Yes, because people never celebrate their poles to not hurt their teammates feelings. They would especially not wave to their friends ond families in their home town.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Yes, because people never celebrate their poles to not hurt their teammates feelings. They would especially not wave to their friends ond families in their home town.
massivekettle
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He knows Lewis is behind him, that's all he needs really. No other people could have been his time other than Lewis.
HAM was the last driver on track, with a larger gap to the one in front of him. My money is on the marshalls waving ROS back.
Hamilton only needed to improve by 0.055 to beat the current best time. He improved his own S1 from 19.973 to 19.906, so he was definitely within that window.
Rosberg however did not improve his own S1 and suddenly caused a yellow flag in front of Hamilton.
I understand people take sides because they have affection for drivers, but this was a pretty shitty move that ruined the show and likely turned their own garage a bit sour. Though I still hope we get to watch Hamilton chasing Rosberg tomorrow for some excitement.
Rosberg however did not improve his own S1 and suddenly caused a yellow flag in front of Hamilton.
I understand people take sides because they have affection for drivers, but this was a pretty shitty move that ruined the show and likely turned their own garage a bit sour. Though I still hope we get to watch Hamilton chasing Rosberg tomorrow for some excitement.
Vivalaraza
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What kind of data might prove, or at least suggest, that Rosberg did it on purpose?
massivekettle
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That's a hollow pole, though. Because he ruined everyone else's qualifying. Celebrating when you made a mistake is not exactly a display of sportmanship and class.
Whether ROS is cleared or not, his high moral status is now on shaking grounds.
theignoramus
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He got pole in a dodgy way. His exuberant celebration after the fact was ridiculous.
So? There were yellow flags out. Hamilton couldn't have beaten Rosberg whether he reversed or didn't reverse.
He still drove the quickest lap. Whats not to celebrate, when your friends and family stand right there and cheer you on?
massivekettle
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Doesn't look shady to me... Seems to be trying to get the rear under control/avoid a lock up due to late braking. Again, telemetry will show what actually happened either way.
Psychotext
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That was what got me. It looked like it was turning in.
massivekettle
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Actually, giving him a 5 or 10-place drop makes the race much better. We will have a much faster car trying to come back onto the podium and potentially winning the race.
Tomorrow will be a procession as always (if it stays as is).
If he gets penalized there is 0 chance of him winning outside of some weather or crash related miracle. It is just too hard to pass at Monaco.
massivekettle
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In sporting terms, Michael Schumacher in 2006 at Monaco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwNU79-tZA
theignoramus
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Id prefer Rosberg stay on pole and get overtaken in the race.
Similar steering movements to Rosberg, haha.
Psychotext
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How am take corner?
massivekettle
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Yes it does. Why doing all this waggling, unless you wanted to lock your front wheels (perhaps)? Just very odd steering wheel shens from someone in a top car in a fight for pole (and who's never put a foot wrong so far this weekend, or maybe in his career at Monaco).
Duuude, have you ever been there, no matter if wlaking or with your own car?!
massivekettle
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Also, very telling that we did not get any footage from the Mercedes team celebrating...
massivekettle
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I have been watching F1 for the last 18 years. This was just very odd. I have also driven on the Monaco track (albeit casually).
Did he do it on purpose or not? Who knows.
He can still get a penalty for reversing onto the track, though, which was reckless (more so at Monaco, than at any other track on the calendar).
Then you know, if you don´t perfectly Slalom down there, the rear will get very light and you get a lot of oversteer. The new Surface they put on for this year has defo more grip, and that makes it actually easier to make a mistake there.
Yes, this is true. And will depend on why he did it.
massivekettle
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You slalom over the big bump which is much higher up on the straight than where he was doing his "slalom". He was slaloming in the braking zone (it appears he braked very late, as his speed trap at S1 is 7kph higher than his previous high.
Nicktendo86
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Seems like a slam dunk to me, if the lock up was intentional or not is irrelevant, he was on an escape road and so was not in a dangerous position if he stayed there. By reversing out he kept the yellows out, and thus gained an advantage relative to the competition.
Thats the problem right there. Looks to me like he was too fast, lost the rear and tried to get it back under control before the street got too short.
massivekettle
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Fair enough. My problem is the reversing bit (which, it appears, has drawn out and kept the yellows on).
Hopefully we hear from the stewards soon.
T.Wolff told German press that ROS was not under investigation. Strange...
massivekettle
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Which is, funnily enough, probably more likely to happen if Rosberg doesn't get hit with a penalty.
Eh it's possible. Berger still won that one race in '88!
No, the yellows would stay as long as the car was in there. To end yellow, the car would have to be removed, either by the marshalls or by driving it out.
Look, those drivers are not on a suicide mission. No sane Person would back it out there, especially not in Monaco, when you expect a car behind you that might not have a chance to brake and/or avoid. Thats why I think the marshalls waved him out, seeing the engine still running, thinking the large gap in traffic meant everyone was through.
massivekettle
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Interesting...
Mohonky
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I am admittedly a Hamilton fan, but that looked very self imposed. He was wrenching the wheel about when the car looked to be steady, its a very unusual movement to be making while the rear end looks planted. To me it looks like he is purposefully throwing the car out of balance. He has cleared the poor surfaces on the road, then starts wrenching the wheel side to side. It doesnt make any sense.
He's going through a Vettel-esque transformation from the perfect poster boy into...something
massivekettle
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And that's exactly why it makes sense for him to actually do it deliberately. People don't expect him to.
Anyway, for the record, I don't think that's the case, though it certainly went through his mind. All that hesitation approaching Mirabeau, with the best car on the grid, is just way too shady for me..
massivekettle
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