theignoramus
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Lol.....I remember how Seb was viewed around here in his Red Bull days.....
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F1 wouldn't be around with a big brand as Mercedes pumping money into it. They can do whatever they like without getting punished.
brotkasten
Member
He was literally the worst human being and killed puppies with his finger.
I didn't say they were liked, I'm just pointing out the obvious. Ham is an utter bellend.
i don't know if i couldn't explain myself to you properly..
imo they tried to fool everyone by pulling out a 25 second gap to avoid losing a position if a penalty comes.. regardless of Lewis's performance, trying to cheat your way out of a meaningful penalty is not very sportsman like.. but then again neither is cheating to begin with..
Hey mom another guy did it too so don't punish me.
GHG
Member
This isn't a popularity contest.
Hamilton is the best driver out there at the moment and is proving it race after race. The man has been dominant for well over 12 months now.
The report mentioned 5 and 7 too, but concluded those were okay. I wonder if that's what he means.
Imagine if that team is Ferrari
I think that they measured tyre pressure after the race too
Psychotext
Member
With regard to the pressure being checked under Pirrelli's supervision... that's largely meaningless. Nothing stopping Mercedes changing the temperature of the tyres / air going in so that they'd have been lower by the time the cars made it to the track.
History proves you wrong.. the biggest brands got heavy penalties for cheating. And they will again if necessary.
PdotMichael
Banned
Never trust Pirelli.
Nico is on the official results so he "finished" the race 3 laps behind the leader. So he would still get a penalty applied to this race I believe.
FIA is such a joke. It appears they only checked the Ferrari and Mercedes cars (which doesn't seem random and would give Mercedes some room to contest the test...)
brotkasten
Member
So it wasn't just me. Vettel did grin like an idiot.
First he looked like a stunned moron with open mouth. Then he grinned like an idiot.
Gareth Bale
Member
They only checked one tyre
theignoramus
Member
After multi 21 people in here were acting like Seb was a baby killer... it was outrageous.
Terbinator
Member
You're making it sound like they pulled the gap in the last 5 laps, though. Shifting that burden (getting 25s+) onto a driver with immense championship and race pressure and him delivering isn't trying to fool anyone - that clear by the .040 "safety" gap he has at the end of the race.
It's F1, every setting has tradeoffs and if they're fast enough to get over an inevitable penalty then so be it. There's plenty of ridiculous penalties in F1, this will just be another one even if it isn't as effective as you want it to be.
I think that they cannot tell driver if they are under investigation with new radio rules
Cyborgmatt
Member
It's apparently Ferrari.
brotkasten
Member
Because then they'd acknowledge the penalty, which they haven't done so far. Patty and Lauda both claimed everything was fine and there were no issues.
My thoughts on the matter is that there is no "cheating" going on. If this is entirely an issue of a rule technicality, then sure, give them the 25 sec penalty, if he was fast enough to subvert that, so be it. No big deal, everyone continues on. If it is an issue of -safety- though, then it has to be a strong penalty that is meaningful. The ball's in the stewards' court now. They are fully aware of the circumstances and they are better informed about the nature of the rule breach than any of us. If it is determined that it was a safety breach and the team is DQ'ed, that is a fair judgement. If it's not a safety breach, then honestly... whatever.
/grabs popcorn
Massa wins?
I didn't see anyone blaming Lewis for this. In fact he and Nico don't have any blame on this stuff however they drive for the team that did this, so unfortunately they would pay the price for any penalty. The same reason they reap the rewards of driving a Mercedes as well.
And settings having tradeoffs is completely irrelevant. If FIA demands a tyre pressure to have a minimum pressure, you have to comply. As simple as that. Unless you believe the rules are mere guidelines and anyone can develop a car as they wish. Traction control, active suspension, flexible wings...
I didn't see anyone blaming Lewis for this. In fact he and Nico don't have any blame on this stuff however they drive for the team that did this, so unfortunately they would pay the price for any penalty. The same reason they reap the rewards of driving a Mercedes as well.
And settings having tradeoffs is completely irrelevant. If FIA demands a tyre pressure to have a minimum pressure, you have to comply. As simple as that. Unless you believe the rules are mere guidelines and anyone can develop a car as they wish. Traction control, active suspension, flexible wings...
Gareth Bale
Member
I thought the statement said they checked the left rear on cars 5 and 7 and they were above the minimum...?
Goldrusher
Member
Ferrari was fine.
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4 cars were checked.
05 = Vettel --> above the minimum
06 = Raikkonen --> above the minimum
44 = Hamilton --> 0.3 PSI too low
06 = Rosberg --> 1.1 PSI too low
And that's the problem here. Any other team would actually be hurt by a time penalty, but Mercedes are so strong that any penalty that leaves the car race-legal will be meaningless. The system simply isn't set up to handle this.
They should consider a 25s or -3 positions, whichever hurts more. That would mean that it would hurt any team, no matter how fast they are.
Of course, if this turns out to be Pirelli's fault, well, it should affect the current contract bidding. Michelin for F1 would at least be interesting to see.
Exactly my feelings. If this is a penalty that exists for performance and unfair advantage reasons, give them a slap on the wrist and let them go. If this is a safety issue, all the teams affected need penalties that are actually meaningful. A 25 sec penalty for a car that didn't finished and one that will still win won't cut it.
Pretty sure Ferrari are fine.
Cyborgmatt
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Sky were saying Ferrari, not sure why.
Edit: It's just Mercedes it seems.
Edit: It's just Mercedes it seems.