The GAF Video and Filmmaking Thread

I have a question. I just purchased a Canon Vixia HF G20. Instead of buying another battery, I'd like to try hooking up an external battery pack to it to extend battery life. I found an article stating how to do this with a DSLR and I assume the same can be achieved with this camera. I need to know the size of the jack that plugs into the DC input on the camera and if the battery pack below has the possibility to work.

Link to external battery hack.

Link to XTPower external battery pack
 
Hey all. I've been a lurker in this thread for a long time.

I'm currently working on my last year of college and for the last three years I've been lucky enough to work for the local PBS affiliate here on campus. We have a show that airs every few months run entirely by students. As we slowly build to a televised episode, we post a new story every week. A few weeks ago, a story I shot and edited went up and I'm feeling pretty good about it. I thought I'd share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBs8D47prso

Any feedback would be wonderful.
 
It was nicely shot and edited for the most part. I was disappointed at the end because it didn't seem to hold up to his comment about being "the loudest student section in the pac-12," unless the rest of the pac-12 is somehow completely silent.

I expected more footage and audio of people going absolutely nuts, footage of the signs in action. Maybe a sequence where the team has a breakout play and then you cut to the student section and people are losing their minds.

It just felt muted after the halfway point of the story. Otherwise I liked what I saw, nice work.
 
Good stuff sevenchaos. I enjoyed the video. That dudes seems like a cool guy. The ending was a bit anti-climactic. The video felt like it was building up to something big and cool but the video felt to end right before the climax. Also the attempts to create depth to the shots by having out of focus objects in the shot felt really forced and too in you face-y.

But other than that it was good stuff!
 
Anyone here experienced with portable recorders? I'm in the market for something for use on the go, a few XLR inputs and capable of capturing sound acceptable for semi-professional projects. I'm leaning toward the Zoom H5 at the moment. Reasonable price compared to the H6 and R-26, can be expanded for additional XLR inputs and portable enough for all sorts of environments. But if someone else knows the field and can advise me on better alternatives that'd be swell.
 
I don't use mine much, but I've had great success with my Tascam dr-100. Perfect quality, can be used with any audio need I've come across.

I only stopped using it because the next camera I purchased allowed me to record and monitor audio. But yeah, great device.
 
I don't use mine much, but I've had great success with my Tascam dr-100. Perfect quality, can be used with any audio need I've come across.

I only stopped using it because the next camera I purchased allowed me to record and monitor audio. But yeah, great device.

Thanks! I'll run it past my sound mixer.
 
The Zoom H5 and the Tascam DR-60D are what I would recommend. Probably lean towards the Zoom just because I like the form factor better. Tascam actually just debuted the DR-70D which should be available in a matter of days as well.
 
The DR-70D looks good. At the moment we've settled on the Zoom H5 but we're going to wait for impressions and sound tests on the DR-70D before committing. Hopefully there's a Black Friday deal on something! Thanks for the help folks.
 
Anyone know how to get a true uncompressed video out of Final Cut? You'd think exporting (or sharing, whatever it's called) using either ProRes 4444 or Uncompressed 8bit would do the job. This doesn't look uncompressed though:

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Final Cut is messing with the colours during compression and it's going to kill my ability to grade this piece.
 
Anyone know how to get a true uncompressed video out of Final Cut? You'd think exporting (or sharing, whatever it's called) using either ProRes 4444 or Uncompressed 8bit would do the job. This doesn't look uncompressed though:

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Final Cut is messing with the colours during compression and it's going to kill my ability to grade this piece.

Do you use Compressor or just export the master file through Final Cut? In my experience, the share function creates kinda crappy files. I haven't tried uncompressed, but when I shared directly to Vimeo, the files became really blurry. I thought it was because of Vimeo's own compression, but I later uploaded a file I had sent to Compressor first and the problem was solved.
 
Do you use Compressor or just export the master file through Final Cut? In my experience, the share function creates kinda crappy files. I haven't tried uncompressed, but when I shared directly to Vimeo, the files became really blurry. I thought it was because of Vimeo's own compression, but I later uploaded a file I had sent to Compressor first and the problem was solved.

Thanks for the quick reply. For some reason Compressor doesn't seem to want to work on my computer at all. As soon as I start running the compression my computer starts running at a snails pace. I'm going to try and fix it tomorrow.

Edit: Man, I hate FCPX so much. First of all the entire program is incredibly counter intuitive to me. Lots of thing just don't seem to make sense coming from Premiere. Second, I just want a uncompressed file. Neither FCP or Compressor delivers a 100% uncompressed file. Even rendering with the codec called 'Uncompressed' still messes with the colours. The only reason I dragged my project into FCP is because I shot the video with a faulty FS700 that added tons of noise to my shots. And I happened to be able to use Neat Video on someones FCP machine. Why people would use FCP for any professional work over Premiere is beyond me.
 
Is it a double-post when they're like three weeks apart?

I always use some form of Arial, but if you see something being used, take a screenshot and run it through whatthefont.com
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZDPXEWjx68

A short that I made with some friends. It's in spanish with english subtitles available.

Synopsis:

Five complete strangers meet at a crosswalk. Suddenly, a guy breaks the silence and different links are created between them, proving that nothing happens in isolation and that we're all intertwined one way or another.

Hope you like it :)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZDPXEWjx68

A short that I made with some friends. It's in spanish with english subtitles available.

Synopsis:

Five complete strangers meet at a crosswalk. Suddenly, a guy breaks the silence and different links are created between them, proving that nothing happens in isolation and that we're all intertwined one way or another.

Hope you like it :)

The dialogue is cringe-worthy (reminds me of the idealized and over-the-top way Hispanic people retell their stories, where it seems almost like preaching to a choir), but I liked it. You guys did a great job, although I'll admit if a guy on the street did that to me I'd just ignore him.
 
Hey GAF, I'm shooting a micro budget thriller ($3500) on a C100, got a sweet Zeiss lens kit to go with it. Any recommendations I can pass on to my DoP?
 
Hey GAF, I'm shooting a micro budget thriller ($3500) on a C100, got a sweet Zeiss lens kit to go with it. Any recommendations I can pass on to my DoP?

If those Zeiss lenses are anything like the one I occasionally used don't shoot with an entirely open aperture. The 50mm 1.4 lens I used got really really funky at 1.4. Was way better at 2+.
 
The dialogue is cringe-worthy (reminds me of the idealized and over-the-top way Hispanic people retell their stories, where it seems almost like preaching to a choir), but I liked it. You guys did a great job, although I'll admit if a guy on the street did that to me I'd just ignore him.

yes maybe it's a bit over-the-top hehe. thank you for the comment :)
 
If those Zeiss lenses are anything like the one I occasionally used don't shoot with an entirely open aperture. The 50mm 1.4 lens I used got really really funky at 1.4. Was way better at 2+.
That's a general rule for any lens-- they're always best if at least double the minimum f-stop.
 
That's a general rule for any lens-- they're always best if at least double the minimum f-stop.

True but I generally don't follow this rule because I usually shoot in bad lighting conditions. And I don't usually see any real noticeable issues. The Zeiss 1.4 50mm however starts this weird glowing and halo effect.
 
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I'm extremely excited to finally be able to share this film I've been working on for a while now! It's all about an amazing man who dropped everything at age 54 to pursue his dreams. As a designer who has been used to work the whole day behind a screen, Jan Den Hartogh realized he was missing something important in his life and that was the opportunity to make stuff with his hands. Now he makes gorgeous handmade leather products over at Duke and Sons Leather.

This was such an amazing project to work on. As it was something I could finally combine everything I've learned over the last year. It was also my first opportunity to work with some cool higher end camera gear. I was able to borrow the Sony FS700 from my cousin his company.

I'm sorry once again for double posting in this thread but I'm super excited to share this video!

Hope you guys enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/116867148

Edit: Subtitles might be a bit funky. I'm no professional subtitler :(
 
A friend/coworker posted these at BMCUser.com so I might as well post them here: the three Doritos commercial entries that I was involved with.

We shot each commercial with either a BMPCC, BMCC, or BMPC camera. The BMPCC and BMCC shot 1080 Prores and the BMPC shot 4k Prores.

A little about each production:

"Vampire Boyfriend" http://youtu.be/MmrgZL0mqCU was shot on the BMPC using a Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 OIS lense and a Warm ProMist 1/2 filter. Edited and graded in FCPX. Sound was recorded onto a Tascam DR60 with an Audix SC1X Hypercardiod mic.

"Doritos Heroes" http://youtu.be/L3jeolGgmeQ was shot on the BMPCC using entirely with Pentax 12.5mm C-mount lens if I remember correctly. Edited in Premiere CS6 and graded in Resolve. Sound was on the Tascam DR60 with a Rode NTG3.

"Worth the Weight" http://youtu.be/46KxzVJMSlY was shot on the BMCC with the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 and Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 with a Nikon to M43 Metabones non-speedbooster adapter. Edited in Premiere and graded in Resolve. Sound was on the DR60 and a Sennheiser ME66.

I did crew (assistant cam, gaff, and grip work) for Vampire Boyfriend and Doritos Heroes. I shot Worth the Weight myself.

It was all a great crew and experience. I don't think we had more than 4 crewmembers at one time, and the crew also acted (the stars of Doritos Heroes directed Vampire Boyfriend and Worth the Weight). Unfortunately, we didn't even make it into the semi-finals but we're very proud of our work.

Worth the Weight was a race to finish and we didn't get to give the sound mixing the attention it deserves. Doritos Heroes is probably my fav.

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I'm extremely excited to finally be able to share this film I've been working on for a while now! It's all about an amazing man who dropped everything at age 54 to pursue his dreams. As a designer who has been used to work the whole day behind a screen, Jan Den Hartogh realized he was missing something important in his life and that was the opportunity to make stuff with his hands. Now he makes gorgeous handmade leather products over at Duke and Sons Leather.

This was such an amazing project to work on. As it was something I could finally combine everything I've learned over the last year. It was also my first opportunity to work with some cool higher end camera gear. I was able to borrow the Sony FS700 from my cousin his company.

I'm sorry once again for double posting in this thread but I'm super excited to share this video!

Hope you guys enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/116867148

I am at work now, but I really like that still :) Will watch it later!
 
I'm extremely excited to finally be able to share this film I've been working on for a while now! It's all about an amazing man who dropped everything at age 54 to pursue his dreams. As a designer who has been used to work the whole day behind a screen, Jan Den Hartogh realized he was missing something important in his life and that was the opportunity to make stuff with his hands. Now he makes gorgeous handmade leather products over at Duke and Sons Leather.

That was a mostly good video! The only things I had a problem with were two typos in the subtitles, and then the wide shot of him zooming away on the motorcycle. It threw me off because it was the only part in the entire video that wasn't slow-mo.

Otherwise, really nice work!
 
That was a mostly good video! The only things I had a problem with were two typos in the subtitles, and then the wide shot of him zooming away on the motorcycle. It threw me off because it was the only part in the entire video that wasn't slow-mo.

Otherwise, really nice work!

Thanks! How horribly sloppy that I left two typos in the subtitles. I'm glad that the next video I'm working on features an American. No subtitle work for me!
 
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I'm extremely excited to finally be able to share this film I've been working on for a while now! It's all about an amazing man who dropped everything at age 54 to pursue his dreams. As a designer who has been used to work the whole day behind a screen, Jan Den Hartogh realized he was missing something important in his life and that was the opportunity to make stuff with his hands. Now he makes gorgeous handmade leather products over at Duke and Sons Leather.

This was such an amazing project to work on. As it was something I could finally combine everything I've learned over the last year. It was also my first opportunity to work with some cool higher end camera gear. I was able to borrow the Sony FS700 from my cousin his company.

I'm sorry once again for double posting in this thread but I'm super excited to share this video!

Hope you guys enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/116867148

Edit: Subtitles might be a bit funky. I'm no professional subtitler :(

Cool man :) A lot of nice shots, the video really gave me that "vimeo feel" if you know what I mean. A problem for me was the sound quality, you can hear the room noise (or what you call it in english) fade in and out and the sound of the voice is not all that great. Also, there might be too much talk, let it breathe a little more, in a sense I want to see more shots of him loving what he is doing without him telling me that at the same time. Great job anyway!
 
I'm sorry once again for double posting in this thread but I'm super excited to share this video!

Hope you guys enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/116867148

Edit: Subtitles might be a bit funky. I'm no professional subtitler :(

Beautiful work man.

If those Zeiss lenses are anything like the one I occasionally used don't shoot with an entirely open aperture. The 50mm 1.4 lens I used got really really funky at 1.4. Was way better at 2+.

I've found this to be true of pretty much all 50 1.4 lenses. I think its chromatic aberration... I actually bought a 50 1.8 to replace my 1.4 after I dropped it and cracked the rear element. Its sharper at 1.8 than the 1.4 is.
 
Thanks for the kind words guys!

Cool man :) A lot of nice shots, the video really gave me that "vimeo feel" if you know what I mean. A problem for me was the sound quality, you can hear the room noise (or what you call it in english) fade in and out and the sound of the voice is not all that great. Also, there might be too much talk, let it breathe a little more, in a sense I want to see more shots of him loving what he is doing without him telling me that at the same time. Great job anyway!

I know exactly what you mean. I was, and am, heavily inspired by many Vimeo Staff pick videos. That's why it might have that vimeo feel you are talking about :)
 
This is first thing I've posted here in a loooong ol' time. Just released a music video I shot with my bestie in LA.

Shot on a Red Epic with his ridiculous lenses. I directed it/ cut it. We are currently writing our first short together. Yay film making!
TIMBERWOLF - You Let Me Down Music Video

Really nice work. Felt a lot of the emotion coming from each shot. It's hard for a music video to keep me watching the whole way through, but it was so visually striking that my mind is constantly waiting for the next image.

Now, for the slowmo scenes, were they slowed down in post and shot at regular 24fps? Because it looked kind of funk in some parts. And I guess my only other complaint is the opening shot the body looked kind of sped up when it hit the water near the end. Gave a jittery look.
 
Really nice work. Felt a lot of the emotion coming from each shot. It's hard for a music video to keep me watching the whole way through, but it was so visually striking that my mind is constantly waiting for the next image.

Now, for the slowmo scenes, were they slowed down in post and shot at regular 24fps? Because it looked kind of funk in some parts. And I guess my only other complaint is the opening shot the body looked kind of sped up when it hit the water near the end. Gave a jittery look.

Thank you so much for watching, glad it kept you entertained. Definitely the point, pumped that it was accomplished. Nope, nothing was slowed in post, all was in camera at 96 frames a second, some 48.
 
This is first thing I've posted here in a loooong ol' time. Just released a music video I shot with my bestie in LA.

Shot on a Red Epic with his ridiculous lenses. I directed it/ cut it. We are currently writing our first short together. Yay film making!
TIMBERWOLF - You Let Me Down Music Video

Yay film making indeed

YouTube does you no favours, The compression is horrible. 1:16 looks like a 16bit game and this is so with everything with the dude in the car, maybe it's poorly color corrected. The location on the hill is not good imo. Dead grass and dirt and all around a pretty trees, maybe this was some point I'm missing but whatever.
The actors aren't great, feel more like models.
I don't get a feel for the story. She's not there and he misses her but she's in some scenes with him and sometimes he sees her and sometimes they are just standing close without acknowledging the presense of each other.
But 90% of the frames and camera work is really good and out of context look fantastic. I think the editing is mostly good but I didn't really see the point of the jumpcuts but they aren't many.
 
Question for all the wonderful filmmakers in this thread.

I'm a 30-year-old with a longtime passion for filmmaking. I got a filmmaking degree in college and since then have worked with some smaller independent filmmaking sites, made some short films and documentaries of my own, and done a good amount of editing. At this point, however, it's been awhile since I've done anything serious, and I'm thirsty for some creative endeavors. To that end, I'm thinking very strongly about buying a solid prosumer camera and getting back into filmmaking.

I'm currently leaning very strongly toward the Cannon XA20. Every review I've read on it seems glowing and the overall form factor and recording modes seem like they would fit my needs very well.

In addition to the XA20, I would also pick up a AT875R shotgun mic for sound recording and a Slik U8000 Tripod. Of course, an extra battery, charger and flash cards would be needed too (any good recommendations for those).

My question is: does all that stuff look good? The XA20 seems great, but is there anything better I should consider at the $2000 price point? Any new cameras coming out soon that I should be on the lookout for? Thanks for any help and advice guys!
 
Question for all the wonderful filmmakers in this thread.

I'm a 30-year-old with a longtime passion for filmmaking. I got a filmmaking degree in college and since then have worked with some smaller independent filmmaking sites, made some short films and documentaries of my own, and done a good amount of editing. At this point, however, it's been awhile since I've done anything serious, and I'm thirsty for some creative endeavors. To that end, I'm thinking very strongly about buying a solid prosumer camera and getting back into filmmaking.

I'm currently leaning very strongly toward the Cannon XA20. Every review I've read on it seems glowing and the overall form factor and recording modes seem like they would fit my needs very well.

In addition to the XA20, I would also pick up a AT875R shotgun mic for sound recording and a Slik U8000 Tripod. Of course, an extra battery, charger and flash cards would be needed too (any good recommendations for those).

My question is: does all that stuff look good? The XA20 seems great, but is there anything better I should consider at the $2000 price point? Any new cameras coming out soon that I should be on the lookout for? Thanks for any help and advice guys!

If you looking to shoot short or long movies, I would suggest a blackmagic cinema camera. It will be a bit more expensive to get into the eco system ( no fixed lens, need ssds to record on) and alot more difficult to work with (2.5k raw or prores) but the video quality will be much much better.

Alternatively, look at perhaps a gh4 or a blackmagic pocket, or even a Samsung NX-7.
Unless your looking to shoot commercials and documentaries, that camcorder is not ideal for filmmaking, mainly because of the fixed lens, you will be severly limited in what you can do, plus the bitrate it records it is pretty low for any serious film work.

Also, its dynamic range isnt the best, so color grading will not be nearly as forgiving.

HOWEVER
If you are running a 1 man crew (just you) and may be time constrained on shoots, the form factor is nice. You can just get alot more camera (ala sensor, bit rate, etc) for your money with either a dslr form factor (gh4 or nx-7) or with one of the Black magic entries (pocket or cinema cam).
Good luck and happy filming :)
 
Question for all the wonderful filmmakers in this thread.

I'm a 30-year-old with a longtime passion for filmmaking. I got a filmmaking degree in college and since then have worked with some smaller independent filmmaking sites, made some short films and documentaries of my own, and done a good amount of editing. At this point, however, it's been awhile since I've done anything serious, and I'm thirsty for some creative endeavors. To that end, I'm thinking very strongly about buying a solid prosumer camera and getting back into filmmaking.

I'm currently leaning very strongly toward the Cannon XA20. Every review I've read on it seems glowing and the overall form factor and recording modes seem like they would fit my needs very well.

In addition to the XA20, I would also pick up a AT875R shotgun mic for sound recording and a Slik U8000 Tripod. Of course, an extra battery, charger and flash cards would be needed too (any good recommendations for those).

My question is: does all that stuff look good? The XA20 seems great, but is there anything better I should consider at the $2000 price point? Any new cameras coming out soon that I should be on the lookout for? Thanks for any help and advice guys!

I would personally never use or recommend a camcorder such as the Canon XA20 for anything or anyone. I personally prefer to shoot my videos as beautiful as I can, and I need to be able to change lenses for that. Camcorders are great for docu work as they are very easy to operate and are more suitable for longer shots and whatnot. If you really want to do the more unscripted, following people around kind of docu work a camcorder might be perfect for you. Be warned that you won't get the most beautiful shots though.

I wouldn't recommend a Blackmagic Cinema Camera Guldakot. I've heard that the battery life is notoriously bad. Not very handy for Documentary work. The GH4 is a very good option. Great battery life, internal 4k, light, and uses very small lenses. However, it's not very good in low light. Since you often don't have control over the lights during documentary work this can be an issue.

I personally would check out the Sony A7s. Great little full frame camera capable of beautiful shots and can shoot 4k with an external recorder. Its most amazing feature is its low light capability though. You can pretty much shoot in pitch black environments with no problem. Which is amazing and can come in pretty handy during documentary work!
 
I realised that shooting with my camcorder needs a good amount of light. So much that, inside house lights are not enough even during the day time. So I've been considering getting these two options:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HU6RI8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FHZ2SI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

And is that the case with DSLRs? I'm considering upgrading to Nikon D3300 in few months.

Dslrs do work better in low light situations. Depending on the lens, it shouldn't be an issue to film inside during day time (or at night) with the available light. Now, as Vulcano says, at that point it becomes an aesthetic choice and it will more often than not look better with extra lighting.
 
That you need more than practical lighting and whatnot? Yes, any camera, more so for aesthetic reasons. You choose your lighting based more on how you want it to look, not what you shoot it with.

Dslrs do work better in low light situations. Depending on the lens, it shouldn't be an issue to film inside during day time (or at night) with the available light. Now, as Vulcano says, at that point it becomes an aesthetic choice and it will more often than not look better with extra lighting.

I see. Thanks for answering, even though I was hoping for a B is a better choice type answer. I like the LED light because I can just mount it on the camera and it's a lot more portable, but I'm afraid that using a single light source might create undesired silhouettes. Decisions, decisions... I think I'll get the three lights kit and see how that works.
 
I see. Thanks for answering, even though I was hoping for a B is a better choice type answer. I like the LED light because I can just mount it on the camera and it's a lot more portable, but I'm afraid that using a single light source might create undesired silhouettes. Decisions, decisions... I think I'll get the three lights kit and see how that works.

Going for the LED would seem useful if you are shooting a documentary, something along the lines of a fly on the wall video where the filmmakers follow rock bands on a tour and are on the move while being shot, or if you want the effect of seeing the light coming from the camera. The viewer will notice where the light is coming from.

Going for the kit seems logical for a more traditional thing in mind. Besides you are getting more bang for your buck and you don't have to worry about batteries.
 
Going for the LED would seem useful if you are shooting a documentary, something along the lines of a fly on the wall video where the filmmakers follow rock bands on a tour and are on the move while being shot, or if you want the effect of seeing the light coming from the camera. The viewer will notice where the light is coming from.

Going for the kit seems logical for a more traditional thing in mind. Besides you are getting more bang for your buck and you don't have to worry about batteries.
That's exactly what I wanna avoid. So the kit it is. Thanks guys!
 
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Thanks a bunch for the responses and advice guys. Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread, but I had a very busy weekend at work.

So I looked into both the Black Magic Cinema cameras and the various DSLR cameras you guys recommended. The Black Magic in particular looks really, really cool, but I'm not sure if it's the right camera for me.

Honestly, I'm looking for simplicity to start out. I have a notoriously low amount of motivation, and if something requires a ton of setup (lights, tripods, carefully controlled environments, ect.) every time I want to use it, I'm very likely to just stop using it.

I currently don't have any major projects actually planned, I just wanna get out there and start shooting stuff to galvanize myself into doing more creative work. Things such as image stabilization, great low light capability and relatively cheap cost is very, very important to me. To give you guys an example of where I'm at, I've been shooting little shorts on my iPhone 5S recently, and I find both the audio quality and video quality decent (obviously, I'm well aware that they're not, but that's where my bar is currently).

Cameras with interchangeable lenses would be great, but they would also be far more than I want to spend for what is going to start out as a hobby. Obviously I want to work this creative endeavor into something much more as time goes on, and it would be great to eventually turn it into some sort of business, but there are no guarantees of that. Honestly, just as likely would be me messing around with the camera for a couple months, making a few short films, then setting it all aside. That's not what I want or expect to happen, but it's a possibility.

So, with that in mind (literally coming from filming with the iPhone 5S and finding it ok, wanting something fairly cheap but not too shitty) would the XA20 be a good choice, or is there something better around that price point and accessibility level?
 
Filmed a couple scenes for my Web series this weekend. First scenes we filmed back in October but we took a break for the holiday months. Hopefully now we can ramp up shooting. Filming four episodes at a time. Want to release 3 at a time.
 
Honestly, I'm looking for simplicity to start out. I have a notoriously low amount of motivation, and if something requires a ton of setup every time I want to use it, I'm very likely to just stop using it.

I've been shooting little shorts on my iPhone 5S recently, and I find both the audio quality and video quality decent (obviously, I'm well aware that they're not, but that's where my bar is currently).
I can't speak for everyone, but you probably lost a bunch of people with these statements.

If you're happy with the iPhone, then just about anything you choose to purchase will be a step up and do whatever it is you want to use it for.
 
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