PdotMichael
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So I guess the extremly slow safety car fucked up Lewis' race.
I think Vettel also complained about it at some point.
I think Vettel also complained about it at some point.
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Deaf Spacker
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What'd Seb do? I turned it over.
massivekettle
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And Mercedes lost an easy 1-2 as well...
I think Vettel giddyness was more like "omg Mercedes is going to implode again and imma pull a Raikonnen '07 this season!"
EarsOfASnake
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This is painful haha
theignoramus
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It's not like nico out drove him at any point of the weeked. That's really probably the only positive thing to draw from.
Disagree. Alonso wants to win world championships. until Ferrari achieve that, nope
I'd say it was worse, Alonso was pretty much alongside Hulk.
The move was way worse. Alonso was right next to hulkenberg.. Imo not penalty worthy.
What RIC did was basically a video game move that was not penalised.
Well now instead of worrying about winning world championships he can worry about finishing races I guess.
mangochutney
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Well, not sure I'd expect anything else. They're there to analyse. What are they going to say... 'well they screwed that one up, but let's not think about it too much, let's talk about the nothing else too much that happened'.
Butted in Martin finishing up the podium interviews by saying 'I'm happy' and giving some thumbs up, given the sombre Lewis and Nico not wanting to gloat too much.
Fox Mulder
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Good. He's on the best team, the best driver, and just got a fat contract. Life is good and he's still leading the points.
I dont want to see him go down the whiny road again, leave it for rosberg.
PdotMichael
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Something that will not happen with Honda.
Terbinator
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Truly incredible.
Oh my god.
Deaf Spacker
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Bwahaha! To be fair the move to Ferrari hasn't been a disaster like some said it would.
Mastah
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I'm having a seizure.
Ok, so I guess we're sitting here and acting like Nico didn't fuck up his own race by not being able to get past Vergne. Yup, totally.
The tfw killed me.
In the press conference Rosberg also said that Hamilton was the faster driver amd should've won. Just in case people didn't hear
Well they had grid guys.....wtf
Hamilton just confirmed that the team said stay out. Hamilton complained about tires and assumed Rosberg and Vettel will pit too.
I guess team didn't tell him they won't
PdotMichael
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Drivers know nothing. It's still the team to blame.
Mohonky
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He does funny interviews, its was his arrogant bullshit and toy throwing tantrums that got everyone riled up. Since he has been in a position where he actually has to work for it or knows he probably can't contend the WDC, he hasn't been acting like a spoilt shit because their is nothing to gain from it.
He has always been quite funny in interviews.
The story he told on Letterman about gojng through Customs in the US after the Canadian GP is quite funny.
Thing is there was a short amount of time to decide. And they know their tires if nothing else.
Team just confirmed that they thought vettel would pit and become a threat which was obviously a mistake. Question is: how come Rosbergs team were smart enough to not fall into that trap
PdotMichael
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But they knew that Rosberg would stay out. So what Vettel would do doesn't matter.
I guess they though he would be a sitting duck for them? I'm not defending them. There was obviously a mistake. But it wasn't as malicious as some people initially made it out to be.
aspiegamer
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Hah. If Lewis actually wanted the stop then it's even more the team's fault then before. It's their job to look at the screens and tell him "no, are you insane? Are you deliberately trying to lose?" or at least tell him that there's not enough time to promise him that he'd get back out in front. Had they just blindly called him in then we could say they made a BAD decision. A decision at least. Instead, they made no decision and look like fools.
That's why you have a goddamn pit wall with a bunch of computers. To figure this crap out. Their damn job is to keep track of this stuff. And "hm, what if a safety car comes out right now?" is the sort of contingency you have at every race on every lap. Even more important at Monaco.
No sane person would have just assumed that the other leaders would all pit. It's Monaco. The entirely reason you all 1-stopped the rest of the race was to make sure you could block people as much as possible at the end if it got close.
This is 100% on the pit wall.
That's why you have a goddamn pit wall with a bunch of computers. To figure this crap out. Their damn job is to keep track of this stuff. And "hm, what if a safety car comes out right now?" is the sort of contingency you have at every race on every lap. Even more important at Monaco.
No sane person would have just assumed that the other leaders would all pit. It's Monaco. The entirely reason you all 1-stopped the rest of the race was to make sure you could block people as much as possible at the end if it got close.
This is 100% on the pit wall.
Mohonky
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The team has a better over all picture of the situation, they know if he is fast or slow, they know what conditions are like for other drivers and where they are in relation to one another.
You often hear drivers complain about their tyres and the team tells the driver not to worry about it because others are having the same problem and their pace is still competitive. The pitwall and strategists can see that, the driver can't, thats why they make a lot of the calls about pitting or not.
There is however, no situation here where Hamilton pits during the safety car and wins. Its virtually impossible to overtake on the track and all drivers were on the same compound for the same amount of time, so they are all running roughly the same degradation. Hamilton can ask to pit all he wants, but the team is the one that can make the better call, see he wont come out in front from the safety car and tell him no just stay out.
There is no situation here where the team can see any benefit to pitting Hamilton, nor if there any chance even with the better tyres he can do jackshit about it at Monaco. The whole thing is a clusterfuck.
Thats the second time Merc have fucked up the pit calls with a safety car, it cost them the win in Malaysia as well. You'd think they woukd learn that by now.
Hamilton has a history of being screwed by pitting during Safety Cars though, its a proud tradition even going back to when Mclaren were fucking him in the pits as well.
JadedWriter
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I had to play Bloodborne to CALM DOWN after that race, let that sink in. Didn't see a fucking thing after the checkered flag.
I don't think there a Rosberg or Hamilton strategy team. Merc strats are ordered down to the driver engineers and there's no debate going off the past two seasons.
He said he thought they had already pitted.
The drivers aren't even allowed to call for pitstops or override decisions. We saw that Monaco 2013 from Hamilton.
aspiegamer
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Mhmm. There's not a single race (before today) that goes by without constant radio messages of the pit wall scolding both drivers to behave so that it meets their plan. The drivers trust them to do this and set them up in the best possible position. Lewis was already mad enough after 2 very questionable calls in Malaysia which, combined, could easily be argued to say cost him a win. This is on a new level.
Yea right... This is the same guy who celebrated the Monaco pole and victory last year as if he deserved it.