i wanna see what happened in the last couple of laps where kimi managed to fight into 10th place
edit: ah ha www.youtube.com/watch?v=moPM3jlXy9o
edit: ah ha www.youtube.com/watch?v=moPM3jlXy9o
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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Fuck refuelling. You'd just see an instant return to people waiting for pitstops instead of trying to pass on track. The tyre moaning is really beyond ridiculous now as well. Sure, the drivers aren't driving flat-out from start to finish, but guess what, if it wasn't tyres it would be something else they'd be managing. Namely fuel.
The Merc testing controversy is great, but everything else can just bum off.
Why would you see an instant return to that when it's much quicker to just pass someone? You're assuming it's hard to pass someone these days. Instead, you'd have people on different strategies, and if you've seen, say, Hungary '98, you know how fucking awesome that can be.
Psychotext
Member
The thing about managing fuel is that you can put in a bunch of insane laps and then ease back to recover. You do three insane laps on these tyres and you'll never get them back.
I'd take fuel management over tyre management any day of the week.
I'd take fuel management over tyre management any day of the week.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Without these tyres, and outside of DRS zones, pretty much nothing has changed in the design of the cars to successfully aid overtaking, which is largely why those measures were introduced in the first place. And Hungary just happens to be one of the few tracks that has a tendency to level the relative performance of the cars (not completely, of course).
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Is it? I remember it being really abrasive (produced a shit load of marbles off-line).
I would think it is, its a super soft and soft track.
RomanticHeroX
Member
In most years the track falls apart quicker than the tires.
It depends on weather. Maybe we are for more bird watching this year.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Did a quick google but unfortunately most of the relatvent search terms are bringing up stories about the latest tyre fiasco. However I did find this article from 2011 in which Pirelli describe the tyre wear in Canada as 'critical' (but what would they know, amiright?), but there's quotes from Rubens in there saying much the same. Seems the main issues are heavy braking and a low grip surface. Not sure if the latter is still true today though.
http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/news/2011/06/06/2011-canadian-grand-prix/
Psychotext
Member
Unless their testing really did help them move forward considerably then I wouldn't bet on Mercedes getting a particularly good result in the race.
As for Canada and tyres, Pirelli were specifically told to recreate Canada at other tracks, namely the really exciting races we had due to heavy tire wear.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_action=&fes_art_id=43231&fes_page=2
Not working, I'd really like to read this. Hoping to be able to!
Psychotext
Member
Was there earlier. Shame, was quite interesting.
Edited.
You guys are going to gaf in trouble for posting that. Its from Autosport+, thats why I am guessing it was removed from pastebin.
Though, probably not many people even know this thread exists
I didn't realise they'd come after sites to get stuff taken down, although I did see a comment in passing on Reddit about something like that. Better remove it just in case.
Anyway, if you want that Schumi - Rosberg - Hamilton story PM me instead just to stay on the safe side.
Big Takeover
Member
...or a bionic hand because that one is clearly chomped.
RomanticHeroX
Member
Those are the best shoes.
Yes! One of the coolest videos ever. Smoked the hell out of that NSX in loafers.Wrong. Best shoes:
BTW, Pirellis decision to bring the new tyres only to Fridays FP´s gets special praise from FI and LOT.
FI: We are not going to race any tyres we haven´t tested before. And we are going to veto any change in tyres that would change the recent hierarchy. Spectators would switch off if suddenly a team wins that had tyre trouble before.
LOT: We don´t know why people make such a big fuss about the tyre delamination. Its not too bad, and still better than an exploding tyre. Everyone knows what the tyres are like since September last year, so they could have built cars that match the tyres, just like we did.
FI: We are not going to race any tyres we haven´t tested before. And we are going to veto any change in tyres that would change the recent hierarchy. Spectators would switch off if suddenly a team wins that had tyre trouble before.
LOT: We don´t know why people make such a big fuss about the tyre delamination. Its not too bad, and still better than an exploding tyre. Everyone knows what the tyres are like since September last year, so they could have built cars that match the tyres, just like we did.
Psychotext
Member
Looks delicious.
That's fine, but Pirelli are adamant that debris caused those delaminations, so it's not a case of the car being designed for it or not.
But we don't know what it is that is causing the Merc problems. If they are killing their tyres mostly in high speed corners then they'll be ok in Canada as they were in Monaco, as there are none. It's a point an squirt track.
Brawn said that the real test for them will be at Silverstone, not Canada.
RomanticHeroX
Member
Wrong. Best shoes:
Oops, I forgot about that one. Goddamn Senna was the coolest.
Psychotext
Member
Shame the real thing will probably end up looking nothing like it. =/
Compare it to the current one, looks real enough I´d say
BTW: The new one is now running for over a year in Brixworth.
Psychotext
Member
The design has been gone over by a few of the experts and they reckon it'll end up significantly different from what we see in that pic. I'm not talking so much about style, more that it's going to have quite different layout.
Still, it's a nice concept shot anyway. Certainly prettier than this one:
Still, it's a nice concept shot anyway. Certainly prettier than this one:
The new one is about 10kg heavier - so they´ll develop to the last second to get that difference down.
Guess Williams did the same comparison...
I really hate Vettel......
http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/05/lewis-hamilton-hits-back-at-vettels.html
http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/05/lewis-hamilton-hits-back-at-vettels.html
Psychotext
Member
Maybe that's the boy racer edition of the Renault engine.
Edit - You hate Vettel for Hamilton's snipe? Like it or not, he's right that the Mercs were massively slow, but they did what they had to.
That aside, I don't really think Hamilton's in much of a position to talk about having it easy in F1 given he never experienced life as a backmarker. Plus of course the McLaren was the fastest car last year (just not at all reliable!).
Edit - You hate Vettel for Hamilton's snipe? Like it or not, he's right that the Mercs were massively slow, but they did what they had to.
That aside, I don't really think Hamilton's in much of a position to talk about having it easy in F1 given he never experienced life as a backmarker. Plus of course the McLaren was the fastest car last year (just not at all reliable!).
Goldrusher
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Williams-Mercedes as of 2014.
http://www.williamsf1.com/Team/Medi...s-Benz-announce-long-term-engine-partnership/
http://www.williamsf1.com/Team/Medi...s-Benz-announce-long-term-engine-partnership/
I sure am no VET fan - but that's taking things slightly out of context. Did you hear the original interview? VET was talking about having planned a two stop strategy, but being forced to a one stop by the Mercs who drove slower to make the tyres last long enough. He was clearly joking with ROS when he made that statement.
The design has been gone over by a few of the experts and they reckon it'll end up significantly different from what we see in that pic. I'm not talking so much about style, more that it's going to have quite different layout.
Still, it's a nice concept shot anyway. Certainly prettier than this one:
I realise that is colourised to highlight different bits, but it looks like an engine made by Dyson.
I hate him because he is always acting like a dick and not just for what he said there but every time he opens his mouth, shit comes out, also he acts with arrogance to his teammate and fellow compactors !
Very good move for Merc. The more teams, the higher the royalties, so they can ask for less to recoup the development costs. And more data to improve on. Well done!
Really, it's just like he's such a poor loser. Complaining about a car that's apparently much slower than you, when you can't get past them for for the whole race?
PdotMichael
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That would explain why you link an out-of-context blog entry.
"I was a bit surprised by the slow pace in the opening laps," Vettel, who had started behind the two Mercedes of Rosberg and 2008 champion Lewis Hamilton on the front row, told reporters.
"Usually you expect two silver arrows in front of you and there were two buses today going for a cruise - at least in the first couple of laps. But obviously the strategy was clear and they did a very good job.
"They were going quite slow and trying to obviously make the one stop happen. And fair play, they were in the lead, around here it's very tricky to pass."
Not sure how this is arrogant.
I guess Hamilton ignores the fact that he had the fastest car last year.
It just comes off as a bit self-righteous. Like he deserved to win. It also doesn't feel like Hamilton's particularly ignoring where he came from, as much as he is saying that he doesn't have the fastest car this year.