I wondered that. Were they banned from that test specifically or the young driver test.
Can't imaging it going down well if they were allowed to test. Again. There isn't enough salt.
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I wondered that. Were they banned from that test specifically or the young driver test.
Can't imaging it going down well if they were allowed to test. Again. There isn't enough salt.
Couple small things:
- ROS got protested by RBR (surprise!) for allegedly ignoring yellow between turn 4 and 5 under yellow. He had a purple time in this sector. He had to show his telemetry data, which showed he slowed enough - thanks to the new tyres he was still able to best the sector.
- First GP won by four different Germans: Graf Berghe von Trips (Aintree), MSC, VET and ROS (Silverstone).
- Looks like the cuts in the tyres came from the newly installed drainage system, especially a gully in turn 4. Everything else you hear now is politics, teams trying to force more testing days.
- LOT car is illegal. The have four instead of three suspension points on the front axle. For some reason this hadn´t been seen by FIA technical team, as this was behind the break drums. A MCL photographer saw this, and MCL protested. LOT has to change this before the German GP.
- SAU almost done financially. They talk to Gazprom and Sberbank to become new sponsors, otherwise they could be out of business by next year. Allegedly this year is safe - to race. But development has all but stopped (they even rent out their wind tunnel to Audi to make money), and they don´t pay HUL anymore. Which means his option for next year is void, and he could go to a new team.
- ROS got protested by RBR (surprise!) for allegedly ignoring yellow between turn 4 and 5 under yellow. He had a purple time in this sector. He had to show his telemetry data, which showed he slowed enough - thanks to the new tyres he was still able to best the sector.
- First GP won by four different Germans: Graf Berghe von Trips (Aintree), MSC, VET and ROS (Silverstone).
- Looks like the cuts in the tyres came from the newly installed drainage system, especially a gully in turn 4. Everything else you hear now is politics, teams trying to force more testing days.
- LOT car is illegal. The have four instead of three suspension points on the front axle. For some reason this hadn´t been seen by FIA technical team, as this was behind the break drums. A MCL photographer saw this, and MCL protested. LOT has to change this before the German GP.
- SAU almost done financially. They talk to Gazprom and Sberbank to become new sponsors, otherwise they could be out of business by next year. Allegedly this year is safe - to race. But development has all but stopped (they even rent out their wind tunnel to Audi to make money), and they don´t pay HUL anymore. Which means his option for next year is void, and he could go to a new team.
Yes, they would. They even already agreed to it - given this test would be a pure tyre test.
What do you expect me to say?
- we could already have new tyres with stronger, Kevlar reinforced sidewalls, if LOT hadn´t vetoed them
- several teams drove with very low tyre pressure to make them last longer, which increased the vulnerability to the cuts from the gully
- if you watched TV closely, you saw the photo with the cuts that Newey studied, and heard RBR radio VET telling him they increased the pressure
Suck it haters.
I've not seen the replays, but was the release unsafe, or was Alonso just slow out of the box?
You can still find sponsors - but F1 in itself is just getting too expensive. Lets hope, that the new rules from next year on really help in this regard.
It was at least close. I just wonder, why I didn´t hear of an investigation by the stuarts.
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Alonso got so damn close.
This reminds me... ALO said he got hit by metal particles - which means the new glue seems to work as advertised, with the rubber still connected to the carcass even after blowing up
Oh, one more small thing:
When WEB got asked why he quit, he said something to the tune, that he´d wanted to quit while at the top, and didn´t want to fight for places 7 to 9.
So that means either:
- RBR wouldn´t have given him a contract, so he´d had to settle with a lesser team
or
- he´s not confident in RBR´s next years performance
When WEB got asked why he quit, he said something to the tune, that he´d wanted to quit while at the top, and didn´t want to fight for places 7 to 9.
So that means either:
- RBR wouldn´t have given him a contract, so he´d had to settle with a lesser team
or
- he´s not confident in RBR´s next years performance
systemfehler
Member
Probably the former, after everything what went down the road I doubt there would be a scenario for both Webber and Vettel in the same team. Webber is a brilliant driver but without a top team it is hard to compete for the pole position. At least this is my impression and some discussion in Austrian TV (Alex Wurz is commentator here). However with new engines I guess next season will be more interesting especially which team did their homework well and which team slacked - this could at least in the first couple of races be a important factor. After that I fear every "cool new thing" will be either allowed for everybody or forbidden...
Or that he doesn't have confidence in his passion to win any more. He lacks motivation for me but don't get me wrong, I don't put the blame on hime. Clearly his teams supports Sebastian and doesn't care about him for the last 3 years. Nothing more needs to be said after the last race of 2010.
Terrifying thing about this is that if Alonso goes left instead of right he gets full face of shite.
I thought from the sound of it that RBR (Horner specifically) were upset that he gave them such short notice. I assume that was in terms of the season but maybe it was relative to Silverstone. But the former was what I gathered.
Maybe Newey is on his way out, hence the possible expectation they might not have a race-winning car? What's his relationship with Webber like compared to Vettel?
Or maybe he knows something about the other teams indicating they'll have next year on lock. Hmm.
I was surprised it wasn't investigated.
But Alonso slowed down and nearly stopped to let the lotus(?) in to their box. So Ferrari lost out by the unsafe release and it wasn't that close to an accident so maybe that's why?
PdotMichael
Banned
And why did he extend his contract with Red Bull twice since 2010?
The drama is more about that all people know that Red Bull need a new driver now. Not the best position if you talk with other drivers. Normally you would announce it at the end of the season and all are happy.
b-b-buttt Pirelli tyres are dangerous hurr durr.
surprise surprise it wasn't them in the end, i did say yesterday about people jumping to conclusions and just looking to rag on Pirelli.
PdotMichael
Banned
That the tires are dangerous and a joke.
Adrian loves cars, not people
It is said, that AN is getting a little lackluster, as from next year on the engines will be more important than the car design, so his importance would diminish. If that's true, I cannot say.
I never denied that. I just pointed out, that they are exactly what the FIA ordered, and several teams vetoed to change. So my take is that the finger pointing towards Pirelli is wrong.
I have to agree with the above. Its the FIA, F1 teams fault as much as Pirelli.
FIA for mandating tyres with short life span and also sticking with 13" rims.
F1 teams for vetoing the change in tyre construction at Canada and also the leading F1 teams for running rear tyres out of spec on orientation & tyre pressure.
If you watched the F1 aftershow on Sky, Davidson had some great close-ups of the flexing of the sidewalls on the Red Bull & Mercedes.
That much sidewall flex due to lower tyre pressure and current construction lead to what we had yesterday with tyres exploding due to damage from kerbs
PdotMichael
Banned
If the gully wasn't sharp like a razor blade, there is no excuse why modern F1 tires can't handle it.
And pretty sure highly vulnerable tires weren't part of the deal with the FIA.
Its exactly like navanman explained: tyres designed for a short(er) lifespan, run by the teams outside the specifications.
Ask the teams why they didn´t make a stink when mostly LOT and to a lesser degree FOI vetoed changes.
Nicktendo86
Member
lol, read the autosport analysis. It was a combination of factors, yes the kerbs but also the steel belts in this year's tyres instead of Kevlar and the softer compounds. Others said here yesterday that older F1 tyres wouldn't have had a problem with the kerbs and that is true. Not sure why you are so defensive of Pirelli, it is pretty obvious that they have made shit tyres that are unable to hold up to much.
Edit - the teams are also to blame for runnign the tyres at too low pressure for extra performance.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108479
Well, with the newly installed drainage system, we´ll never know for sure.
Sorry, this wont be possible.
The last reliable data I remember is more than fifteen years old, when teams basically put out standardized price lists, where you could choose by size, spot and placement.
But then it became usual to do individual deals, which neither side is too willing to disclose. Even the estimates sometimes written in the media for the larger deals could be way off.
Tickets to young drivers test. http://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/f1-young-drivers-test/
Kinda tempted to go on the Friday. I don't have much to do.
Kinda tempted to go on the Friday. I don't have much to do.
Dereck Warwick is adamant that Silverstone's kerbs are not to blame.
He also reckons the FIA should force the new Pirellis into effect, even if the teams don't agree. Which I think is sensible.
He also reckons the FIA should force the new Pirellis into effect, even if the teams don't agree. Which I think is sensible.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
This will be decided on Wednesday.
Update on the tyres:
Adrian Newey thinks with Pirellis new tyres (as tested in Montreal) the problems wouldn´t have happened. He hopes the FIA will force LOT and FOI to retract their veto on the Kevlar versions. Said the problems were less when they raised the pressure by 2 psi.
Its notable that neither LOT nor FOI, which are famous for going light on their tyres, had any troubles yesterday. Alan Permane said they hadn´t had a single cut. Otmar Szafnauer said they hadn´t had any problems, he thinks its because they followed Pirellis specifications to the letter.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Pirelli were running kevlar tyres yesterday?
Explains the explosions, no steel belt, they might as well throw the rule book in the bin and have a free-for-all.
Joke sport.
Explains the explosions, no steel belt, they might as well throw the rule book in the bin and have a free-for-all.
Joke sport.
Pirelli were running kevlar tyres yesterday?
Explains the blowouts, no steel belt, they might as well throw the rule book in the bin and have a free-for-all.
Wait - what?? That´d be big! Where did you get this info? Even ALO said he got hit by metal parts from the tyres, so not everyone had them??
Pirelli were running kevlar tyres yesterday?
Explains the explosions, no steel belt, they might as well throw the rule book in the bin and have a free-for-all.
Joke sport.
IIRC the tyres did have metal in them, and the tread did seem to come apart from the tyre entirely in one lump.
The issue recently was that they were going to introduce (reintroduce?) kevlar sidewalls but it was veto'd.
Massa had some magic boost button right. This is ridiculous.
I always imagine massa racing with a finite skill bar for the season. He used a huge chunk of his resources on that start.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Sauber and McLaren say kevlar and steel...
according to Marca
Pirelli need to disappear.
Sky slash the odds on Button replacing Webber at Red Bull, J