SolidSnakeUS
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Remember, McCoy was in the first episode of TNG as an Admiral, so he was there as well.
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Remember, McCoy was in the first episode of TNG as an Admiral, so he was there as well.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
SolidSnakeUS
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oh, he was there?
chekov become some leader in Babylon 5
Bester is a way better character than Chekov will ever be lol.
Oh yeah, totally forgot. Was wondering why my list of crew seemed short...
SeventhSon
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Admiral McCoy visits Enterprise D before her first mission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNmLlTzSK4
Treat her like a lady, and she'll always bring you home.
Which explains why it crashed on Veridian III, because they let Troi drive.
Troi: They've given the keys to the blind guy, the kid, anyone who happened to be passing by... and then finally... y'know.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's just make up right? I doubt DeForrest actually looked like that in that time and it's just to simulate a large gap!
EDIT: Ah right, the last TOS mvoie was early 90's and the first TNG ep was late 80's.
EDIT: Ah right, the last TOS mvoie was early 90's and the first TNG ep was late 80's.
SeventhSon
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Yes, that's make up. Here's a segment of Kelley during TNG's 4th season in 1990, when he was 70: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UvlqGcE-S0
The make up work in the pilot of TNG made Bones look almost exactly like the TOS episode with the aging virus.
benjipwns
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She also was the one who crashed the E into Shinzon's ship in Nemesis. Picard knew who he needed at the helm to crash a ship.
SolidSnakeUS
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LOL, that is amazing.
Battersea Power Station
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Hey, how does FTL travel work in Star Trek? How come the people outside of ships that are warping don't age dramatically faster than those in the ships?
Escape Goat
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Space is warped around the ship. The ship never goes faster than light but the space around it does. Also, a wizard did it.
Battersea Power Station
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I will agree that a wizard did it.
But just putting aside the wizard, for fun, you can't warp space, right? You can only warp spacetime, since space and time are inseparable from each other. Similarly, our Sun is warping spacetime, and we'd perceive, for example, The Voyager spacecraft moving (a tiny bit) more slowly than it thinks it is (i.e. it is aging faster than we are). Now, our Sun only warps it slightly so the effects are negligible, but if you want to get anywhere far away, you would have to warp spacetime like crazy.
Eh, I'll read more about it. NASA's working on it, so obviously there's something I'm misunderstanding.
I think Escape Goat's wrong, actually. What he's talking about—moving space around you—is what people seem to be focusing on for real-life FTL since according to that nitwit Einstein it's impossible to go faster by conventional means.
In Star Trek, you basically go into subspace and travel that way. They wisely) never goes into the nitty-gritty of what the hell that means. Also solves a lot of conventional problems like "how do I send a signal to the other side of the planet" and how you can have instantaneous communications across large distances.
SeventhSon
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Star Trek FTL uses "warp space" tech to propel objects beyond the light barrier.
They don't enter subspace. That is what the Borg do through their "trans warp" conduits.
It's also how Star Wars does FTL, though "hyperspace," where they routinely travel quadrant sized distances in a few days rather than decades.
They don't enter subspace. That is what the Borg do through their "trans warp" conduits.
It's also how Star Wars does FTL, though "hyperspace," where they routinely travel quadrant sized distances in a few days rather than decades.
SpoonyBard
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In some episodes it seems like the warp bubble that the warp engine generates reduces the mass of the ship to almost nothing, so that also help with the acceleration to high speeds. Of course even if it reduced the mass to zero it would be impossible to pass light speed in real space...
Too bad they never really used time dilation effects in stories. It would have been a nice way of explaining Worf's son's soap opera speed ageing for example...
edit: I think subspace is a factor in warp travel tho. Warp drive malfunction can cause a wormhole, which is a subspace phenomenon. And also that TNG episode where they came up with warp speed limits, IIRC had subspace leaking into normal space because the high warp speeds caused something or other...
Too bad they never really used time dilation effects in stories. It would have been a nice way of explaining Worf's son's soap opera speed ageing for example...
edit: I think subspace is a factor in warp travel tho. Warp drive malfunction can cause a wormhole, which is a subspace phenomenon. And also that TNG episode where they came up with warp speed limits, IIRC had subspace leaking into normal space because the high warp speeds caused something or other...
Escape Goat
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Voyager did an episode dealing with time dilation. The Doctor got stranded on the planet for a couple decades if I remember correctly.
Worf's son should never be explained, only dismissed.
SeventhSon
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I think the idea may be that warp fields reduce mass "below zero" from a quantum point of view. It's why ships at warp have no momentum when losing warp capacity and drop out of warp immediately.
I think the TNG Technical Manual explains how the ships use special dampening fields to cancel out time dilation.
Otherwise, most effects that could be related to time dilation were usually discrete space-time fissures or "cracks" that presented a problem to overcome.
SpoonyBard
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Oh yeah, that was a pretty good episode, Blink of an Eye. I was thinking of time dilation because of high speeds and only some Stargate episodes came to mind...
Escape Goat
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i just watched Blink of an Eye episode. He was just gone for 3 years. 1 second on Voyager was something like 3 days on the planet. But of course the expert team of Belanna and Janeway screwed up.
The Real Abed
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The thing I always wondered about Blink of an Eye, and I don't remember if it's explained, but is why the planet seems to only have just been created by the time Voyager shows up. Because we see it from basically the beginning of their existence and shortly after Voyager appears in the sky. But how much of their time had passed before Voyager? Because it would be really weird if it had been around for millennia (our time) because that would equate to a much longer time without any technological advancement. Surely someone would have advanced technology without Voyager being around. How did they not even come up with another religion or something?
Good episode though. Now I want to watch it.
Good episode though. Now I want to watch it.
Eh, I think you can just spin it as Voyager happened to turn up near the beginning of civilization"sheer luck" driven by plot.
SolidSnakeUS
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Honestly, I'd still have say my favorite Voyager episode is Timeless. Such a damn good episode. Harry Kim is actually really fucking good in it.
Honestly, outside of Scorpion, the time episodes are usually really good in Voyager... minus Fury.
Honestly, outside of Scorpion, the time episodes are usually really good in Voyager... minus Fury.
DrForester
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Timeless would be my single favorite Voyager episode as well.
Escape Goat
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Was there an explanation why the briefing room wall was changed? It used to have the ships named Enterprise and then it got changed to a normal wall.
Henchmen21
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Which show are we talking about?
Escape Goat
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Henchmen21
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No, they go into quite a bit of detail about how Warp Drive works. The big glowy flashy things are called nacelles. They contain warp coils made of verterium cortenide submerged in warp plasma. The plasma supplies the energy needed for the coils to warp space, laid out like a bubble. The front of the bubble expands space and the rear contracts it, pushing the ship forward. Inside the bubble you are still travelling at impulse speeds.
There's a real one theorised called the Alcubierre drive as there are so many natural examples of space being warped.
Escape Goat
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Look at picture 1 and picture 4. The models are missing in the later seasons. I was curious if there was a production reason why they changed it or if they just got busted.
Lucky Forward
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The wall with the models is directly opposite the window wall. The wall with the viewscreen in the second photo is perpindicular to the window wall. The models were never taken away, AFAIK.
edit: Now I see the 4th pic you mentioned. That Memory Alpha page you linked has this explanation:
DrForester
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4th picture is from Star Trek Online and would be a generic Galaxy Class observation lounge. I don't remember them ever being removed in the show. I suppose they could have been damaged during Star Trek VI when the Observation Lounge was redressed as the Enterprise A Dining Room for the dinner scene.
Delta Assault
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Um.
*looks at picture 1*
*looks at picture 4*
Your eyesight okay there?
Anyways, I think they probably just took it out cause the oakwood wall with bronzed ships looked a bit 80s.
DrForester
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Again, that 4th picture is from Star Trek Online.
Escape Goat
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I don't think I'm going crazy. Am i going crazy?
The first pic is actually from the series finale.
The first pic is actually from the series finale.
Delta Assault
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Maybe, but if so, they modeled it after TNG's later seasions.
Here:
Best of Both Worlds:
Chain of Command:
The ships be gone, yo.
Lucky Forward
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Sorry, I didn't read the question carefully and didn't look at the 4th picture. See my edit.
SpoonyBard
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Well, I think you are reading between the lines there. They never go into that much detail on how everything works, and occasionally terms subspace bubble and warp bubble are used describing the same thing. They talk about using warp bubble to reducuce mass of an asteroid in episode Deja Q, and I think also in some later episodes. There are no natural examples of space being warped which would indicate the possibility of FTL travel - meaning no near infinite energy sources and/or exotic materials.
Escape Goat
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I watched some of the animated series this morning. Its pretty damn funny. I saw an episode that featured only Spock, Sulu and Uhura which was weird because they didn't shoehorn Kirk or the Enterprise in anywhere. In fact, you never see or hear them.
Uhura got stunned 3 or 4 times though.
Uhura got stunned 3 or 4 times though.
AnotherNils
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It has something to do with the filming of the undiscovered country. Either a model was damaged or someone liked the alternate wall installed for the film.
DrForester
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It's strange, because they used an even different wall in the film to serve the food.
SolidSnakeUS
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The Slaver Weapon?
Escape Goat
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Yeah, and the other one I watched felt like a He-Man episode. Spock and Kirk were selected to retrieve some artifact for the cat people.
I'm quoting the technical manuals. Also the Alcubierre drive is explicitly inspired by ST's warp drive.
SpoonyBard
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Well, the technical manuals also talk about dolphin navigators being on Enterprise D... I don't consider them being canon the same way TV episodes are.
Escape Goat
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So Wesley was just pressing buttons that didn't do shit. Everything is so clear now.
Pretty much. The technical manuals are thrown out there so the extreme nerds have something to chew on, but ultimately they're going to be ignored or overwritten whenever it's necessary or convenient.