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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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lol, still funny. "Lewis! gtfo! you're down at Merc now!"
Amusing, given their current relative pace. The only thing that could have made that cock up more hilarious would be if McLaren had a rocket ship this year and the Merc was another disaster.
Psychotext
Member
Hard to imagine Kimi doing to Vettel what Mark has either.
Not that I imagine Kimi being massively supportive of his teammates in a championship fight. I can't say I really remember him in his Ferrari days.
Psychotext
Member
"Leave me alone, I know that I've crashed him"
He won't leave. The best chance for him to ensure Seb doesn't get a fourth WDC is to challenge him at every opportunity possible. And given the difference in pace at both Australia and Malaysia, that could well be every race.
Giedo Van Der Gardener
brotkasten
Member
Where was he in 2011 and 2012?
Complaining about the tyres.
Psychotext
Member
If it wasn't for a stupid call to swap to dry tyres too early (Seriously, why on earth didn't they let someone else take the risk?) then Vettel would have been some way up the road.
I wouldn't expect that to happen every race.
He moved over for Massa in China 08, I'm pretty sure.
I'd like to think that any respectable team-mate would do that.
As long as they aren't Webber or Button.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ2cS3T6rqM&feature=player_detailpage#t=186s
Horner thinks they were both going for it and were in the same engine mode, but will have to check to be sure.
Horner thinks they were both going for it and were in the same engine mode, but will have to check to be sure.
Psychotext
Member
As has been previously stated, anyone who thinks Webber didn't instantly turn everything up really doesn't know Webber at all.
...and again, you just can't defend against a DRS assisted car like Webber did (nor come back at him on the next couple of laps) without using everything at your disposal.
...and again, you just can't defend against a DRS assisted car like Webber did (nor come back at him on the next couple of laps) without using everything at your disposal.
Seriously who actually thinks webber turned his engine down?
As soon as he came out of the pits he was in a fight for the win with vettel for 3 laps.
When did he turn his settings down? During their fight in the first corner or the drs straights that followed?
This is the same guy that has always talked shit about his team and the chances he got from them. Always was going on and one about being a number 2 driver although that never was really the case. Not even last year when they let him fight for the win at monaco when they could have easly asked webber to slow the pack down so vettel could be first after his pit stop.
the same guy that fought vettel at silverstone and almost refused to help vettel last year at brazil. He basically let alonso pass him without any difficulties.
Yeah i dont think vettel should have apologized. Just man up and take responsibility for your choice not to give the win to webber.
Also vettel was really fucked on his 1st stop. but thats a different matter.
As soon as he came out of the pits he was in a fight for the win with vettel for 3 laps.
When did he turn his settings down? During their fight in the first corner or the drs straights that followed?
This is the same guy that has always talked shit about his team and the chances he got from them. Always was going on and one about being a number 2 driver although that never was really the case. Not even last year when they let him fight for the win at monaco when they could have easly asked webber to slow the pack down so vettel could be first after his pit stop.
the same guy that fought vettel at silverstone and almost refused to help vettel last year at brazil. He basically let alonso pass him without any difficulties.
Yeah i dont think vettel should have apologized. Just man up and take responsibility for your choice not to give the win to webber.
Also vettel was really fucked on his 1st stop. but thats a different matter.
Wasn't that Vettel's stupid call?
So when ever something bad goes down its vettel's call? Its the teams call to get him in or not. Dont you hear all those radio messages about box now box now.
They should have left him on the track in stead of putting him into traffic.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
I remember seeing 2.7 and I think 2.4 on one. That's incredible.
i dont think there was a 2,4 stop i think it was 2,6.
since 2,6 was a record by mclaren.
RBR were on fire yesterday with their stops.
Fastest is 2.31 by McLaren done last year
http://www.formula1onlive.com/2012/06/mclaren-posted-fastest-pitstop-in-f1.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOfYsMnWnPQ
http://www.nu.nl/sport/3380390/rivalen-webber-en-vettel-schudden-elkaar-hand.html
im sorry its in dutch.
Wauw 2,3 is freaking fast. RBR were close though this weekend.
im sorry its in dutch.
Wauw 2,3 is freaking fast. RBR were close though this weekend.
brotkasten
Member
I don't remember hearing those messages, I thought it was more along the lines of "Let us know when you're ready to come in". Pretty sure it wasn't something as urgent as calling him in right away.
But if there's transcripts, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
Diablo Rosso
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lol, still funny. "Lewis! gtfo! you're down at Merc now!"
That was funny. You could tell when he realised because he was about to stop but started to accelerate again.
I wish we had a video of the stop from this perspective:
The most beautiful example of teamwork in sport!
James Allen - Analysis: Why did Vettel ignore team orders and pass Webber? Interesting read.
To clarify (my memory's a bit hazy this morning) James Allen is the guy who always runs through rule changes and regulations with diagrams and such for the laymen to understand, yes?
To clarify (my memory's a bit hazy this morning) James Allen is the guy who always runs through rule changes and regulations with diagrams and such for the laymen to understand, yes?
RomanticHeroX
Member
I wish we had a video of the stop from this perspective:
What do I have to do to get a job as one of the guys who hugs Alonso?
Psychotext
Member
Sort of, but the point is you'd think you'd have strategists working that out rather than relying on the driver to call it. Frankly I was surprised when Rocky even asked him about it. Seemed at least a lap too early if not more.
Ask the driver if they think they can handle the change, but have the big brains working out if it's the right move at the right time.
I wasn't a fan of Vettel before and I'm still not. I'm not a huge Webber fan either. I just wish this happened in a race when a race was following the week after so there will be something else to talk about. We have 3 weeks until China.
I can't see the forum giving a toss for much more than a couple more days unless some new news comes out related to it. Pretty much all that can be said has been said.
Have a university degree in Race Engineering and a couple of years experience in various racing teams in different competitions.
At least, that was the case for someone I went to university with who is now at Williams.
Jesus. You are a lunatic. It does nothing at all that you have suggested. A reasonable reply would have been "Nah, I've watched F1 for ages, I love it but this part gets me angry'. That is a reasonable reply, not paragraphs of anger and some weird connection of me to 'love it or leave it' people.
Anyway, have fun with F1 I guess.
I think you are thing of ScarbsF1, Craig Scarborough. James Allen was the ITV tv commentator along with Brundle before they moved to BBC. He was terrible as a race commentator, but since then he does pretty good work as a feature journalist.
ForzaFerrari
Neo Member
I wish we had a video of the stop from this perspective:
Poetry.
Psychotext
Member
So what are the huggers doing anyway? Stabilising the car?
Another interesting article: Joe Saward - What Sebastian Vettel might learn from Shakespeare…
Covers a lot of points far more eloquently and concisely than I ever could. No idea if he's known as a good writer or not, but seems to remain level headed in that piece.
Surprised at the number of comments, though. Guess we'll see that sort of thing on every blog that has an opinion piece regarding what happened on the weekend.
He does do quite a good job for them. I'm actually surprised he's only doing features for Ten rather than some other international station (although he may do, just a quick change of shirt and microphone badge and he's on his way).
Covers a lot of points far more eloquently and concisely than I ever could. No idea if he's known as a good writer or not, but seems to remain level headed in that piece.
Surprised at the number of comments, though. Guess we'll see that sort of thing on every blog that has an opinion piece regarding what happened on the weekend.
Bang on. I kept wondering how Channel Ten could get someone so technically minded to work on their team. That explains it!
He does do quite a good job for them. I'm actually surprised he's only doing features for Ten rather than some other international station (although he may do, just a quick change of shirt and microphone badge and he's on his way).
I should go for that role at RBR. Then accidentally "miss" each time and hug Mark instead. He probably needs that at the moment
Sleeplessnights
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Lewis wants everything Jenson has, his family, support, friends, girlfriend and his mistakes!
That Joe Saward article raises an issue that has been mentioned a few times, Horner's lack of authority compared to Brawns. I get the impression from this and other articles that Horner tries to use a soft touch in controlling the team that may not be working as intended. Brawn on the otherhand does not worry about niceties, he just tells people what to do and they do it.Another interesting article: Joe Saward - What Sebastian Vettel might learn from Shakespeare
Covers a lot of points far more eloquently and concisely than I ever could. No idea if he's known as a good writer or not, but seems to remain level headed in that piece.
Surprised at the number of comments, though. Guess we'll see that sort of thing on every blog that has an opinion piece regarding what happened on the weekend.
Bang on. I kept wondering how Channel Ten could get someone so technically minded to work on their team. That explains it!
He does do quite a good job for them. I'm actually surprised he's only doing features for Ten rather than some other international station (although he may do, just a quick change of shirt and microphone badge and he's on his way).
I should go for that role at RBR. Then accidentally "miss" each time and hug Mark instead. He probably needs that at the moment
I consider him good, and that article sums up the whole situation nicely. He's actually part of the travelling F1 circus - you will sometimes see him asking questions in the press conferences.
fu3lfr3nzy
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I'll keep an eye on him then, for sure. I didn't know whether the tsunami of comments on that article was indicative of every single article on the issue or whether it was because he's a good journalist.
Also saw that he wrote this, sounds really interesting:
I'm thinking the same thing. I suppose it was never really an issue since Seb joined the team and started winning (ergo, the "preference to the WDC leader" always applied to Vettel), but it could explain why a lot of the decisions made in the past could've been pushed on Horner from someone like Marko. Not necessarily all of them, but the wing incident at Silverstone 2010 could be an obvious indicator.
I'd love to know just how different the team could've been had Mark won the WDC in 2010. You'd almost have to say that it'd be a drastically different culture at RBR today if that were the case.
marvelharvey
Member
It's a great book... and based on a true story.Also saw that he wrote this, sounds really interesting:
Sleeplessnights
Banned
I can't explain the joke, that would ruin the art.
I was just looking up the exact details on the wing thing in 2010 and I'd *completely* forgotten about this piece of information from it:
I think there'll be a lot more politics going on behind the doors of RBR than just that b/w people like Horner, Webber, Vettel and Marko (and other people at that "executive"-type level). The flow-on to the other team members will be interesting to gauge (if that's at all possible). I started following one of them on Twitter the other day (because of this) so I'm curious to see what he says, if anything.
Even though it wasn't the fault of the mechanics, I wonder if there may be a similar (if more muted) feeling in the garage this time around? Or perhaps even Vettel's mechanics feel frustrated with his behaviour as well as Webber's?
I think there'll be a lot more politics going on behind the doors of RBR than just that b/w people like Horner, Webber, Vettel and Marko (and other people at that "executive"-type level). The flow-on to the other team members will be interesting to gauge (if that's at all possible). I started following one of them on Twitter the other day (because of this) so I'm curious to see what he says, if anything.
If he removes his red glasses...
bobnowhere
Member
Another interesting article: Joe Saward - What Sebastian Vettel might learn from Shakespeare
Covers a lot of points far more eloquently and concisely than I ever could. No idea if he's known as a good writer or not, but seems to remain level headed in that piece.
Surprised at the number of comments, though. Guess we'll see that sort of thing on every blog that has an opinion piece regarding what happened on the weekend.
Nice article. I don't think he has damaged his reputation in the eye's of his fans, maybe be even increased it, or in the eye of the general every two weeks viewing public but he has definitely damaged his rep in the eye of the commetariat. It's these people that 20 years from now when they sit down to write his life story they are going to write "Fantastic driver, 9 times world champion, but..." I imagine when Vettel sits down and really thinks about it I suspect he will genuinely regret the incident.
Anyway at least it's given us something to fill the 3 long weeks until china.
I thought of another scenario on the way home, something to think about: What if this results in Vettel leaving RBR? Seb may have always thought "Sure, equal drivers, but everyone knows I'm #1 around here", but then this situation comes along and with how public it's been, may throw him off balance to see that the people who have final say in the team actually care more about team performance (and public perception of that team) rather than just the performance of one driver.
I dunno. I mean, there's been talk before of him jumping ship before this event, but if RBR can get wins for the team without Vettel (and there's every indication they could with Webber... though probably not as consistently) then they may not be as eager as everyone would think to make sure he stays there.
I dunno. I mean, there's been talk before of him jumping ship before this event, but if RBR can get wins for the team without Vettel (and there's every indication they could with Webber... though probably not as consistently) then they may not be as eager as everyone would think to make sure he stays there.