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The Guardian: E3 2017 diversity report - female characters mask lack of progress
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Or Baseball and bat flipping and having the 50 year old white fanbase NOT yell at ya
that's what I was saying?
Garrett Hawke
Member
Why? It's just another lens to view E3 through. Diversity is important, and worth talking about.
LOL, hey it is about respect for the game and the team
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Not if you get things wrong. The scoring is really silly but at least get your information correct. Also it weaves between actual facts and personal opinions that I find it odd.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Not like this.
Articles like this encourage companies to go about it the wrong way.
What exactly should people consider to be enough?
Garrett Hawke
Member
I agree they should've been much more thorough in their research, but the concept is fine imo.
How would you suggest it? I feel like a big issue for people in this thread is the score. If they took that out would it be better?
TheDarkKnight774
Member
How would you answer your own question. If you were to do a rating, what would a 5/5 diversity rating look like?
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Did you read the article?
It's not progressive or helpful in any way. This is not good way to go about this.
Twilight Gap
Member
The worst part is that they gave Sony the highest rating. I've never been bothered by the whole diversity thing until Sony's conference where it felt like every game was a third person action adventure RPG lead by a buff white dude. How about we get some diversity in genres too, because maybe it wouldn't be a problem if these games weren't the exact same formula.
The Faceless Master
Member
surprised they count Nadine after mentioning the ethnicity of the voice actor in Battlefront.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
They would have to start from the beginning. They trivialize a bunch of issues with a 'holier than thou' approach.
WrenchNinja
Member
Did you zone out for some of the conference
What does that have to do with what he ask?
What is enough measure by here?
The Faceless Master
Member
Twilight Gap
Member
It was boring after Horizon's trailer.
At least then "white males" would know how it feels for others not like them for the last decades (if not centuries).
jeremy1456
Junior Member
That's not the person I was responding to.
The Faceless Master
Member
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I love how they're assigning a point value to race/gender in video games.
I wonder what would grant a company more points; a black male protagonist or a female protagonist? Are Asians worth more points than native Americans?
See what I mean? This entire concept is preposterous.
I wonder what would grant a company more points; a black male protagonist or a female protagonist? Are Asians worth more points than native Americans?
See what I mean? This entire concept is preposterous.
The Faceless Master
Member
a F2M wheelchair bound blind dark hispanic pansexual character.
I dunno about giving this kind of stuff a rating/score, y'all can hash that out if you want, but I don't like how his post implied that we should be content.
Yes I read it. I'm asking him if he could clarify what he means by it never being enough.
Lol right, rating system aside, we can always do better.
Kind of like the guy in the top-right, but with shorter hair.
Guess I was born generic.
Cheat Code
Member
I mean thats a dumbass image considering how different a big chunk of them look.
There is definitely an archetype for white dude protagonists but this demonstrates it terribly.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
We would have to ask The Guardian (or the members here who think this is a decent article) but would F2M be worth a higher rating than M2F? And by how many points? Should we feel pat ourselves on the backs for purchasing a game with an Asian protagonist?
Diversity can be determined by point values, and some of youbare accepting this which is truly bizarre.
The Faceless Master
Member
maybe so, but there are thirty six of them available.
Sony - Diversity rating: 4/5
Player character diversity: Its unclear whether Nadine or Chloe will be the player character for Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, but to see two women, one of whom isnt white, headlining is great. If it were a standalone, full-length title, that would be even better.
Well... Chole is Indian, the game IS standalone and apparently with full [U1-like] length for $40.
Player character diversity: Its unclear whether Nadine or Chloe will be the player character for Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, but to see two women, one of whom isnt white, headlining is great. If it were a standalone, full-length title, that would be even better.
Well... Chole is Indian, the game IS standalone and apparently with full [U1-like] length for $40.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Pointing out how much progress we still need to make doesn't mean we haven't made strides. It just makes you uncomfortable. Which is good.
I'm not saying the race issue is still stuck in the 20th century when I point out how bad people of color still have it compared to their white contemporaries today.
So you're god damn right it still isn't enough.
The Faceless Master
Member
F2M definitely scores more, M2F is quite popular in the media.
WrenchNinja
Member
Lost Legacy - Indian and Black women
Horizon - white woman
Days gone - white dude
Monster hunter - Asian dude
Shadow of the colossus - Asian dude
Call of duty - first person what
Ffxv fishing - Japanese boy band
Skyrim vr - first person what
Bravo team - first person what
Star child - lady
Moss - it's a fucking mouse
God of war - Greek dude
Detroit - it's fucking jesse williams
Spider-man - the white one
LightofRohan
Member
Can you explain?
Which ones do you mean?
Undertale
Uncharted Lost Legacy
Horizon Zero Dawn
Monster Hunter
Days Gone
Shadow of the Colossus
God of War
Destiny 2
Bravo Team
Detroit
Spiderman
Elder Scrolls V
The Inpatient
Star Child
Final Fantasy XV: Monsters of the Deep
Moss
Hidden Agenda
Knack 2
Evrybodys Golf
Gran Turismo
Matterfall
LocoRoco 2
Superhot
Did you only see Days Gone then black out?
jeremy1456
Junior Member
As I said, how many points would you give to a company making a game with a black male protagonist? Would it be worth more than another company making a game with a white female protagonist?
You're accepting that we can score and weight races/genders. So I mean, good luck 'fighting for diversity.'
Since you're okay tallying a score related to race/gender I would love to hear how you rate yourself, and how much each black/Hispanic/Asian friend you have is worth as far as point value goes.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I don't think anyone will ever know what it's like to be as truly hated and despised as you are.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Wtf
Well then...
MugiwaraCole
Member
I'm a nigga, so you can cut that shit out.
The scoring system is whatever, but, playing along, a black man would be worth more than a white woman lol. The point is to get people talking about diversity. It's doing that. People looking at this and saying "this is how you get people against diversity" don't actually care about it. They're just looking for an excuse not to so they can feel better about themselves.
Twilight Gap
Member
First 5 games felt similar and then I tuned out through VR. Looking at that list I still feel the same about Sony's catalog. Not white, sure, but not unique enough to me.
Sure, but they give Sony a high rating and then criticize one of the few stand out games on that list for "not sitting well." It's extremely petty.
MugiwaraCole
Member
The topic isn't how bored you were or weren't watching the presser.
Clearly not obvious enough for whoever wrote that. Does anyone edit this stuff?
Red Dolphin
Member
I find it amusing that games that have female leads but also offer male options are less diverse than a female only option.