Psychotext
Member
I wonder if there would be as many complaints if the teams were allowed unlimited tyres (which would allow them to pit as many times as they wanted).
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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PdotMichael
Banned
http://sports.ndtv.com/formula-1/news/170594-alonso-unhappy-with-pirelli-tyres
Drivers were unhappy in 2011 too.
Last year Pirelli solved the problem with more conservative tires for the second half and all were happy.
moojito
Member
So there's a preview of the Russian F1 track on the bbc site with DC and Vettel. Talk about awkward. I think there would have been more rapport if it had been Webber instead of DC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22494561
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22494561
Except the races were boring as shit in the second half of the season.
Hope you guys enjoy RBR domination from Canada onwards, what a fucking joke
This is a fraud and a spit in the face for the teams which worked hard to get the tires right, the rest should play catch up instead of whining, even Pirelli with their official statement admitted that this change will punish said teams while giving an advantage to Red Bull, you can't be more open/clear/transparent about it, they said "the change will give the team Read Bull and advantage while punishing the teams that got the thermal management right" yet the FIA is willing to take it no matter what.
if RBR & Mercedes cars need more pressure and load into the tires to turn corners at the same speed as Ferrari/Lotus/Force India then why don't they soften their cars ? in case they are suffering from thermal issues as well (which they are, in my opinion) why don't they play a bit with the exhausts' placement to improve mechanical grip ? they would achieve better suspension through slow turns... can't believe it, the first thing you learn as an engineer is that reducing downforce reduces the loads on the tires... RBR won't let go of the magical downforce Adrian Newey is capable to spell into his designs, better to have Pirelli to do all the (unfair) work for them instead, easy job when old Bernie thinks the finger boy is the second coming of Christ.
Enjoy the rest of the season, I'm out as soon as Vettel disappears from pole into the distance believing he is the best driver in history.
if RBR & Mercedes cars need more pressure and load into the tires to turn corners at the same speed as Ferrari/Lotus/Force India then why don't they soften their cars ? in case they are suffering from thermal issues as well (which they are, in my opinion) why don't they play a bit with the exhausts' placement to improve mechanical grip ? they would achieve better suspension through slow turns... can't believe it, the first thing you learn as an engineer is that reducing downforce reduces the loads on the tires... RBR won't let go of the magical downforce Adrian Newey is capable to spell into his designs, better to have Pirelli to do all the (unfair) work for them instead, easy job when old Bernie thinks the finger boy is the second coming of Christ.
Enjoy the rest of the season, I'm out as soon as Vettel disappears from pole into the distance believing he is the best driver in history.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Yep. Was it Ferrari complaining about the tires people would be screaming Ferrari International Assistence and all that. But still, working hard to understand the tires shouldn't be rewarded. Let's change the tires!
He didn't say a word. Some woman was following him down the line of people handing him pieces of card which he was signing and handing out, and when he got to me near the end i handed him my hat instead, which he turned round in his hands whilst looking for a place to sign, so i turned it over for him and he signed the underside of the peak then handed it back to me
Did he touch your hand?!
You're acting as if the FIA have never altered the regulations during a season. You're also forgetting that this is Pirelli's decision, not the FIA's.
People need to stop thinking the FIA is favouring certain teams over others. It's all in the interest of the sport, which is all that matters.
yeah so now Pirelli can do as they wish without the FIA consent... I hope you are not being serious, ok, whatever. I made my points very clear, even technical points, it's mechanically possible to overcome the tires issues but for sure you are going to bleed downforce in the process, if you need to sit some races outside the podium then so be it, also RBR got 2 wins already... why are they so terrified now ? the didn't whine back when they won those 2 races.
PdotMichael
Banned
I think you saw different races.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Guys guess what.
i received a call from a friend in Qatar and his company (lots of cash) are looking into F1. They are looking closely at Caterham now, and a meeting took place just last week.
.. Should be interesting.
i received a call from a friend in Qatar and his company (lots of cash) are looking into F1. They are looking closely at Caterham now, and a meeting took place just last week.
.. Should be interesting.
Rumour: Bernie Ecclestone has been charged with bribery
Nothing official yet
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/schm...hoben-1.1672763
"Die Münchner Staatsanwaltschaft hat nach Informationen der Süddeutschen Zeitung (Mittwochausgabe) beim Landgericht München Anklage gegen Formel-1-Chef Bernie Ecclestone erhoben. Die Ermittler lasten dem Briten zwei Delikte an: Bestechung eines Amtsträgers in einem besonders schweren Fall und Anstiftung zur Untreue, auch hier in einem besonders schweren Fall. Die Schmiergeldvorwürfe könnten Ecclestone seinen Job als Formel-1-Chef kosten. Einflussreiche Leute in der Rennszene arbeiten darauf hin, dass der Brite sein Amt ruhen lässt."
Translation stolen from autosport forum:
Munichs crown prosecuters after informations of the Süddeutsche Zeitung (wednesday issue) pressed charges against Formula 1 Boss Bernie Ecclesstone at the Landgericht München. The investigator blame him in 2 delicts: bribery of an officeholder in an especially serious case and instigation to Unloyalty, also in an especially serious case. The bribeing accusations could cost Ecclestone his job as Formula 1 boss. Influential people of the racing scene are working towards the brit letting rest his office."
Nothing official yet
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/schm...hoben-1.1672763
"Die Münchner Staatsanwaltschaft hat nach Informationen der Süddeutschen Zeitung (Mittwochausgabe) beim Landgericht München Anklage gegen Formel-1-Chef Bernie Ecclestone erhoben. Die Ermittler lasten dem Briten zwei Delikte an: Bestechung eines Amtsträgers in einem besonders schweren Fall und Anstiftung zur Untreue, auch hier in einem besonders schweren Fall. Die Schmiergeldvorwürfe könnten Ecclestone seinen Job als Formel-1-Chef kosten. Einflussreiche Leute in der Rennszene arbeiten darauf hin, dass der Brite sein Amt ruhen lässt."
Translation stolen from autosport forum:
Munichs crown prosecuters after informations of the Süddeutsche Zeitung (wednesday issue) pressed charges against Formula 1 Boss Bernie Ecclesstone at the Landgericht München. The investigator blame him in 2 delicts: bribery of an officeholder in an especially serious case and instigation to Unloyalty, also in an especially serious case. The bribeing accusations could cost Ecclestone his job as Formula 1 boss. Influential people of the racing scene are working towards the brit letting rest his office."
Oh god yes! Please!
That would make my day if it was true and a solid case.
Psychotext
Member
Actually, they did. They've been whining continuously since the season started.
It's a pretty solid case. They've already convicted the guy who took the bribe.
brotkasten
Member
I suppose it would explain the rumors about someone else taking his place.
Mastah
Member
That was 5th race in Pirelli era. Now, with 2 seasons of knowledge about tyres, perfecting set-ups, changing suspension and aero to suit Pirellis and with FASTER cars (pole in 2011 by Red Bulls in 1:21, Alonso and Hamilton in 1:22, 2 years later with limited DRS everyone was in low 1:21), they still finished the race 15 seconds slower than in 2011. Yes, it's not really racing.
Apparently Williams is considering switch from Renault to Mercedes engines for 2014. Lotus and Caterham also not happy. Their 2014 engine is apparently quite expensive.
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/334611527095185408
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/334611527095185408
Excellent. I want Bernie to be in jail. It will never happen (age + insane amounts of money) but it's nice to dream.
brotkasten
Member
That would be quite the blow for Renault in terms of data collection. Without Williams they have only Red Bull, Lotus and Toro Rosso to beta test the new V6s, right?
brotkasten
Member
Psychotext
Member
Probably doesn't look so eco friendly to be throwing hundreds of tyres on the cars over a weekend.
Yup.
Case against Bernie now stands at: did he bribe him because he wanted to vs. did he bribe him because he was forced/blackmailed to (by WestLB).
brotkasten
Member
Scrab wrote a short editorial about the change of compounds and how it will affect the aero and suspension:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107432
He and Maxxx should be locked into dungeon with all kinds of S&M stuff going on
Nico RTL Trailer Monaco GP 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnL5F5Hc3IU
Haha. Someone should gif Britney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnL5F5Hc3IU
Haha. Someone should gif Britney.
what a mess... do all teams really need to go through hell just to have Vettel and Hamilton back in the podium so the German and UK audiences don't leave ? - yes I'm bitter, I know it's mechanically possible to adapt to the current tires and both Kimi and Alonso are close to master them already, slower driving yes, but more skilled.
from Planet-F1
impossible to predict... what a muppet, he knows well that they would benefit the most by reverting to last season specs, and we have good racing already, his interests are watching processions of pole-to-win fingerboy races helped by every mechanical factor out there, included the tires supplier. While he's driving on "autopilot" playing his 3DS in the cockpit sometimes he would radio "that driver in front of me is too slow, move him out of my way, and guys go get me a Happy Meal for next pit stop"
Psychotext
Member
Uhhh. :O
Would help McLaren and Ferrari most likely too... or are you forgetting how the season ended?
Unrelated to your comment specifically, why do people seem to think Vettel dominated last season? He won the championship by the skin of his teeth, and only because of some bad luck at Ferrari and appalling reliability at McLaren.
PdotMichael
Banned
moojito
Member
A random example of how that's not the case would be the way Vettel goes really deep into some corners before turning which shifts the stress on the tyres from lateral to longitudinal. Knowing when it's beneficial to do that and being able to pull it off would indeed be skill and not just the car.
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, that is not something only Vettel could do. That are all top drivers and they know how to drive a car in the most effective way.
But no skill of Vettel or another driver could put the Red Bull on the same level as the Lotus or Ferrari in Spain.
Or do we still believe that Hamilton is just an one-trick pony?
moojito
Member
It's been shown time and again that some drivers are better at looking after their tyres than others. Your point seemed to be that it was solely down to the car, which is most definitely not the case.
As to the point about Vettel's skill not allowing him to be on the same level as the Lotus or Ferrari, you're more than likely right. The failing here would seem to be the car's design team, not the driver's. As has been suggested previously, I don't think the tyres should have to be changed because a few cars don't work with them. It's up to those teams to sort their cars out.
Psychotext
Member
Was starting to be quite harmful to Pirelli's reputation. Was only a matter of time before they did something about it.
PdotMichael
Banned
The problem is that more downforce = more tread wear. The cars are literally too fast for the Pirelli tires. It shouldn't be the point of the F1 to penalize fast cars.
In the past years the Pirelli tires were short-living too but more downforce helped to reduce the thread wear.
In the past years the Pirelli tires were short-living too but more downforce helped to reduce the thread wear.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Sounds like Honda is going to announce their F1 return later today.
Some sweet Honda music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPONLgIrHKI
Some sweet Honda music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPONLgIrHKI
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Really, when?
Max would like that way too much
Clowns. It should only be changed mid season for safety reasons.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Wow...
Good news for Koba?
I wonder if any other teams will bring them on as a supplier... depending on cost (I have no idea how engine prices factor into things, whether they're a flat expense or not) there may well be a push by Honda to subsidise the engines to get them into the smaller teams (maybe even up to the likes of Sauber or STR?).
Excellent to see a new engine manufacturer, especially Honda.
Honda presser is live.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/honda-news-channel-e
edit: Honda will make engines and KERS for the McLaren Honda team in 2015 and onwards.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/honda-news-channel-e
edit: Honda will make engines and KERS for the McLaren Honda team in 2015 and onwards.
That's great news
Hope it means Kobayashi gets to replace Perez next year
Surely you mean Button.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
I hope this means they drastically change the livery. Would love to see the old white/red make a comeback.