nature boy
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Wow Ferrari are really throwing Alonso under the bus just because he's unhappy with their shitty cars.
Ungrateful cunts.
Ungrateful cunts.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Big Takeover
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Well if you're Ricciardo, a 20x pay raise (guessing) would be pretty appealing.
I actually think it's only going to get better for Ferrari. Does that mean a Championship within the next few years? Probably not, but at least they're pointed back uphill.
This. And given the fact that Red Bull are still a fucking powerhouse of a team and the fact that this season was always going to be Mercedes's, it makes no sense to consider leaving RBR at this stage.
This team is apparently run by a bunch of fools. I hope these guys are aware that they'd be like 6th in the constructor's right now if Alonso wasn't on the team.
Everytime you read something in the MARCA newspaper you have to know it's been leaked by Alonso's manager. He has very close ties with the directors of the newspaper and this particular report is basically a page of praises for Alonso's talent and how he managed to outrace his car every year at Ferrari while the technical side continued to make mistakes that he masked with his performance inside the car. And since LdM wanted to test that theory by hiring another top driver (which pissed off Alonso) which considering the results help prove the theory in Alonso's favour.
But what I read from that newspaper piece is that Alonso actually wants to stay in Ferrari another year but for some reason Ferrari is leaking stories about him leaving making him look bad in the Italian press and he's pissed about it. Meanwhile Ron Dennis laughs and waits...
I still believe the key to this driver market (besides a 3rd car introduction) is Vettel and not Alonso. If Vettel stays put everything stays the same. If he does indeed want to leave now and Ferrari doesn't get rid of Alonso does he accept McLaren gigantic rumored offer? Is that why Ferrari is leaking stories that infuriated Abad and the rest of Alonso's management?
He's not going to leave especially considering he's now Marko's new golden boy.
But what I read from that newspaper piece is that Alonso actually wants to stay in Ferrari another year but for some reason Ferrari is leaking stories about him leaving making him look bad in the Italian press and he's pissed about it. Meanwhile Ron Dennis laughs and waits...
I still believe the key to this driver market (besides a 3rd car introduction) is Vettel and not Alonso. If Vettel stays put everything stays the same. If he does indeed want to leave now and Ferrari doesn't get rid of Alonso does he accept McLaren gigantic rumored offer? Is that why Ferrari is leaking stories that infuriated Abad and the rest of Alonso's management?
He's not going to leave especially considering he's now Marko's new golden boy.
You guys really need to let go your driver bromances/hatorade.
Yes, these are the guys that get the fame and recognition - and that's exactly why every single team sees them as a necessary evil. No one is in there to make some single egomaniac fulfill his dreams. They are businesses, that make business decisions. As long as a driver helps them achieve their business goals, fine. But like in every business its a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately environment. The outlook is always firmly in the future.
To give some examples:
- never underestimate the draw an Italian driver would have for FER
- never underestimate the brand compatibility a driver has to have to work for MER
- never underestimate the brand image RB needs to project via its sports aces
...and so on.
To give an even more specific example, to what I outlined above:
MCL under Dennis always had the drivers sign a clause, that their race trophies would be MCL property. Dennis himself said: "You get the fame and money, we keep the trophies for the factory workers".
IMO the musical chairs will start in earnest next year. AFAIK the VET (whom I see as the key as well) LOI has to be executed (or not) for the 2016 season. HAM contract would be up. ALO could leave without a fuss. MCL training year is over.
Uhm, no. That would be Verstappen.
Yes, these are the guys that get the fame and recognition - and that's exactly why every single team sees them as a necessary evil. No one is in there to make some single egomaniac fulfill his dreams. They are businesses, that make business decisions. As long as a driver helps them achieve their business goals, fine. But like in every business its a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately environment. The outlook is always firmly in the future.
To give some examples:
- never underestimate the draw an Italian driver would have for FER
- never underestimate the brand compatibility a driver has to have to work for MER
- never underestimate the brand image RB needs to project via its sports aces
...and so on.
To give an even more specific example, to what I outlined above:
MCL under Dennis always had the drivers sign a clause, that their race trophies would be MCL property. Dennis himself said: "You get the fame and money, we keep the trophies for the factory workers".
IMO the musical chairs will start in earnest next year. AFAIK the VET (whom I see as the key as well) LOI has to be executed (or not) for the 2016 season. HAM contract would be up. ALO could leave without a fuss. MCL training year is over.
Uhm, no. That would be Verstappen.
Well, he did put them in a display case @ the factory.
Marko came out with some big talk about Verstappen.
Saying he is a once in decades talent.
Exactly. I, personally, found his Senna comparisons waaaayyyy overdone - but OK, that may be just me.
The winning constructor get trophies for race wins. I don't understand why McLaren want the driver trophies too.
theignoramus
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Seb's been better as the season's gone on. Outqualified Ricciardo like 4 out of the last 6 races and beat him fair and square at Singapore. It seems his number one issue now is tyre management, which Dany is better at. For now. Fact is, the guy is getting used to these cars and we're seeing flashes of his old self alot more now. I expect him to be going blow for blow with Ricciardo by the end of the season.
As for Maranello, I think Ferrari can build a competitive car in the next three years. They have good personnel there that just need some time to unfuck that team. They clearly have a serious problem with their production chain and testing.
eh...its a shit situation but Alonso is not making it any better, Ferrari want a long term commitment from Alonso but by sounding out McLaren, Mercedes etc. what choice do they have but to chase Vettel & Hamilton or they are left with nothing
If Alonso leaves this year or next year, Ferrari need to have another driver to step up. Alonso has shown his ruthlesness in the past so Ferrari can't take any chances
Because it's not just the driver winning the race or podiums, it's also the engineers, the guys changing the engine all Friday long, the pit crew changing the tires with precise precision as quickly as possible, all the workers in the factory working 16-hour shifts in pre-season getting the car ready for the next season and barely seeing their family.
But that's what the constructor trophy is for?
theignoramus
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Right, but the factory workers and boys on the pit wall didnt drive the car to a first place finish in torrential downpour in Japan and they didnt drive it from plum last to a first place finish in Montreal. Those feats were because of the brilliance of the driver on that specific day.
Like, do you think Schumi at the Spanish GP in 96 shouldve been deprived of trophy because it was a "team win"? Because I think that win was like 30% car and team, 70% Michael.
But the engineer deciding to go from wet tires to intermediate tires at exactly the right time was definitely not involved in making sure the driver made up 3 places as the rest waited one lap too long.
theignoramus
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That engineer can take home the champaigne bottle from the podium celebration then.
McLaren fans are willing to lose out on talented drivers because of that policy? I always found it baffling, because it's clearly an issue for some drivers. That a team would sabotage its own chances by not just making themselves a replica shows a bit of stubbornness. PEACE.
Ah, the mythical pre-contract, which is legally impossible to arrange since it would involve breaching the current contract. There are pretty strict non-compete clauses in contracts of that magnitude, and no way in hell would Red Bull's allow him to sign anything with a competitor. I don't even think you can sign a letter of intent without getting permission from the current employer. PEACE.
Nope, that's standard procedure in F1.
theignoramus
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Helmut painting a nice, red target on Max Verstappen's back. Im sure Max and his father appreciate that kind comparison to Senna.
In silly season talk or in actual legal speak? I know we hear about this stuff all the time from the tabloids, but in actual legal terms, what loophole is there that allows someone under contract to sign a letter of intent with another company, without gaining permission from the current employer?
I always thought this precontract scuttlebutt was just the tabloid way of gussying-up a simple handshake/wink/nod agreement. That happens all the time for sure, where two parties have a verbal agreement made through back channels, but an out-and-out ink and paper transaction? Seems a high risk to take for little reward. PEACE.
Big Takeover
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No pressure, kid.
Strictly speaking, a LOI is a legally non-binding document. You only outline broad strokes of what both sides would do, IF it ever came to a contract. So as such, you simply cannot forbid anyone to set up such a thing, as you are not breaking any contract.
In the end, the LOI is just written proof, that both sides are seriously interested in each other, and signing it is a show of commitment. Yet in the end, I would estimate 90% never get executed, or the timeframe set runs out.
The VET LOI was first only noticed, because the champion and FER were involved. But it was soon shrugged off, as these LOI´s usually are. But then persistent talk started, that there are some hooks in it - but up to today, no one knows which. From what I know of these LOI´s, I can only speculate that both sides have some kind of execution rights, as everything is usually set up on reciprocity.
We just have to look at Hulkenberg's LOI with Ferrari last year and what happened in the end.
Gracias, amigo. I've learned something new today. I was legit miffed before.
That said...huh. Now wasn't this LOI thing rumored for more than a year now? I'm seeing smoke here. There's gotta be flames feeding this. PEACE.
Ridiculous. Can we wait until he gets behind the wheel before we start throwing the hyperbole out there already?
Well, not really. Have to question whether Alonso giving back the two spots rather than one would've made a difference. Given how closely they finished, I'd argue it did.
Unfortunately, that's been the same story for the last 6 or so years. I'm yet to see how anything will be any different over the next 6 (but I'd love to be proven wrong, regardless of who drives for them).
german media: http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/...-wechsel-zu-ferrari-vorerst-aus-14092408.html
vettel is staying at red bull next year.
he added: older drivers told me its something special to win in a ferrari.
vettel is staying at red bull next year.
he added: older drivers told me its something special to win in a ferrari.
massivekettle
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Alonso to McLaren a done deal it seems. Probably why McLaren is waiting longer to announce pairing for 2015.
That "deal" (aka LOI) was reportedly signed last year after Kimi's announcement but then Ron Dennis happened and he reportedly got cold feet and backed out of the deal... His manager didn't travel 2 times to Japan just after Kimi's announcement to go to Tokyo Game Show. He did it and especially tweeted about it for a reason.
The rumor also mentioned that the contract had the Schummy/#1 driver clause and also Santander would return to McLaren in 2016 helping to fund his salary but I don't know if the recent death of Botin changed that. But considering his daughter replaced him, I'm going to guess everything will remain the same for the next couple of years.
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