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[olore]

"The safety is the biggest issue, it's unacceptable. We had that tyre test to improve the tyre and to have four blowouts is unacceptable. It's only when someone gets hurt that someone will be doing something about it. I think it's a waste of time talking to the FIA, and if they don't do anything that says a lot about them."

Clear and to the point. Are the FIA those sensitive types that can slam a driver with a fine if they are too outspoken on their views of the governing body? I remember Alonso implying something a couple of years ago that almost ended with him getting a reprimand from the FIA...

Now, back to Eurosport and TdF.

 

[kharma45]

Good insight here from Gary Anderson.

 

[Mokubba]

If that's what's causing it then why is it only this year we see this much damage.

 

[kharma45]

If that's what's causing it then why is it only this year we see this much damage.

New kerbs at Silverstone plus weak sidewalls.

 

[Igo]

If that's what's causing it then why is it only this year we see this much damage.

Really weak side walls, as Gary alluded to.

 

[Mokubba]

New kerbs at Silverstone.

Oh right, I thought it was the same as last year or have they installed new ones this year?

EDIT:

Really weak side walls, as Gary alluded to.

Yea I think this is probably the reason

 

[DrM]

Really weak side walls, as Gary alluded to.

Yeah, side wall of the tyre is not strong enough to survive hard curbs and that one in turn 4 looks too high and on the 90 deg angle to the tarmac

 

[kharma45]

Oh right, I thought it was the same as last year or have they installed new ones this year?

Nope these kerbs are new for this year at Silverstone.

 

[JardeL]

It's odd that all the punctures happened to the same tyre, does suggest that something is up with the track, a bit of a raised lip on a kerb plate somewhere.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_States_Grand_Prix#Michelin_tyre_failures ]

 

[Addnan]

Raikkonen broke Schumachers record!

How many DNFs did Grosjean get in that time?

 

[TCRS]

Raikkonen broke Schumachers record!

which one?

 

[Addnan]

which one?

Consecutive points finish or is it finieshes lol. I am forgetting.

edit: its points finish

 

[NHale]

Yeah, side wall of the tyre is not strong enough to survive hard curbs and that one in turn 4 looks too high and on the 90 deg angle to the tarmac

The Singapore sling will probably do well for those tyres then.

 

[cmr-94]

Vettel gets the bad luck that was overdue

Hamilton winning would have been great. Oh well. Looks like merc have done a great job with their race pace. We may have a interesting championship fight yet

 

[DrM]

Long term weather forecast for Nürburg, Germany
Friday: Mostly cloudy, 21 deg. Celsius
Saturday: Mostly cloudy, 22 deg. Celsius
Sunday: Partly cloudy, 23 deg. Celsius

Read: Same as for Silverstone, minus rain on Friday and less windy

 

[mclem]

Has any other broadcaster picked up on Gary Anderson's theory?

 

[cmr-94]

How did Grosjean retire again?

 

[Addnan]

How did Grosjean retire again?

Not really sure. He just started going really slow towards the end and the team just bought him in.

 

[kharma45]

Has any other broadcaster picked up on Gary Anderson's theory?

Probably not, Sky at least don't have anyone as knowledgeable as Gary for a start.

 

[mclem]

Probably not, Sky at least don't have anyone as knowledgeable as Gary for a start.

Doesn't mean they couldn't have heard 'rumours in the paddock' !

 

[DrM]

How did Grosjean retire again?

He picked up some parts of debris underneath his car and looks like they damaged something. He was sparkling all over the place

 

[Psychotext]

So we should end with "Vettel luck" bullshit but start with "Alonso luck" again? That makes sense. Hilarious.

I think you might have missed the point. They both have just as much luck as bad luck, it all evens out... that's why I mentioned (ironically, but apparently not clearly enough) Alonso's "luck".

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Lewis might regret his choice of words there.

In that test, we tested a tyre that was much safer than this, I don't know why they didn't end up using it

Brawn has always insisted (even as recently as earlier today) that they didn't know what tyres they were testing.

 

[TCRS]

thanks for that bit of information suzy lol

 

[Addnan]

Lewis might regret his choice of words there.



Brawn has always insisted (even as recently as earlier today) that they didn't know what tyres they were testing.

He doesn't need to know whether its the same or a different tyre to know that it didn't blow up on him though.

 

[mclem]

God, I love the Forum. It's so endearingly shambolic!

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

He doesn't need to know whether its the same or a different tyre to know that it didn't blow up on him though.

That's true, but shhhhhh, it's not as exciting!

 

[DrM]

Brawn has always insisted (even as recently as earlier today) that they didn't know what tyres they were testing.

Maybe that is what Pirelli told them?

 

[TCRS]

God, I love the Forum. It's so endearingly shambolic!

the way she's handling that ipod she's going to drop it any moment.

 

[justjohn]

Looks like hamilton's bad luck from mclaren has followed him to Mercedes.

 

[Addnan]

Looks like hamilton's bad luck from mclaren has followed him to Mercedes.

Better than if he had stayed at McLaren.

 

[Addnan]

Anyone watching Sky post race stuff? Apparently Kimi was pretty pissed at the team (or as pissed as he gets).

Watching BBC forum, so no idea.

 

[dalin80]

Clear and to the point. Are the FIA those sensitive types that can slam a driver with a fine if they are too outspoken on their views of the governing body? I remember Alonso implying something a couple of years ago that almost ended with him getting a reprimand from the FIA...

Now, back to Eurosport and TdF.

They could throw a 'bringing the sport into disrepute' but punishing a driver for speaking out about safety after such a weekend and a time when we have lost two drivers would be an immensely bad idea.

 

[bobnowhere]

Riccardo deserved a better result. It's becoming clear, Toro Rosso's biggest problem is there complete ineptitude when it comes to strategy.

 

[moojito]

Riccardo deserved a better result. It's becoming clear, Toro Rosso's biggest problem is there complete ineptitude when it comes to strategy.

I think he's definitely doing enough to prove himself the most worthy of the two TR drivers to get the red bull seat, though.

I suppose it all depends on whether or not they get Kimi, and that maybe depends on how likely Seb is to go to Ferrari. It's been a while since we've had a decent round of F1 musical chairs.

 

[Gareth Bale]

Better than if he had stayed at McLaren.

Definitely.

 

[Addnan]

Roseberg under investigation for ignoring yellows. This could be big.

 

[Zeknurn]

Very valuable insight by Gary on the BBC Forum. I knew the kerbs was the likely culprit. Even Kimi had the same theory and as he said it was once again "the same for everybody". The drivers that cut their tyres have mostly themselves to blame.

Unless the FIA forces the drivers to stay inside the white lines we will probably see the same thing happen at Nürnbergring if any of the kerbs are sharp there as well.

I think it's pretty clever of Hamilton to say the tyres are unsafe because it from what I understand means that FIA can forcefully introduce them without the agreement from all the team. Lotus will no doubt keep vetoing any tyre changes but this will negatively effect them.

edit: I'm still waiting for anyone to say anything about the unsafe release of Alonso.

 

[DrM]

Roseberg under investigation for ignoring yellows. This could be big.

Reprimand probably

 

[Sloane]

Reprimand probably

Nah, if he actually ignored yellows, it's Webber's win.

 

[cmr-94]

The drivers that cut their tyres have mostly themselves to blame.

hahahaha

 

[Jezbollah]

New kerbs at Silverstone plus weak sidewalls.

Alonso doesnt have that opinion.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...en-a-problem-at-Silverstone-amid-tyre-fallout

 

[bobnowhere]

Roseberg under investigation for ignoring yellows. This could be big.

He'll probably be fine for the win at least. Seems as though he went through a section too fast while the yellow was out, during a safety car period probably. 5 place grid penalty in Germany at most I imagine.

 

[DrM]

Alan Baldwin @alanbaldwinf1
Reprimand for Nico Rosberg. That's it.

told ya

 

[BlazeGaj]

Very valuable insight by Gary on the BBC Forum. I knew the kerbs was the likely culprit. Even Kimi had the same theory and as he said it was once again "the same for everybody". The drivers that cut their tyres have mostly themselves to blame.

Unless the FIA forces the drivers to stay inside the white lines we will probably see the same thing happen at Nürnbergring if any of the kerbs are sharp there as well.

I think it's pretty clever of Hamilton to say the tyres are unsafe because it from what I understand means that FIA can forcefully introduce them without the agreement from all the team. Lotus will no doubt keep vetoing any tyre changes but this will negatively effect them.

edit: I'm still waiting for anyone to say anything about the unsafe release of Alonso.

While that played some part of it. If we look at this vid
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8799606/davidson-analyses-tyre-failures

some of it happened before it. It's just embarrassing all around.

 

[Road]

Just finished watching the race... WTF...

At the same time most amusing race of the year so far.

 

[DrM]

There will be emergency FIA meeting on Wednesday in Paris due to today events
Source

Although Pirelli is taking the brunt of criticism after the British GP, it must be said that the reason that changes were not made to the tyres used at Silverstone was because the teams were unable to agree with one another.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/formula-1/8799673/raikkonen-team-made-wrong-call

What a frustrating race.. Can't people just learn to listen to Kimi??

and LOL @ the second reply.. he's obviously really really pissed..

 

[kharma45]

Alonso doesnt have that opinion.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...en-a-problem-at-Silverstone-amid-tyre-fallout

"I don't think that the kerbs have any influence because I have been racing 12 years now in Silverstone and the kerbs they were never a problem"

That's because they're newly laid for this year.

 

[Addnan]

GP2 and GP3 raced there this weekend and some of those guys drive harder than F1, none of their tyres got cut on any curbs.

Mix of dodgy tyres + new curbs is probably the fault.