for everything and anything that goes wrong.

Clearly Button fucked up, he closed the gap for no good reason.
 
Harry_Tequila said:
How could you possibly blame Hamilton for that? Button pushed him into the wall...

Button moved a little bit to the left - not to block Hamilton but because it is the natural thing to do in that situation/part of the course. Hamilton once more proved that he is a sore loser. Can't wait until he blames everything again on being a black race driver and race stewards being racist.
 

Dead Man

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Harry_Tequila said:
How could you possibly blame Hamilton for that? Button pushed him into the wall...
malyce said:
explain to me how was it a stupid move... i understand the hate for Ham but some of you are ridiculous, its fucking RACE.
rogue_pigeon said:
Thing is, it wasn't really a 'stupid' move (he was just unlucky that Button didn't see him), and the speed differential would have pretty much guaranteed him the position at the next corner.
He was behind his team mate, in poor visibility. Jenson took his normal racing line, the same as every other driver on that section. You need to be a careful passing team mates, and you cannot just expect them to give up the racing line for you. Hamilton was wildly optimistic, he should have gone to the right if he wanted to pass, not for the gap he knew would disappear if Jenson either didn't see him or just didn't want to give up the racing line.

Bottom line, on a gentle curve, you cannot blame the car in front, on the normal racing line.
 

Milchjon

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Dead Man said:
He was behind his team mate, in poor visibility. Jenson took his normal racing line, the same as every other driver on that section. You need to be a careful passing team mates, and you cannot just expect them to give up the racing line for you. Hamilton was wildly optimistic, he should have gone to the right if he wanted to pass, not for the gap he knew would disappear if Jenson either didn't see him or just didn't want to give up the racing line.

Bottom line, on a gentle curve, you cannot blame the car in front, on the normal racing line.

That's the way I see it, too.
 

John_B

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It looks like Button didn't see Hamilton. Hamilton was faster, moving up on the side of Button, who kept going, leaving Hamilton no way to go but the wall.

It was a pretty standard move to do on a straight, but people see what they want to see and blaming Hamilton for everything is pretty standard around here.
 
Dead Man said:
He was behind his team mate, in poor visibility. Jenson took his normal racing line, the same as every other driver on that section. You need to be a careful passing team mates, and you cannot just expect them to give up the racing line for you. Hamilton was wildly optimistic, he should have gone to the right if he wanted to pass, not for the gap he knew would disappear if Jenson either didn't see him or just didn't want to give up the racing line.

Bottom line, on a gentle curve, you cannot blame the car in front, on the normal racing line.

If he'd gone right, he would have still ended up getting squeezed off the track if Jenson still hadn't seen him.

You have to expect the driver ahead to see you, otherwise you'd never attempt a pass. It's a risk, but that's racing.

Also, the visibility really isn't that bad at the moment.
 
Dead Man said:
He was behind his team mate, in poor visibility. Jenson took his normal racing line, the same as every other driver on that section. You need to be a careful passing team mates, and you cannot just expect them to give up the racing line for you. Hamilton was wildly optimistic, he should have gone to the right if he wanted to pass, not for the gap he knew would disappear if Jenson either didn't see him or just didn't want to give up the racing line.

Bottom line, on a gentle curve, you cannot blame the car in front, on the normal racing line.
Just because it's the racing line doesn't mean you can just move into it even if there's another car there, especially if your teammate has been attempting to pass you for the last few laps.
 

Juicy Bob

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Dead Man said:
Jenson just took the normal racing line, with the spray he would not have had a chance of seeing Ham. It was Ham's job to avoid his team mate, who was in front of him.
I'm sorry, but I didn't see any spray coming from the back of Jenson's car at all.
 

Wes

venison crêpe
Here comes the inters change because of Buttons pace.

And the heavy rain is still expected.

om nom nom
 
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