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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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brotkasten
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Lotus is barely moving on, because they have to pay Kimi that much. The combination really doesn't make much sense, other for their hip and cool image.
Big Takeover
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You'll think it's less cool next year when Lotus doesn't transition to the new regs like only the elite teams can.
Massa should take a hint.
There's just no point in being an embarrassment year after year
except for all the millions of $$$, but it's not like he's gonna starve if he quits F1.
I think they've had a pretty big boost already from Patrick Dempsey entering (and doing a damn good job too, I have to say). But Webber effectively "coming back" I think would be a great jolt for the sport, too.
I know it's OT, but in that particular series, how many races are there a year?
Mark Webber's retirement decision 'was a bit short notice', says Red Bull team principal Christian Horner
Hey Horner, how's "get fucked" sound?
Actually, this sounds like a pretty good "get fucked":
Actually, after that... I'm 100% confident to call Dietrich and Red Bull a key sponsor of the Porsche works team next year. Pretty sure they don't have presence in that series yet.
Hey Horner, how's "get fucked" sound?
Actually, this sounds like a pretty good "get fucked":
That's amazing.
Actually, after that... I'm 100% confident to call Dietrich and Red Bull a key sponsor of the Porsche works team next year. Pretty sure they don't have presence in that series yet.
RukusProvider
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For all my Webber slights, I'm actually looking forward to seeing him in the LMP series. I believe he'll be quite good and hope he wins a lot.
He just wasnt' a top player in F1 anymore.
He just wasnt' a top player in F1 anymore.
Is it not even on the red button?
Yeah, just checked the BBC website. It is on the red button.
Wimbeldon & Glastonbury on the red channels this weekend.
The Sky F1 show last night was pretty good. Huge amount of fans turned up for it.
Brundle had good interview with Charlie Whiting.
Tidbits:
- another setback for RBR: FIA world council decided to not just freeze the engine under the new rules, but the whole power unit. RBR had planned on two different developments, one under Infinity, one under Renault name. This is now impossible, as the other teams feared costs to be driven up again, and FIA followed this thinking. The only areas, where changes are possible is the exhaust and the intercooler. This basically buries all of RBR´s Infinity plans. The only chance would be, if Infinity would build their own engine from scratch up.
- VET pretends he only learned yesterday of the WEB decision. (laughs all around) Says he respects the decision, and that he has no say in who´ll be his next teammate.
- RBR disrupted about WEB replacement. Dr Marko wants one of the juniors, Mateschitz wants RAI. RAI admits to be in talks, so I´d say the chances are increasing to over 90% now.
- small addendum to the RBR protest against MER: their 18page paper they sent to FIA somehow found its way into the Pitlane. Some of the interesting points: they not only protested, but even went so far as to say what they expected the judges to hand out as a fine - 162 points deduction for the team at the end of the season.
- another setback for RBR: FIA world council decided to not just freeze the engine under the new rules, but the whole power unit. RBR had planned on two different developments, one under Infinity, one under Renault name. This is now impossible, as the other teams feared costs to be driven up again, and FIA followed this thinking. The only areas, where changes are possible is the exhaust and the intercooler. This basically buries all of RBR´s Infinity plans. The only chance would be, if Infinity would build their own engine from scratch up.
- VET pretends he only learned yesterday of the WEB decision. (laughs all around) Says he respects the decision, and that he has no say in who´ll be his next teammate.
- RBR disrupted about WEB replacement. Dr Marko wants one of the juniors, Mateschitz wants RAI. RAI admits to be in talks, so I´d say the chances are increasing to over 90% now.
- small addendum to the RBR protest against MER: their 18page paper they sent to FIA somehow found its way into the Pitlane. Some of the interesting points: they not only protested, but even went so far as to say what they expected the judges to hand out as a fine - 162 points deduction for the team at the end of the season.
Psychotext
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Can't say I agree with this. One of the amazing things about FIAWEC is how far they're able to take the engines each year. You've already got a limit on the amount of fuel you can use, they should be able to do whatever they want within those limits.
As for costs, given there are a limited amount of engine manufacturers I can't really see how that would affect the teams directly.
Let me explain it a little more:
Under the rules suggested by RBR it would have been possible for the engine manufacturers, to offer different specifications of the engines for different teams. Which in the end would have meant, that the customer (read: small) teams would have gotten engines not up to par with the ones for the top teams. Don´t forget: RBR´s endgame is to drive the small teams out of business.
The homologation of the whole unit now effectively blocks this. They see it as the only way, RBR is not going to undermine the rules.
In the end, this can only be good for the sport, as especially the midtier teams now have a real chance to compete.
Psychotext
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I don't agree with different specifications for different teams, but I do believe that there should be far more flexibility allowed with regard to engine development.
Sure, but this has nothing to do with todays ruling. Todays ruling only clarifies that the earlier decided engine development freeze goes for the whole drive train.
Pretends? When would he have known? Is it possible he knew before China and that's why he was such a cunt to Webber during that race?
Mateschitz himself went on record, that he knew of this decision for a couple of months already. So did a lot of people in the pits. How could he not have known?
brotkasten
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Kimi got a new hair style.
From the impression I got from that article I posted, Horner was surprised by the announcement. Maybe it was just the timing of the announcement itself, not what it was an announcement of.
There is talk that Horner and Marko actually were really surprised, which would Point to the rift within the Team to deepen.
But thats almost impossible to know for sure.
Psychotext
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Given how many of us suspected it was going to happen, that would surprise me.
KillerMan91
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After Mark leaves Kimi becomes the oldest driver in F1... How the time flies...
brotkasten
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sportzhead
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NBC just released some of the calendar for 2014 during their free practice two coverage.
First test
Jan. 16 - Jerez
Two weeks of testing at the start of Feb. either in Abu Dhabi or Bahrain, one week per track
Mach 2 - Opening Gran Prix in Bahrain
Two weeks later, Australia for round two
Four in season tests - After the four European Gran Prix. Two day test, Tuesday and Wednesday after Spain, Silverstone, Hungary, and Monza
Teams filming days have been reduced from 8 to 2.
First test
Jan. 16 - Jerez
Two weeks of testing at the start of Feb. either in Abu Dhabi or Bahrain, one week per track
Mach 2 - Opening Gran Prix in Bahrain
Two weeks later, Australia for round two
Four in season tests - After the four European Gran Prix. Two day test, Tuesday and Wednesday after Spain, Silverstone, Hungary, and Monza
Teams filming days have been reduced from 8 to 2.
brotkasten
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New penalty system for 2014:
And other regs for 2014 have passed:
And other regs for 2014 have passed:
brotkasten
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Stop being so salty, Fernando.
You only have to hope he gets the seat. The rest is a given.
Doesn't say much about mark then does it.