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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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rithvikgv

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DrM said:
He messed up either 'spoon' or 130R, he was fast after two sectors
Mark mentioned that the incident with Hamilton at the Casio triangle caused him to get his tyres dirty leading to a relatively poor first sector. Apparently, he also made a mistake coming out of the T-11 hairpin and hence could not open up the DRS as he wasn't on 100% throttle. (Does anyone know if this is applicable only to RBR's DRS system?)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95160
 

ANDY_098

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PdotMichael said:
I could quote some reactions from many users here. And the first interview from Hamilton was clearly against Kobayashi, he corrected it later, that's correct.



http://youtu.be/berEWZHNe0A

It was a mistake from Hamilton, without discussion. And alone without Spa and Singapore he would have more points than Button.

On the BBC build up this morning they showed this incident in super slow-mo and DC highlights that KK had turned in on Hamilton.
 

John_B

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Wax Free Vanilla said:
So moving twice to cut up one driver and quickly moving left to force another one off is fair? The guy is a track menace and a serial liar.
Read the Webber interview and shut the fuck up already.

The wall messed up by throwing out everyone in the last seconds then telling them to build up gaps. It's racing. Shit happens all the time.
 

John_B

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SunhiLegend said:
If Hamilton had left a little space... If Kobayashi hadn't stuck his front into an impossible overtaking position...

There is almost never one dude to put all the blame on in most situations. We could look at the similar incident from Canada with Hamilton and Button and never agree on who was at fault, because in reality there is a ton of tiny details that make for a big fuck up.

The weird thing is just that when Webber crashes into Massa at Monza we have our reactions and move along, but when Hamilton crashes into Massa at Singapore, crazy people turn up run and a hate campaign for multiple pages. Stop hating so much and just enjoy the racing...
 

Leunam

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Built as a Honda test track Suzuka now tests the skills and endurance of Formula 1 drivers. One of the few tracks in the world to have a unique figure eight design, Suzuka has features that push the limits of control and speed with the 130R and the Esses of the first sector. Sebastian Vettel may very well clinch the title this weekend as long as he scores a single point, and may go on to become the youngest ever double world champion at age 24.

2010 Race Summary

Twenty-three drivers started the race after Lucas di Grassi had a heavy accident on the way to the grid, leaving the track at the entrance to 130R, fishtailing wildly and spinning out across the run-off area and hitting the wall. There was enough time between the accident and the start to clear the track, so the start took place without any delay.
Sebastian Vettel leads Robert Kubica, Mark Webber and the rest of the field on the opening lap.

When the race finally began, Sebastian Vettel led the pack away, with Robert Kubica able to take championship leader Webber on the approach to the first turn. Further down the order, two separate incidents unfolded; starting from thirteenth, Vitaly Petrov got the best start and was able to clear the two rows immediately in front of him. By contrast, Nico Hülkenberg, starting in ninth, made a poor start and crawled away. Petrov moved over to avoid contact with another driver on his right just as Hülkenberg started to accelerate, and the Renault collected the Williams. Petrov's car spun into the outside barrier, whilst Hülkenberg came to a halt on the inside of the first corner. Meanwhile, Felipe Massa made a poor start from twelfth and was forced to go right in order to avoid the Petrov–Hülkenberg incident as he was swamped by the rest of the grid. His Ferrari bounced over the kerb on the inside of the first corner before collecting the Force India of Vitantonio Liuzzi, and the two cars spun into the outside gravel trap. The safety car was deployed as the four cars were cleared away.

Suzuka claimed another victim on the second lap of the safety car. Sebastian Vettel was spotted following the safety car with a significant gap behind him; Renault's Robert Kubica was unaccounted for, only to be spotted coming to a halt after the hairpin. The right-rear tyre had come free of the Pole's R30, forcing him into retirement. As Kubica had been the only driver to split the championship contenders during qualifying, his retirement had a significant effect on the race as it meant the five candidates were all within range of one another. Vettel led the cars away at the restart, followed by Webber, Alonso and the McLarens of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton. Popular opinion divided the five drivers into two separate races: one between the Red Bulls for line honours, and the other between Alonso and the McLarens for the final podium position.

Elsewhere in the field, Nico Rosberg, Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock and Bruno Senna pitted during the safety car with a view to making up time when everyone else pitted, though Rosberg was the only driver who could reasonably challenge the rest of the field. The first round of pit stops was triggered by Adrian Sutil, which prompted Williams to bring Rubens Barrichello in; Barrichello's stop had been the move the front-runners were waiting for. Lewis Hamilton pitted whilst Button stayed out in an attempt to make his strategy work, but the Red Bulls were able to maintain a close distance to Button to nullify his strategy. Further down the order, local driver Kamui Kobayashi passed five drivers with some aggressive moves – likened to an ambush by commentators[citation needed] – at the hairpin. Nick Heidfeld, Sebastien Buemi, Jaime Alguersuari, Adrian Sutil, and Rubens Barrichello were all passed by the Sauber driver, with Kobayashi taking Alguersuari twice. Alguersuari was criticised for his response to the Japanese driver's second pass, as the two cars hammered into one another, damaging both and forcing the Toro Rosso driver to pit. Force India left Japan pointless after Adrian Sutil's engine expired, releasing a sheen of oil across the track through the high-speed 130R as he attempted to return to the pits.
Podium finishers Vettel, Webber and Fernando Alonso circuit on the victory lap.

Lewis Hamilton's dramatic weekend continued when he lost third gear whilst pursuing Alonso on a circuit dominated by third-gear corners. Jenson Button lost the lead and was demoted to fifth place, but quickly caught his team-mate. He briefly attempted to chase Alonso, but the Spanish driver responded with a series of quick laps that were enough to cover Button's speed on fresh tyres, and the reigning World Champion instead consolidated fourth place. Meanwhile, Nico Rosberg - who had been engaged in a fight with team-mate Schumacher from the moment Schumacher emerged from his pit stop - exited the race when his rear wheel came off through the final bends of the Esses. Yellow flags were waved, but the safety car was not deployed and the stricken Mercedes was cleared away quickly.

Sebastian Vettel won the race by just under a second from team-mate Webber, who claimed the fastest lap in the process, with Fernando Alonso rounding out the podium. Jenson Button finished fourth ahead of Hamilton, with Schumacher sixth and Kobayashi home seventh. Heikki Kovalainen was the first of the new teams to cross the line, his twelfth position helping to consolidate Lotus' tenth position in the championship.

The final positions meant that Mark Webber extended his lead over his championship rivals, but Sebastian Vettel's win meant that he drew level with Fernando Alonso on points. Fourth and fifth positions for Button and Hamilton respectively meant that while both McLaren drivers were still a mathematical possibility of winning the championship, with three rounds to go they would need some results to go their way.

The separate first-lap incidents between Petrov and Hülkenberg and Massa and Liuzzi were later investigated by the stewards. The Russian driver was given a five-place penalty at the next race for causing an avoidable accident, but Massa was not penalised after going on the grass.

Circuit Info
[Click map for onboard lap]

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Laps
53​
Circuit length
5.807 km (3.608 mi)​
Race length
307.573 km (191.117 mi)​
Lap Record
Kimi Räikkönen - McLaren - 2005 - 1:31.540​
Most Wins (Drivers)
Michael Schumacher (6)​
Most Wins (Constructors)
Mclaren (8)​

Changes from 2010

-Asphalt has been added outside turns 1 and 2 and turns 13 and 14.

GP Facts

-Honda-owned Suzuka was designed and built as a test track for the Japanese motor giant in 1962. It first hosted a grand prix in 1987 (an event won by Ferrari’s Gerhard Berger from pole position) and continued to do so in an unbroken sequence until 2006.

-So far this season Sebastian Vettel, who needs only one point this weekend to secure a second consecutive world title, has won nine grands prix; secured 11 pole positions; set one fastest lap and scored 309 points. His worst result of the season to date was fourth at the German Grand Prix, in July. He has led 582 of 839 racing laps and led 13 of 14 races.

-Among many notable Japanese Grands Prix are:
– 1976: James Hunt (McLaren) wins his sole world title in storm conditions;
– 1987: Nelson Piquet takes his third drivers’ title after Williams team-mate Nigel Mansell crashes in practice.
– 1989: Prost vs Senna, part I. McLaren team-mates and rivals Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna collide at the chicane on lap 46. Prost retires; Senna goes on to finish first, but is later stripped of the win, handing victory to Alessandro Nannini (Benetton). Prost would win that year’s title.
– 1990: Prost vs Senna, part II. The enmity between Prost (Ferrari) and Senna (McLaren) boils over. Senna collides with Prost into turn 1; taking both cars out at more than 290km/h. Senna would win that year’s title.

Videos Highlighting the Japanese GP

Highlights from the 2003 Japanese GP

Senna vs. Prost at Suzuka 1988
Senna vs. Prost at Suzuka 1989
Senna vs. Prost at Suzuka 1990

Highlights from Kamui Kobayashi at the 2010 Japanese GP

Previous Winners


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Drivers Championship


Constructors Championship


Fantasy League Championship
 

Leunam

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We are definitely going to hit the 20,000 post limit this weekend. I'm taking suggestions for titles for the new thread. All I've got so far is:

The Formula 1 2011 Season of That Damned Finger |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of The Youngest Double World Champion |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of Post-Season Races |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of Red Bull Ruining Everyones Fun |OT2|

I'll have the thread up after the race. I'll need the first four posts for the OP.
 
Leunam said:
We are definitely going to hit the 20,000 post limit this weekend. I'm taking suggestions for titles for the new thread. All I've got so far is:

The Formula 1 2011 Season of That Damned Finger |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of The Youngest Double World Champion |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of Post-Season Races |OT2|
The Formula 1 2011 Season of Red Bull Ruining Everyones Fun |OT2|

I'll have the thread up after the race. I'll need the first four posts for the OP.

I like this one, because it's true.
"The Formula 1 2011 Season of That Damned Finger |OT2|"
 
Things just haven't gone well for him this year. He's as fast as ever, but always seems to put himself in the wrong place. He was looking very good for pole.
 

Ark

Member
Dilly said:
Can't remember when Hamilton looked like he enjoyed himself. He really looks like he's getting burned out.

Australia, China and Germany ... I think that's about it really.
 

Omiee

Member
Dilly said:
Can't remember when Hamilton looked like he enjoyed himself. He really looks like he's getting burned out.


I think thats has a part to play in why he's been driving so frustarted lately.

he's becoming the lebron james of f1.
 
Man, that was a close last session. Would've been very tense if Stop It didn't spoil it for me earlier today the son of a... >_>

Shame Hammy didn't get to put another lap in. The clock has literally just hit 0 so I haven't seen the replays to know why that was yet. If it was squabbling with Schuey then that's a bit shit.

I hope Button gives Vettel a good race tomorrow. He's going to be world champ and he totally deserves it, so let's see him have a really close battle with the only man who can seemingly keep up with him before he finalises it.

Also, all the KOBYYYYY coverage was really cool. I wish he got more attention outside of Japan. Racist.

Edit: Oh, Webber and Schuey go past Hamilton? That's a bit odd.

Edit 2: Seems like Hamilton was just going too slow then. That sucks even more.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Just catching up, some really good stuff.

I suggest The Formula 1 2011 Season of Getting Double O'Fingered.

In line with today's qualifying result.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
navanman said:
Looking forward to the new OP.

I say Leunam gets the last post and sign-off from this thread.
I share that sentiment. Leunam's really taken up the mantle since SubZero left.

Great commitment and great thread.
 

TylerD

Member
Just catching up on qualy, Vettel does it again. He is just amazing on those go for pole laps. 9 freaking thousandths. Watched qualy on SPEED today and Will Buxton made a comment about Vettel saying that Q3 is the time to drop your trousers and show everybody what you've got. :D

Now, Off topic: anybody else going to watch the Bathurst 1000? SPEED is showing it live starting at 7 ET tonight. I think we will be discussing it in the 2010 autosport thread here.

http://secondapps.com/neogaf/showthread.php?t=384602
 

dubc35

Member
Wow, very slow at the beginning of qualy but finished great. C'mon Lewis, wtf?! I really thought Jenson would be on pole. Damn that finger!
 

Chris R

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TylerD said:
Just catching up on qualy, Vettel does it again. He is just amazing on those go for pole laps. 9 freaking thousandths. Watched qualy on SPEED today and Will Buxton made a comment about Vettel saying that Q3 is the time to drop your trousers and show everybody what you've got. :D

Now, Off topic: anybody else going to watch the Bathurst 1000? SPEED is showing it live starting at 7 ET tonight. I think we will be discussing it in the 2010 autosport thread here.

http://secondapps.com/neogaf/showthread.php?t=384602
I mentioned the Buxton quote when he made it live, was quite funny. Also Hobbs made a similar quote about Suzuka showing which driver had the largest pair during P1.

I'm watching Bathurst, but not live :( Have to go to a concert in a few hours and probably wont be home until 2 hours before the F1 race. I'll cram as much of the race in as i can before the F1 race though, and probably finish it after, if not on Sunday afternoon.
 

John_B

Member
Is it really that complex/expensive to manage separate tyres for practice, qualifying and race?

Kobayashi in Q3 looked like this:

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Qualifying has been massively improved with the ban on refueling, but there are still issues with tyre saving strategies - drivers doing a minimal amount of laps or none at all.

Pure qualifying regulations would probably add a ton of cost to the teams, but can't we just give them some extra rubber to burn on saturdays?
 

Leunam

Member
navanman said:
Looking forward to the new OP.

I say Leunam gets the last post and sign-off from this thread.

Well I'll try and get it in after the race. The sign-off should be in the new thread, I think. The new OP will be the same as this one but with the mid-season wrap up posted afterwards.
 

Omiee

Member
just finished watching qualy since i missed it.

damnnn mclaren is fast, im really worried for the race.

its promising to be an exciting race though.
 

mblitek

Member
I uploaded FP1/2, Pre-Quali & Quali(still going up) in HD.

I was impressed with Senna & KK doing so well. Also should be an epic race between the top 3. Soooooooo pumped!
 

Omiee

Member
mblitek said:
I uploaded FP1/2, Pre-Quali & Quali(still going up) in HD.

I was impressed with Senna & KK doing so well. Also should be an epic race between the top 3. Soooooooo pumped!


Thank so much.

cant wait for the race, setting my clock
 

kharma45

Member
Watching the highlights of last years GP before going to bed to be up in time for the race, the best thing about the 2011 season is no more Legard, I'd forgotten how much I hated him commentating.
 

Saiyar

Unconfirmed Member
The Formula 1 2011 Season of Two Championships, One Finger |OT2|

Psychotext said:
Alarm is set on the TV... if I actually wake up enough to watch it is another story.
Time will tell.

UFC is on from 2.00am till 5.00am here. No sleep for me this morning.
 

Xun

Member
Not going to watch the pre-race until a later stage (on the iPlayer), but I'll see you all at 7am for the main show!
 

mblitek

Member
Omiee said:
Thank so much.

cant wait for the race, setting my clock

Qualifying finished uploading awhile ago, whoops!

I won't be watching until tomorrow around lunch time EST :) Lunch & F1 mmmmmm Then I'll poke my head in.
 

Pterion

Member
ANDY_098 said:
On the BBC build up this morning they showed this incident in super slow-mo and DC highlights that KK had turned in on Hamilton.
I suspected it all along. But it's cool to just blame Hamilton for everything nowadays.

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what a fuck up by Mclaren. Was Hamilton supposed to be in Button's dirty air?
 
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