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The GAF POP |OT| of Diversity, Hidden Talent, and Stan Wars

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Dr. Malik

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krypt0nian said:
Kelly is like the sun in the sky.


How odd to have a talent in Pop GAF that can actually sing...
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Mumei

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krypt0nian said:
Kelly is like the sun in the sky.


How odd to have a talent in Pop GAF that can actually sing...
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Oh, it's not that odd.

Even taking the most recent generation (people whose solo careers got started post-2000), we have Beyonce, Kelly, Adele, Leona, Lady Gaga, and Florence* to name a few all the ones I can think of offhand.

I think that Beyonce's probably the best of the group, then Kelly, though I prefer Kelly's voice.

* And I don't even like her goat vibrato
 
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royalan

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Mumei said:
Oh, it's not that odd.

Even taking the most recent generation (people whose solo careers got started post-2000), we have Beyonce, Kelly, Adele, Leona, Lady Gaga, and Florence* to name a few all the ones I can think of offhand.

I think that Beyonce's probably the best of the group, then Kelly, though I prefer Kelly's voice.

* And I don't even like her goat vibrato
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*Ahem* You're forgetting a name there...
 
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Zutroy

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I know most of you probably don't give a shit about Michelle Branch, but she's probably my second favourite female vocalist after Kelly, and they both performed together last night!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsuEjuJ6FfY

Admitted more Michelle than Kelly, but it's just great for me to see them both on stage together!
 
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Mumei

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Koodo said:
He's talking about careers that started post-2000, not careers that ended.

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Artist Bio
Punched out of the game by Britney
Re-punched out of the game by Beyonce
Re-re-punched out of the game by Gaga
Now hosts a reality TV show.

But in all seriousness, even if she weren't just outside of the cut-off for solo careers (1999), I wouldn't put her up there with the aforementioned outside of raw talent.

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I like to think of her vibrato as an homage to Jim Carrey parodying Grace Slick.
 
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royalan

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Artist Bio
Punched out of the game by Britney
Re-punched out of the game by Beyonce
Re-re-punched out of the game by Gaga
Now hosts a reality TV show.

But in all seriousness, even if she weren't just outside of the cut-off for solo careers (1999), I wouldn't put her up there with the aforementioned outside of raw talent.
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Lets redo this Artist Bio:

More awards than Britney.
Higher selling records than Beyonce.
Showers more often than Gaga.

And really, if Christina doesn't belong in the list that Leona DAMN SURE doesn't.
 
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DMeisterJ

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PhoenixDark said:
Nikki about to flop? And for lols:
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showpost.php?p=1138459661&postcount=5
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Deservedly.

She was a pretty good rapper, and the best female rapper in the game (since the was the only fish in that pond), yet decided that she wanted to enter the pop-arena and now she's barely gonna do better than Rihanna on an album drop. And on top of tepid album sales, she's yet to clock a #1 single as a solo artist or a featured artist.

Maybe she shouldn't have abandoned her urban fans and things would have turned out better. Look at other YM first weeks (Wayne, Drake) and then look at what this album could do week 1. Makes absolutely no sense for her to have taken her career in the direction that she did. And even if it's not from a sales pov, her pop music is so bad, she should leave it to the pros and rap like we all know she can.

Oh well, I won't miss her music or her antics.
 
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Mau ®

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Yeah. Nicki as a rapper was/ is (I suppose?) pretty dope. Her verse on Monster hinted at massive potential.

As a pop gurl, she's basic. Listening to Roman Reloaded is embarrassing.
 
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Mumei

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royalan said:
Lets redo this Artist Bio:

More awards than Britney.
Higher selling records than Beyonce.
Showers more often than Gaga.

And really, if Christina doesn't belong in the list that Leona DAMN SURE doesn't.
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Why not? I'm actually asking; I don't know.

Leona has her weaknesses (e.g. her upper belts really don't impress me and sound a bit whiny, she has almost as bad in her lower register as Kelly Clarkson), but I don't think she has anything as bad going on as Christina occasionally sounding like a cross between Jessica and Hollie's bad habits. There are lots of things Christina does that are just flat out bad technically - almost entirely as a result of her poor breath management and her extremely high larynx belting that have damaged her voice and resulted in her doing those bad things at even lower notes than she used to as she starts straining earlier in her range than she used to.

Obviously within that list, I think some are better than others, and there are definitely aspects where Christina is better (e.g. I think her midbelts are as good as Adele's), but I think her weaknesses put her out of the running, and their weaknesses that are entirely of her own making.
 
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royalan

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Mumei said:
Why not? I'm actually asking; I don't know.

Leona has her weaknesses (e.g. her upper belts really don't impress me and sound a bit whiny, she has almost as bad in her lower register as Kelly Clarkson), but I don't think she has anything as bad going on as Christina occasionally sounding like a cross between Jessica and Hollie's bad habits. There are lots of things Christina does that are just flat out bad technically - almost entirely as a result of her poor breath management and her extremely high larynx belting that have damaged her voice and resulted in her doing those bad things at even lower notes than she used to as she starts straining earlier in her range than she used to.

Obviously within that list, I think some are better than others, and there are definitely aspects where Christina is better (e.g. I think her midbelts are as good as Adele's), but I think her weaknesses put her out of the running, and their weaknesses that are entirely of her own making.
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Christina has her flaws, but I don't think they put her under Leona - with her screechy and unsupported upper register, unpleasant tone, completely lack of versatility, and one-note catalog. Not even close.
 
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Mumei

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royalan said:
Christina has her flaws, but I don't think they put her under Leona - with her screechy and unsupported upper register, unpleasant tone, completely lack of versatility, and one-note catalog. Not even close.
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Well I wasn't really talking about catalog or tone (though obviously most singers (don't ask me about Taylor or Rihanna) who make it tend to have at least somewhat pleasing voices).

Can you link me to stuff? From what I've heard Leona's upper belts, while I'd put them below singers like Whitney or Mariah or Beyonce or Kelly, she's not comparing unfavorably to Christina. She sounds like she's straining a bit above E5 and starts sounding a bit shouty around there, but Christina sounds strained much lower than that. I do think Christina's mid-belt (say G4 - C#5) sounds much stronger, but Leona starts catching up around there and that's a result of Christina having a naturally bigger and more powerful voice.
 
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royalan

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Mumei said:
Well I wasn't really talking about catalog or tone (though obviously most singers (don't ask me about Taylor or Rihanna) who make it tend to have at least somewhat pleasing voices).

Can you link me to stuff? From what I've heard Leona's upper belts, while I'd put them below singers like Whitney or Mariah or Beyonce or Kelly, she's not comparing unfavorably to Christina. She sounds like she's straining a bit above E5 and starts sounding a bit shouty around there, but Christina sounds strained much lower than that. I do think Christina's mid-belt (say G4 - C#5) sounds much stronger, but Leona starts catching up around there and that's a result of Christina having a naturally bigger and more powerful voice.
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Well, it can't just be about range alone, or else these conversations would always begin and end with Kelly Clarkson. As much as I think she's a boring, uninteresting, creatively-bankrupt, hypocrite of a vocalist with no conviction who I'd never have the time on my day off to check for, even I have to admit she has the most impressive range in the Pop game right now.

Leona does have a slightly more impressive range at this point, but within their mutual comfort zones Christina is just a much more capable and technically proficient singer. Raw improvisation skills, interpretive ability, richer tone, more capable melismatic technique (yeah yeah, I know she overdoes this a lot, but she can also use melisma to beautiful effect when used sparingly), etc. Not to mention her ability to match her vocals to a wide variety genres and tempos, something Leona seems to be completely incapable of.

It's the sheer amount of weapons Christina has at her disposal when she's resting in her comfort zone that puts her over a lot of singers in my opinion - many of whom really only have the advantage of slightly better range against her. I definitely count Leona among that lot.
 
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Mumei

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royalan said:
Well, it can't just be about range alone, or else these conversations would always begin and end with Kelly Clarkson Georgia Brown. As much as I think she's a boring, uninteresting, creatively-bankrupt, hypocrite of a vocalist with no conviction who I'd never have the time on my day off to check for, even I have to admit she has the most impressive range in the Pop game right now.

Leona does have a slightly more impressive range at this point, but within their mutual comfort zones Christina is just a much more comfortable and technically proficient singer. Raw improvisation skills, interpretive ability, richer tone, more capable melismatic technique (yeah yeah, I know she overdoes this a lot, but she can also use melisma to beautiful effect when used sparingly), etc. Not to mention her ability to match her vocals to a wide variety genres and tempos, something Leona seems to be completely incapable of.

It's the sheer amount of weapons Christina has at her disposal when she's resting in her comfort zone that puts her over a lot of singers in my opinion - many of whom really only have the advantage of slightly better range against her. I definitely count Leona among that lot.
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FTFY

I must have miscommunicated (or you misread!!) because I wasn't meaning to talk about range. You had mentioned Leona having an unsupported and screechy upper register (above F5 it does start to sound screechy, yes); that's why I was comparing their upper belting. I think that Christina starts (and has been for a very long time) straining much earlier than Leona does, and I think it's a product of worse technique. No comment on improvisation (I don't really care for Christina's and don't know much about Leona's), interpretive ability (haven't really been incredibly impressed by either). Agree on tone and melismatic technique (though she misuses it most of the time). I'm not exactly what one would call a huge Leona fan. I'd probably hear about it from Leona, though. :p

And incidentally, while Kelly might have one of the most expansive belting ranges in pop (and definitely the most comfort in F#5 - A5), Beyonce outdoes her:

Kelly Clarkson: Eb3 - A5 (G6)
Beyonce Knowles: G#2 - A5 (E6)

As I've mentioned, Ms Clarkson wouldn't know what a lower register was if it punched her in the mouth.
 
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Sai-kun

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Cosmic Bus said:
Ooh lala, the cupcake shop I bake at is catering desserts for Ellie Goulding's stop in Seattle next week.
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get a cupcake signed for me :) <3



omg i'm seeing her this friday :D i'm gonna bring the drumstick i got from her concert last year and hopefully get her to sign it!
 
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Sai-kun

Banned
Messofanego said:
Interesting why Lily Allen retired from pop music, just after 2 albums. She gave many fair reasons why leaving the riches to bring up her own clothing store in the Channel 4 documentary ("Lily Allen: From Riches to Rags").

Not many pop stars have that oversight and control. Good on her.
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Yeah, very sad. :( It's Not Me, It's You was (is) such a killer album. I'm glad I got the chance to see her live. She put on a really fun show, and introduced me to another one of my favorite bands (who opened for her), Natalie Portman's Shaved Head/Brite Futures.
 
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Delio

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Marius_ said:
pressedT rats resisting ID's success, not surprised
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They shall all see the light soon enough. Speaking of them though jesus,I just discovered Louis has very nice...assets if you know what I mean.

Also wat Is this.


There is a Boy Band consisting of beautiful young men that currently has young girls across the country screaming with admiration and desire. Their public image is wholesome. However, there&#8217;s a lot going on behind the scenes that belies that image.

For example, there&#8217;s one member of the group whose moniker could be The Gay One. That&#8217;s right. Your teen daughter may be swooning right now over someone who isn&#8217;t even interested in her gender.

Oh, and there&#8217;s another member of the group who wouldn&#8217;t be interested in your daughter. His moniker could be&#8230; The Other Gay One.

Yes, that&#8217;s right, two gay young men in one popular group. (Although one does have a beard to maintain that desirable image). And here&#8217;s the most interesting part of all: the two boys are sleeping with each other.

http://blindgossip.com/?p=41885

Obvious this Is talking about 1D. Louis would be one of the gays. I have no Ideal who else would be other than hoping Niall Is. If this Is true (totes Is)
 
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Souldriver

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Pfff, if I were in charge of making up those blind gossips, I'd make them a lot spicier.


"SIX OF THE FIVE 1D BOYS ARE BOTTOM SLUTS!"
 
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