The Get Down |OT| The boogie down Bronx (Baz Luhrmann - August 12th)

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Jaden Smith is fucking awful in every role he plays. I have no idea how a casting director could look at his tape and give him a job.
He is worse in other things
That's a compliment
Actually good since i expected nothing from him
Shao's random ass parkour and kung fu sound effects will never fail to crack to me up

You might think he has super powers if you don't pay enough attention
 
Jaden was fine tho

Jaden was actually really really good. He's exactly what I pictured a younger version of my uncle. Completely high all the time, spaced out but capable of making some great stuff.

Just finished it, I need part 2 now...that was so much fun to watch. I love hip-hop and I know its roots but seeing it in this context with these tall tale-esque versions of real life DJs was amazing.

Jaden was great all throughout to me. Perfect role for him, he basically got to play himself.

i think that him being a mooncase actually worked out for this role. he did a pretty good job so far

He is worse in other things
That's a compliment
Actually good since i expected nothing from him


You might think he has super powers if you don't pay enough attention
The bit I saw of him in the first episode didn't indicate that he was any better in this than he has been in other stuff. It doesn't really matter, though, since I doubt I'll be watching any more of this.
 
Soundtrack is up on Apple Music. Good shit.

https://itun.es/us/Ktw_db

I'm so glad Up The Ladder has Zeke's verse in it, even though they're rips from the show itself. That's the most beautiful part of the series.

Also, Ep 3, can we talk about
how affecting Francisco and Lydia's whole scene was? That shit really wrecked me in the context of everything else going on in those moments. Really incredible stuff. Also, no way Francisco isn't Mylene's father. ("Not since 1960" [17 years ago, do the math])

Also, sad news (Ep 6)
the Star Wars sample is not on the soundtrack.
 
The bit I saw of him in the first episode didn't indicate that he was any better in this than he has been in other stuff. It doesn't really matter, though, since I doubt I'll be watching any more of this.

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Not sure how you can bash him for being awful and question the casting director, when the casting director nailed the role that Jaden plays.
 
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Not sure how you can bash him for being awful and question the casting director, when the casting director nailed the role that Jaden plays.

Seriously. Do casting directors get Emmys? Everyone played their roles so superbly. Jaden wasn't just a spaced out hippy type. He looked like a direct product of his father while his bros were a bit more down to earth. If he wasn't there, it would've been just another crew of hip-hoppers. I really like what he brought to the dynamic. He has rhythm too.
 
I got that, but the technical execution of it didn't work for me. I love the idea of mythologizing this time period and was excited to watch it, but the bad CG, the terrible editing, the inexplicable pacing, the mediocre cinematography made me lose faith that the artificial, cheesy qualities were intentional. The cutaways to stock news footage also seemed like a really lazy way of providing historical context.

I only watched the first half of the first episode so maybe it gets better, but it's obviously not for me.

These are my thoughts. I went in expecting a more serious piece, I don't know...more stylized like Crooklyn or something.

My fault for doing so but man I really wanted to love this but I don't know.

Maybe my wife and I will watch more but we just finished OITNB, starting up Stranger Things, and then I'm probably going solo with Luke Cage lol.
 
I finished it last night and those reviews were spot on. It was tonally all over the place, acting was subpar, editing was poor at spots, main lead wasn't that strong, but damn if I wasn't charmed by the show. Netflix gotta quit ending seasons in the middle of nowhere man. I'm like "wait it's over already?"
 
I finished it last night and those reviews were spot on. It was tonally all over the place, acting was subpar, editing was poor at spots, main lead wasn't that strong, but damn if I wasn't charmed by the show. Netflix gotta quit ending seasons in the middle of nowhere man. I'm like "wait it's over already?"

i thought it was pretty perfect. If they'd ended BEFORE the last ten minutes it'd be a real different story.
 
Seriously. Do casting directors get Emmys? Everyone played their roles so superbly. Jaden wasn't just a spaced out hippy type. He looked like a direct product of his father while his bros were a bit more down to earth. If he wasn't there, it would've been just another crew of hip-hoppers. I really like what he brought to the dynamic. He has rhythm too.

Agreed. I loved him and his tag escapades.
 
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Not sure how you can bash him for being awful and question the casting director, when the casting director nailed the role that Jaden plays.
Because I don't think he was great in the role he was cast for? It's not a hard thing to get. Y'all liked him, I didn't.
 
Honestly, I don't trust most critics when it comes to black stories on the screen. They're often so far away from it, and are commonly more willing to be far more harsh towards such stories. I saw the word "mess" in a lot of reviews for The Get Down and that word not once showed in my vocabulary for describing the show. If you care to look at most black movies/shows you'd see low review scores for most of them which rate pretty highly among actual black viewers. Trusting critics when it comes to shows that star mostly minorities will often result in disappointment. Just watch it for yourself.

Reminds me of that video Seren made for The Wiz Live where critics bashed what is considered a hallmark in Black American theater, which you can watch here.

I agree 100%.
 
Because I don't think he was great in the role he was cast for? It's not a hard thing to get. Y'all liked him, I didn't.

"The bit I saw of him in the first episode..."

Because you are basing your post on an incredibly small sample size. You admitted yourself you didn't go past the first episode.
 
"The bit I saw of him in the first episode..."

Because you are basing your post on an incredibly small sample size. You admitted yourself you didn't go past the first episode.

He should watch more as this show shines right after episode one. One ends on a high note. But the lead up is choppy. Zeke is whiny, Mylene only cares about herself, boo ra-ra and dizzy look so unimportant, and shao looks like he's playing around. By the end of the show you want each of these guys to succeed cause they grow.
 
Fat Annie plot was boring at first but overall the show was amazing, I was liking all the characters except Cadillac by the end.
 
Does anyone think that Zeke is going to end up in prison or something? He's making a name for himself as early as 1977, but it looks like he doesn't have his big career moment until 1996. 20 years is a long gap for that...
 
Does anyone think that Zeke is going to end up in prison or something? He's making a name for himself as early as 1977, but it looks like he doesn't have his big career moment until 1996. 20 years is a long gap for that...

After episode 3 I see Zeke a bit differently. He has a go get it mentality and when loyalty is in question, he's a stand up guy. Episode 5 showed he wasn't about violence tho. I can see him going to jail on something drug related. Or him taking the fall.

I don't remember the episode but theres the part where the backup singers are doing their thing and adult Zeke takes off his glasses and looks like he's having a moment of either regret or loss. I'm going to assume it's tied to losing Mylene. As in she's dead. He might be tied to something with that.

Guess we'll see in 2017.
 
After episode 3 I see Zeke a bit differently. He has a go get it mentality and when loyalty is in question, he's a stand up guy. Episode 5 showed he wasn't about violence tho. I can see him going to jail on something drug related. Or him taking the fall.

I don't remember the episode but theres the part where the backup singers are doing their thing and adult Zeke takes off his glasses and looks like he's having a moment of either regret or loss. I'm going to assume it's tied to losing Mylene. As in she's dead. He might be tied to something with that.

Guess we'll see in 2017.

Here's how I see it playing out

Due to the trajectory of Disco and Shaolin's emergence in the drug trade and the crack epidemic around the corner, Mylene is going to have a big falling out with Zeke about hip hop AND his job being a load of bullshit, as Koch's policies get Dizz arrested. Zeke begs her to trust him, that he knows what he's doing, but she doesn't buy it, she's too distraught as she gets dropped by her label. She ends up chilling with Shaolin, who offers her some drugs. Her and Jackie have an epic bender as both their fortunes fade and Mylene dies. Zeke blames Shaolin and they have a permanent falling out. Zeke throws himself into his art as a solo artist, leaving Shaolin with nothing but the drug trade. Series ends with Shao in prison, listening to Zeke's latest single on a smuggled in discman, a small smile on his face.
 
Finished earlier today, really liked it. Tonally it's all over the place, funny at times, heart wrenching at others, pretty damned dark in between, it's great like that though, you don't really know what you're getting every other scene. Sort of disappointed they dropped much of the stylized aspects they had in Episode 1 the further in you get.

Jaden can be jarring at the start, but you realize he's perfect for the part as you get to know the characters more. Episode 3
"is it just me today, or is it like the Bronx is getting closer to the sun?" could be straight of his twitter feed no? :) cracked me up.

I'm so glad Up The Ladder has Zeke's verse in it, even though they're rips from the show itself. That's the most beautiful part of the series.

Also, Ep 3, can we talk about
how affecting Francisco and Lydia's whole scene was? That shit really wrecked me in the context of everything else going on in those moments. Really incredible stuff. Also, no way Francisco isn't Mylene's father. ("Not since 1960" [17 years ago, do the math])

Also, sad news (Ep 6)
the Star Wars sample is not on the soundtrack.

Re your Episode 3 spoiler, Episode 6
It's pretty much confirmed with the last Francisco/Ms. Cruz scene right?
 
Love the energy and overall vibe of the pilot. Love how it switches from so many genres of music, historical footage, on set stuff, and on location stuff so abruptly. Baz's style works for this type of story for me. Best Can song for sure. Every time that shit came on I was bobbing my head.
 
still Episode 6
I mean, I had my suspicions throughout, but that scene sort of confirmed it for me. "our little girl" I think Fransisco says at one point. Could've interpreted the scene wrong I suppose

I don't think you interpreted it wrong.
 
Does anyone think that Zeke is going to end up in prison or something? He's making a name for himself as early as 1977, but it looks like he doesn't have his big career moment until 1996. 20 years is a long gap for that...

My predictions:

Mylene may not be affected by the disco sales, because disco just became "dance music". Also, her single Set Me Free, is gospel as fuck. So she may have a market in that, as the 80's were when gospel really took off. For the sake of drama though, let's say in 1978 the record company goes tip top and she loses her contract and music career.

Diz will likely get arrested due to Koch's policies. Diz getting arrested may set Zeke down the path towards being for himself and realize his internship is bullshit and he helped create it. He'll probably then quit and drop out of school, which won't sit well with Mylene. He might get kicked out too. Rapper's Delight comes out in 1979 and shows hip hop could be sold commercially. He may give everything on becoming a rapper as his out. Diz might start a relationship with Thor. If the show goes into the 80's, I predict them getting HIV. Koch won't do shit, giving Zeke further guilt for his part in assisting him get elected when Diz dies from it.

If quitting the internship won't ruin Zeke's career prospects, crack taking over his neighborhood will. I can see him getting into illegal activity for pure survival, with Shao as his teacher. He may or not get busted.

It's obvious that Fat Annie will want to check out the sets Shao and the gang are having, especially due to the successful drug sales through Shao, and her and Cadillac will realize they were the ones who stole their shit. Shit hits the fan.

Of course there's also the possibility Four Plus One makes it just like their namesake. despite all of this. Who knows, can't wait to find out. 2017 is too far away.
 
I'm only two episodes in but as someone who doesn't know a lot about the time in the US and the early days of Hip Hop, it's really interesting to see Disco being a dirty game in relation to drugs and violence and Hip Hop being kind of like the getaway from that (although I'm sure things go downhill).

I'm only really familiar with 90s rap culture and enjoyed disco music in the past without ever jumping deep into it so it's funny because I always associated the former with violence and the latter as kind of nice, smiley happy time in music history.
 
Disco was all sex and drugs in the 70s. It doesn't really matter what genre it was though, if it was big in pop culture in the 70s then you were gonna get some drugs with it too.
 
Disco was all sex and drugs in the 70s. It doesn't really matter what genre it was though, if it was big in pop culture in the 70s then you were gonna get some drugs with it too.

Yeah I'm sure that's the case. I just think modern media and culture tends to look back on that musical period with rose tinted glasses. But maybe that's cause I'm misinformed more than anything else.
 
Yeah I'm sure that's the case. I just think modern media and culture tends to look back on that musical period with rose tinted glasses. But maybe that's cause I'm misinformed more than anything else.

They don't. They tend to trash disco. The Get Down is one of the more respectable and portrayals of disco I've seen in mainstream media.
 
I'm only two episodes in but as someone who doesn't know a lot about the time in the US and the early days of Hip Hop, it's really interesting to see Disco being a dirty game in relation to drugs and violence and Hip Hop being kind of like the getaway from that (although I'm sure things go downhill).

I'm only really familiar with 90s rap culture and enjoyed disco music in the past without ever jumping deep into it so it's funny because I always associated the former with violence and the latter as kind of nice, smiley happy time in music history.

Eh. A bit backwards. It's not that hip hop is a getaway from disco. Hip hop is a getaway from the realities of being a marginalized minority.

The essence of both genres is accurately shown in the show. Disco is about freedom of identity, self love, and positivity; hip hop is about rebellion in the light of marginalization, and showing the powers that be that you exist. This is why the stories of Mylean and Ezekial and their friends are so important. In Mylene's case her voice and wants are shuttered through her pious and divided family. Disco gives her peace because it allows her to be her true self. In Zeke's case, his mother and father were murdered in front of his eyes; he has deep, raw anger for it and the world. His friends are rebels. No one cares about them except their inner circle of family and friends. They live in a place full of decay and despair. To the world, they don't matter. Through hip hop, they tell the world that exist which allows them to rebel in the only outlet they have available. So Dizzee sprays trains in the word of Rumi, to show the world he exists. Zeke writes poetry, which later turns into rapping, to show the he exists, that he's special, that he's a goddamn somebody.

It's not that hip hop is a getaway from disco, on the contrary. If you keep watching, look on how disco and hip hop actually fed off and inspired each other in their earlier days. It's more like, hip hop is one of the only avenues they have that exists where they can show the world that not nobodies, either through tagging or rapping or djing. When you hear the booms of the speakers, you can't ignore it. When you see graffiti you can't ignore it. It's there, and you are immortalized and transcended. Hip hop isn't a getaway from disco, it's a getaway from being trapped in the ghetto. Disco isn't about transcendence it's about the here and now and enjoying the freedom that comes with loving yourself as you are (Coming Out Tonight, Got To Be Real).
 
Hoooly shit man I loved that dj battle at the end of episode 6. Man I didn't expect to like it that much but this is by far the best scripted drama I've seen on Netflix.

So much exuberance and the weird 70s kung fu vibe they apply to it all as well works so good. This is the best thing I've seen from Baz by a landslide.

What part 2 needs is more of his vision tho. Episodes 2-6 were enjoyable but it needed more of that blaxploitation and kung fu vibe to the get down crew scenes.

I also really like how they intersperse old news footage of the 70s within the series.
 
The thing about Vinyl is that given the time period it should have been about hip hop, but for some reason it was centered around a pretty generic punk group? Like what? Made no sense.

They did the subject matter right here, and properly focused it on the streets and the rise of hip-hop from a ground level, instead of a fucking idiotic, self-destructive record executive.

Loved how they did all that and included how early hip hop mixing was actually performed, showing the positivity that started the movement. Really respecting the subject matter in a way you don't see often. Loved how fantastical it felt, like a super hero origin story almost.

I'm not a Baz Luhrman fan (don't hate him either fwiw) but this really hit with me.

TBH I didn't mind the focus of the group in Vinyl. I think it's biggest issue is that it was trying to be something that it wasn't. I feel like if they would have stuck with how these record producers in the 70s lived their life and made music famous, it would have been way better. Instead there was all of this extra fluff (the murder, the history with the black dude, problems at home) that I felt wasn't really the core of the story. Whereas the get down aims at first to paint a picture of life in the bronx in the 70s and how music was infused with it. Like how you said, focusing on the rise of hip-hop from the ground level.

That said, yeah I'm in agreement with all your points. I'm really curious to see what they do with the second half. My impression is that

They'll continue to battle the other crews and it ends with them getting a deal or something
 
Hoooly shit man I loved that dj battle at the end of episode 6. Man I didn't expect to like it that much but this is by far the best scripted drama I've seen on Netflix.

So much exuberance and the weird 70s kung fu vibe they apply to it all as well works so good. This is the best thing I've seen from Baz by a landslide.

What part 2 needs is more of his vision tho. Episodes 2-6 were enjoyable but it needed more of that blaxploitation and kung fu vibe to the get down crew scenes.

I also really like how they intersperse old news footage of the 70s within the series.

I heard Baz is directing the final episode too. I hope it's extended like the first episode. But in terms of being a general showrunner, I feel he has done a great job in making the entire series feel like something he owns. There's way more of his style and sensibility throughout the series than with other series relying on big name directors doing an episode or two and putting their name on it like House of Cards and Boardwalk Empire (I love Boardwalk, but it's clearly a Terrance Winter show). The last time I watched a show which I felt was bleeding the director's style throughout was.... Luck. RIP.
 
Another theory.

Major spoilers. Don't read unless you've watched all of pt1.

Mylene will lose her contract and find out it was Zeke's idea to steal the equipment AND find her dad is actually her uncle. This will destroy her world and ruin her and set her in a depressive funk. When crack comes, she'll find a new "friend" and not recover. Talented church girl who dreams of going to a better place who winds up addicted to crack is pure hood drama and I'm betting it's what will happen.
 
What's wrong with dropping the tape? Place was crowded and at that point it was best it wasn't found on them anyways.

You're assuming I cared for his character in the first three episodes lol. Def my least fav out of the siblings but his talent in ep 5 is cool.

Edit: that DJ battle was ridiculous. Netflix is lame for this 2 part shit tho
 
Watched up til episode 5 and loved it. It's fun, even when it gets heavy. Yeah, just plain fun, man, something Vinyl was not.
 
After 3 episodes, I'm just absolutely infatuated with Guardiola. She is stunning.

I kinda hated Jaden at first, cause he's either a bad actor, or he was told to play himself. It's grown on me now, but he's still my least favorite character.

I'm fairly ignorant of these subcultures/locations, but that black out and Shao's tenement is some dystopian shit I would not have expected in the US. I sometimes can't tell what's fantasy, what's merely exxagerated, and what's 100% authentic.

It's fascinating to watch though.
 
After 3 episodes, I'm just absolutely infatuated with Guardiola. She is stunning.

I kinda hated Jaden at first, cause he's either a bad actor, or he was told to play himself. It's grown on me now, but he's still my least favorite character.

I'm fairly ignorant of these subcultures/locations, but that black out and Shao's tenement is some dystopian shit I would not have expected in the US. I sometimes can't tell what's fantasy, what's merely exxagerated, and what's 100% authentic.

It's fascinating to watch though.

That blackout happened. Lasted days.

Certain things are exaggerated but authentic. For instance, Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc, and Afrika Bambaataa (we no longer talk about him) are basically considered the founding fathers of hip hop. So the show treats them like Gods, especially Flash.

The gangs like Savage Warlords are legit.

Ed Koch campaigning on the idea of cleaning up NYC is legit.

NYC used to be something else.
 
The last time I watched a show which I felt was bleeding the director's style throughout was.... Luck. RIP.

No doubt :( Manns footprints were all over that one.

And yeah at the end of the day the rest of the episodes are less stylized but you can still see glimpses of that exaggerated effect baz has on his work. Also gotta give a big shout out to the music on this. They did real good to get people like Nas and Flash to help with that. The flows in here are tight (well we knew jaden could rap but everybody else was in question). And the scratching and dj mixes rock too. Plus having nas dub in for the older zeke is the best decision they could have made for a 90s NY rapper (aside from jayz, but that would have sounded weird as hell lol).

Man the way you hear the girls sing the anthem right as the dj battle is about to start is so dope haha. That whole build up was tense as fuck. They knew what they were doing with that whole scene there. Felt like a big superbowl kickoff
 
No doubt :( Manns footprints were all over that one.

And yeah at the end of the day the rest of the episodes are less stylized but you can still see glimpses of that exaggerated effect baz has on his work. Also gotta give a big shout out to the music on this. They did real good to get people like Nas and Flash to help with that. The flows in here are tight (well we knew jaden could rap but everybody else was in question). And the scratching and dj mixes rock too. Plus having nas dub in for the older zeke is the best decision they could have made for a 90s NY rapper (aside from jayz, but that would have sounded weird as hell lol).

Man the way you hear the girls sing the anthem right as the dj battle is about to start is so dope haha. That whole build up was tense as fuck. They knew what they were doing with that whole scene there. Felt like a big superbowl kickoff

I have watched the DJ battle about five times now.

How the Anthem blends in and into Star Wars theme is just the business.

I have listened to the soundtrack on Apple Music and I love it to pieces.
 
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