I think Vettel is free to do whatever he feels will benefit himself best professionally, and everyone else is free to judge his character based on how he presents himself to the public.
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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I think Vettel is free to do whatever he feels will benefit himself best professionally, and everyone else is free to judge his character based on how he presents himself to the public.
You make it sound like every World Champion talked / behaved like that.
I think Vettel is free to do whatever he feels will benefit himself best professionally, and everyone else is free to judge his character based on how he presents himself to the public.
Yeah, I´d sign that.
How many nice guys won several titles?
Look, I´m far from defending VET, but I do think there is a pattern.
Psychotext
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You must be new to sport. Plus you seem to have forgotten what an arsehole Schumacher was... though at least he generally had the balls to wear it with pride.
I certainly think that there's a reasonable pattern that multiple world champions have stepped on a lot of toes. Although I'm not really certain how many multiple world champions have been perceived as shitting all over their own team for their own glory. I feel that sticks out to me.
If Vettel is just being a total dick to everyone else on the track, I think that would be expected to a certain extend. I just don't understand why he has to come out and say things like Webber not deserving to win, how he will ignore team orders again, and then going on to say that Webber has never helped him as a team mate anyway. It feels like a really unprofessional airing of dirty laundry. Horner can't possibly be pleased with this going into the next race.
Nothing beats parking your car right at the end of the pitlane after qualifying for pole! WHOOPS!!!!
If Vettel is just being a total dick to everyone else on the track, I think that would be expected to a certain extend. I just don't understand why he has to come out and say things like Webber not deserving to win, how he will ignore team orders again, and then going on to say that Webber has never helped him as a team mate anyway. It feels like a really unprofessional airing of dirty laundry. Horner can't possibly be pleased with this going into the next race.
Nothing beats parking your car right at the end of the pitlane after qualifying for pole! WHOOPS!!!!
Psychotext
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It still surprises me that we're ok (and yeah, that includes me) with ignoring orders and all the public ranting about Red Bull (and Vettel) that Webber has done over the years, but as soon as Vettel has a go he's roundly turned on.
Is it because as a winner we feel he's got no right to say anything? I'd have certainly felt aggrieved at Webber's lack of support (and saying publicly that he wouldn't support me), just as Webber is justifiably aggrieved at what he saw as Vettel's preferential treatment.
Is it because as a winner we feel he's got no right to say anything? I'd have certainly felt aggrieved at Webber's lack of support (and saying publicly that he wouldn't support me), just as Webber is justifiably aggrieved at what he saw as Vettel's preferential treatment.
I tend to disagree here. Thinking of Piquets Brabham-->Williams defection. Senna-Prost and Lauda-Prost duels not caring for the best of their team, Schumachers Benetton flight, Alonso with McLaren and so on.
Yes it does. Maybe that's a sign that WEB will be out by seasons end, and VET just simply not giving a fuck anymore?
I could almost tolerate that, but then saying he'll probably do it again breaks his whole argument down.
I like Vettel. I really do. But I'm losing a lot of respect for him over this stuff. He keeps digging himself into a hole. I would've preferred a: "We are racing drivers, we are here to win." or "This was my chance to race against a car as fast as mine." than all these fake apologies and displays of arrogance.
I think defections are fine, if Vettel isn't happy at Red Bull, maybe he should leave. If he doesn't plan on leaving though, shitting on his own team publicly seems crass. Teammates having having infighting can be bad for a team, and I guess those examples are fair.
That Alonso example though, I will not accept! Lol. I feel McLaren deserved everything they got, and Alonso not covering up for the team is something which made me respect him more. Although, there will always been questions of integrity clouding him with regards to his time at Renault. I certainly hope he truly had no knowledge of what was going on... but who knows.
How so? Isn´t this the very definition of "shitting on your own team" for personal gain.
IMO he only did this for personal gain - as an excuse to not help HAM win the WDC, and to force his way out to FER.
Although, there will always been questions of integrity clouding him with regards to his time at Renault. I certainly hope he truly had no knowledge of what was going on... but who knows.
I do not believe for a single second, that the whole team knew, but only ALO was white as daylight.
Psychotext
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He clearly didn't know about the Piquet thing either... yes.
YMMV, but: 2009.
One of the few exceptions that prove the rule... ;P
brotkasten
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And he'll be forgotten, like Hill or Villeneuve. lHeck, I still forget that Button actually managed to win a championship. He's going to be the guy who won the WDC before Vettel.
Yes, it's my first F1 season, you got me.
Schumacher was an asshole, no question about it, he pulled a lot of shit on and off the track, probably had more than a few incidents with Rubens and, yes, that might happen on almost every team -- but I can't remember any top driver of the last twenty years or so who has shown so little respect for his teammate.
What makes it even worse it that Vettel apologized three weeks ago and only now that he knows that Webber will be gone by the end of the season and the team is standing behind him, he actually "has the guts" to say Webber didn't deserve to win, wtf. He just sounds like a childish little bully.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if RBR got rid off Webber before the end of the season.
Webber's not going anywhere right now. RBR has the best chance at the constructors, so hes staying put. off season he is gone. no way in hell he stays there.
I was thinking about it the other day, but i think RBR will have trouble getting a top driver to replace Webber. Vettel has given a bad face to the team, and has shown that he is clearly the priority no matter what.
Kimi might be the only one that could go, cause he truly doesnt give a shit.
didnt get to see the practice, how did Lewis look?
I was thinking about it the other day, but i think RBR will have trouble getting a top driver to replace Webber. Vettel has given a bad face to the team, and has shown that he is clearly the priority no matter what.
Kimi might be the only one that could go, cause he truly doesnt give a shit.
didnt get to see the practice, how did Lewis look?
Big Takeover
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The drivers always get a disproportional percent of the blame when their team mismanages, and creates these problems for them. Sure, the words often come from their mouths, so it's easy to affix the issue to them, but really the bullshit starts at the top. The Horner/Marko/Mateschitz trio does not work in harmony, and has poisoned the rest of the well. The team has put both Vettel and Webber in shitty positions. I don't have the slightest problem with anything Vettel or Webber has done or said. Their actions have been inevitable.
For now, yes, but if Vettel and Webber ever happen to have "an incident" like Turkey 2010 this year, I'm not so sure RBR would keep him.
Psychotext
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I keep watching for the usual Hollywood change up turbo boost or the "half throttle on straight before slamming foot down"... so far, nothing!
This is good.
Doesn't mean you have to ignore that sort of rubbish. I can appreciate a lot more than pure out to win cuntishness in a driver. I know a lot of people disagree, but if you can win without being a prick, you are a vastly better driver in my estimation.
brotkasten
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This looks really good. It's a shame that this is going to bomb.
Exactly. Lauda's crash seems to be exactly as it was in real life. Not that it wasn't spectacular enough already but you'd expect something like that from hollywood.
I was thinking something similar too. Whoever they get has to be able to get high positions like Webber can while also accepting that they will always be the number two driver while Vettel is there.
PdotMichael
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he has some allergic reaction
No, it doesn´t. And I too wish ROS would win a couple more races.
Twenty years you say? Aside from MSC, being the biggest vettel of them all, I can give you Prost, Senna, Villeneuve and Alonso, and this list only includes drivers who became champions to meet your "top driver" qualifier.
Lewis managed 27 laps on medium component. We will see some interesting decisions tomorrow and this one will be another miss and miss in GP predictor
The Merc runs fantastic on the prime, and like shit on the option. They say it feels like you´d need two different setups for the different tyres.
Psychotext
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It's funny, because I think Monaco is a borefest, but then I'm not drinking champagne trackside whilst being noshed by aspiring actresses.
Champagne and blowjobs for all!
Psychotext
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Oops
It's funny, because I think Monaco is a borefest, but then I'm not drinking champagne trackside whilst being noshed by aspiring actresses.
I don't mind Monaco, not my favorite but still like it. I'd take the bolded above at Valencia or Bahrain and enjoy myself I think, lol.
[edit] champagne and bjs? Bring on the most uninspried Tilke track ever and I'll be there, lol. (actually champagne is not very good imo, add OJ, I'll settle for mimosa's).
Psychotext
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Sold!
Everyone is struggling on the option, some more, some less, but degradation is quite insane with option tire, so how will they race with it? Risk being around 8th place and qualify with prime or risk on option and go into the pits in lap 6?
Big Takeover
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Let me paint a different picture for you...
You're the three times defending World Champion, your team marks you the unofficial #1 driver in deference to your teammates feelings, you're in the 2nd race of what's looking to be a hard fought season, you catch and could easily pass and pull away from your unlikely to seriously contend teammate to score additional valuable points, and your team demands you don't advance your position because they're following guidelines that were, at least in part, in place to help you, and the reason they're doing so is to create a false sense of worth for said #2 driver (and to cut down on his whining).
If I were Vettel, I'd be one one thinking I was being disrespected.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but I certainly see why he's flippant towards the team and to Mark (although I don't think it's personal). They've given him no choice but to be a dick.
Pretty sure I couldn't get that. The best I could hope for is Rue McClanahan.You should try this one day.Psychotext said:
Big Takeover
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Oh man, you could make a huge run to the tunnel by expanding that way. They'd never do it of course. It's borderline too dangerous as it is.
Is this the grassy hills below the palace? Nice party location after action.
I know that everyone here knows how this ended, but I hate this kind of trailers that completely spoil the story for anyone who haven't seen the movie or know the story.