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The Gundam |OT2| Another 5 years of Gunpla, Origins, and GUNDAMUUUU!

I love Char's Zaku II and Z'Gok. Also love the Dom.

Favorite character is probably Char, but Kai would be a close second. I like Amuro overall, but just focusing on 0079 I would put him lower than Char and Kai.
 

RangerBAD

Member
Wait. Macross Mikimoto worked on Hathaway's Flash?

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Look closely at Mirai.
 

Shun

Member
In terms of 0079 mobile suits, Kampfer technically counts cuz it is developed and stationed during the final moments of 0079.

So Kampfer. (Also a suit that really deserves a 2.0)

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Aina Sahalin is bae.

Everyone is going to say someone like Char, so I guess Bright is a character I appreciated more as he grounds the series and makes the subsequent events more relatable in perspective.

Johnny Ridden is a legendary character.
 

novenD

Member
In terms of 0079 mobile suits, Kampfer technically counts cuz it is developed and stationed during the final moments of 0079.

So Kampfer. (Also a suit that really deserves a 2.0)

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Aina Sahalin is bae.

Everyone is going to say someone like Char, so I guess Bright is a character I appreciated more as he grounds the series and makes the subsequent events more relatable in perspective.

Johnny Ridden is a legendary character.

Wow, you stole my post.

Also, animated Crossbone might be a thing?!?!?

Do it Sunrise. DO IT.
 

RangerBAD

Member
Yeah the artwork is nice. I've only really consumed Macross in the animated medium, never manga. I think I've seen more Kawamori valk sketches than Mikimoto character designs.

Well, he did Macross 7's designs and the much talked about (around here) 0080. Not to mention one of the greatest anime OVAs ever Gunbuster.
 
Well, he did Macross 7's designs and the much talked about (around here) 0080. Not to mention one of the greatest anime OVAs ever Gunbuster.
7 for the most part had some nice character designs, only saw half of 0080 (I find the kid annoying so couldn't finish it) and never saw Gunbuster.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
So every day before I go to bed I watch two episodes of Gundam AGE and then one episode of Build Fighters TRY.

I must say there is no better way to optimize positive reactions to a Gundam series than by airing it after AGE. It makes Try look godly by comparison.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Maybe if you want something to put you to sleep.

Every good thing in AGE is ruined by two bad things. That and the first ten episodes or so are boring as anything.

Even other bad Gundam series are never what I would call boring.
 
Maybe if you want something to put you to sleep.

Every good thing in AGE is ruined by two bad things. That and the first ten episodes or so are boring as anything.

Even other bad Gundam series are never what I would call boring.
I have no energy. Age would probably just cause me to leap out of my ground floor window.
 
Maybe if you want something to put you to sleep.

Every good thing in AGE is ruined by two bad things. That and the first ten episodes or so are boring as anything.

Even other bad Gundam series are never what I would call boring.

Gundam Seed took me 2 months to watch because I kept falling asleep
 

Ceallach

Smells like fresh rosebuds
Maybe if you want something to put you to sleep.

Every good thing in AGE is ruined by two bad things. That and the first ten episodes or so are boring as anything.

Even other bad Gundam series are never what I would call boring.
I appreciate AGE more than the only other bad Gundam series (SEED/Destiny). It at least tried something. I enjoyed it a lot more than those two.
 

ramyeon

Member
Finished Zeta Gundam.

They really weren't holding back in those last couple of episodes holy shit.

So many hard hitting deaths, and no real closure so I guess it's left open for ZZ to pick up from.
 
Finished Zeta Gundam.

They really weren't holding back in those last couple of episodes holy shit.

So many hard hitting deaths, and no real closure so I guess it's left open for ZZ to pick up from.

just a warning ZZ will be disappointing for the first 15 episodes going right into it from Zeta. but it will grow on you afterwards as the story picks up. part of it is bc Zeta was so good. but ZZ is worth it if you can follow through.

during the first 15 episodes i almost quit and stopped. it's that tough to swallow.

Zeta's probably one of the best series.
 

CBTech

Member
Finished Zeta Gundam.

They really weren't holding back in those last couple of episodes holy shit.

So many hard hitting deaths, and no real closure so I guess it's left open for ZZ to pick up from.

just a warning ZZ will be disappointing for the first 15 episodes going right into it from Zeta. but it will grow on you afterwards as the story picks up. part of it is bc Zeta was so good. but ZZ is worth it if you can follow through.

during the first 15 episodes i almost quit and stopped. it's that tough to swallow.

Zeta's probably one of the best series.

The tonal shift going from Zeta to ZZ is jarring. It is such a big shift that it almost felt like ZZ was disrespecting Zeta and the characters. ZZ does get better after episode 20-something.
 
The tonal shift going from Zeta to ZZ is jarring. It is such a big shift that it almost felt like ZZ was disrespecting Zeta and the characters. ZZ does get better after episode 20-something.

^yeah, couldn't expressed it any better than this.. that's the feeling i got too.... i did feel ZZ was disrespecting Zeta so it was tough to swallow. like someone giving a toast at a wedding and saying inappropriate things to the point where it's so bad you don't think it can recover. lol

i kept asking myself "where is this going?" "i doubt this can recover..." lol
 
When I was marathon in the franchise, I went 0079 > Zeta > G > ZZ.

Mostly because my friend wanted me to watch G. It was the only gundam he liked at the time. When I did jump back in with ZZ I didn't have that backlash.

I think the tonal shift works in ZZ's favor. Helps ZZ establish it's own identity rather than be Z season 2
 

CBTech

Member
When I was marathon in the franchise, I went 0079 > Zeta > G > ZZ.

Mostly because my friend wanted me to watch G. It was the only gundam he liked at the time. When I did jump back in with ZZ I didn't have that backlash.

I think the tonal shift works in ZZ's favor. Helps ZZ establish it's own identity rather than be Z season 2

I can see that. My problem is that I did try to jump into ZZ right after watching Zeta and it really put me off. I stopped right after Moon Moon on my first attempt to watch ZZ. That arc just put me off completely. Amusing, since the show gets significantly better right after that arc. When I tried to watch ZZ again years later, I still thought it was ridiculous but I ended up liking it more.

Beecha and Mundo can jump off a cliff though. Those two are unforgivably bad.
 
I hope Gundam Versus PS4 can deliver on the promise for a global market. I dunno what they meant by that, but to me it gives me hope for a western release and daresay PC crossplay.

Rise of Incarnates was a watered down Gundam Versus for PC and that failed catastrophically, so I'm not optimistic about that last part tho.
 

putermcgee

Junior Member
You know what I really like about Age? The non-gundam mobile suits like Genoace, Adele, and Shaldoll. I also kind of like the Farsia MS, but dislike every other vegan MS. The Genoace evolution doesn't go so well in the 3rd age, though.
 

CBTech

Member
You know what I really like about Age? The non-gundam mobile suits like Genoace, Adele, and Shaldoll. I also kind of like the Farsia MS, but dislike every other vegan MS. The Genoace evolution doesn't go so well in the 3rd age, though.

The Vagan suits were the only good designs. They reminded me of Zone of the Enders orbital frames. Legilis is a great design.
 

ramyeon

Member
just a warning ZZ will be disappointing for the first 15 episodes going right into it from Zeta. but it will grow on you afterwards as the story picks up. part of it is bc Zeta was so good. but ZZ is worth it if you can follow through.

during the first 15 episodes i almost quit and stopped. it's that tough to swallow.

Zeta's probably one of the best series.

The tonal shift going from Zeta to ZZ is jarring. It is such a big shift that it almost felt like ZZ was disrespecting Zeta and the characters. ZZ does get better after episode 20-something.
I am actually looking forward to a bit of a tonal shift. I don't know if I could do another 50 episodes of Zeta style Gundam right now. The bit about disrespecting the Zeta characters does worry me a bit though. I'm gonna try and go in open minded.
Kamille legit flipped his shit over Emma.
Poor guy just couldn't catch a break in those last few episodes (Actually, pretty much for the duration of the show).
And then Scirocco goes and breaks his mind as a parting gift.
Kamille definitely got the short end of the stick compared to Amuro.
 
I am actually looking forward to a bit of a tonal shift. I don't know if I could do another 50 episodes of Zeta style Gundam right now. The bit about disrespecting the Zeta characters does worry me a bit though. I'm gonna try and go in open minded.

Poor guy just couldn't catch a break in those last few episodes (Actually, pretty much for the duration of the show).
And then Scirocco goes and breaks his mind as a parting gift.
Kamille definitely got the short end of the stick compared to Amuro.
Go watch ZZ it's not about Kamille but he gets some growth. Fa's one of my favorites and Kamille is one of my favorite UC protags. He's Shinn done right. One of the females straight up treats Fa like crap over something petty. So yeah there is some disrespect to what's left of the Zeta crew. Bright doesn't even give enough of a shit to Bright slap anybody and Zeta Bright was ready to throw down too.
 

novenD

Member
The Vagan suits were the only good designs. They reminded me of Zone of the Enders orbital frames. Legilis is a great design.

I knew I wasn't the only one

I KNEW IT

You're good people CB

On that note, plan for the Legilis HG right now is to go in hard on the painting; primer, top coat, everything. I've got to get the practice in before we start on the Unicorn...
 

ramyeon

Member
Go watch ZZ it's not about Kamille but he gets some growth. Fa's one of my favorites and Kamille is one of my favorite UC protags. He's Shinn done right. One of the females straight up treats Fa like crap over something petty. So yeah there is some disrespect to what's left of the Zeta crew. Bright doesn't even give enough of a shit to Bright slap anybody and Zeta Bright was ready to throw down too.
Yeah I like Kamille. I prefer him from a design standpoint to Amuro but I also appreciate that he kind of just got shit done. Amuro tended to whine a lot towards the start of the series about having to fight. I suppose Kamille just had more reasons to want to fight at the end of the day.
 
Yeah I like Kamille. I prefer him from a design standpoint to Amuro but I also appreciate that he kind of just got shit done. Amuro tended to whine a lot towards the start of the series about having to fight. I suppose Kamille just had more reasons to want to fight at the end of the day.
Amuro was never bullied by a set of Zeon's like Kamille with the Titans, not to mention, "Kamille, I was expecting a girl, but you're a guy." I think Kamille was a bit more fucked up than Amuro was. Sure Amuro had some parental issues, but I don't think they were on the same planet as Kamille's. I think Kamille's biggest problem was that he was outspoken and you kind of had to get him to just follow orders, but it wasn't as bad as early Amuro and fucking Katz. I really don't think Amuro got his shit in gear till that red head chick died. Kamille from the outset seemed like he wanted to fight for two reasons. One was to punish the strong and the other was to protect the people he cared about, it took Amuro quite some time to figure out why he climbed into the Gundam's pilot seat on a regular basis, which I think are two elements that they combined with Kira.
 
Amuro and Kamille are two very different characters, but I like both A LOT.

Amuro: I consider him to be one of the greatest anime characters ever created. He is an example of character development done perfectly. I really enjoy his arc across all of UC.

Too often, writers have character development go too far. A character that starts off the show/movie/etc has their flaws fixed by the end of the piece. Amuro isn't like that at all. He starts off a very flawed individual. He's extremely anti-social. He's selfish. He's a "good" person but also a bit of a dick, and more than a little misogynistic. He grows up a lot by the end of MSG, and his growth continues throughout Zeta and Char's Counterattack. He's much less anti-social come CCA, but still cold and detached. he's unable to maintain a romantic relationship. He overcomes many of his issues, but develops new issues in their place. He comes across as a pretty "normal" dude.

Kamille is also pretty cool. I do enjoy his arc a lot. He's a very different beast. I don't even know how to describe Kamille. He's a much more... I don't really want to say empathetic character, because I think that carries a certain connotation with regards to UC. But maybe I should say "social" character. Unlike Amuro, who likes isolating himself, Kamille functions well around people. He's much more prideful, much more hot-blooded and MUCH MORE impulsive. His arc is about him learning to control his emotions, I think. He goes from being someone who is unteachable, to being someone who listens to others.
 
I think Kamille learned to listen cause his body was tired of getting the shit knocked out of it. For the most part Kamille was fine with Quattro, Emma and Fa, Reccoa as well, those I think were the people he was closest too, but he seemed to care about people a lot more than Amuro did. Shit Kamille even became friends with that bridge crew after they had their super smash brothers fight. If Amuro ever got a Newtype Ghost power up who would even show up for him? Whenever Kamille met someone new they eventually became part of his heart, even Rosamia and she wasn't even anybody to him, but even still he mourned her, which is something about Judau annoys me with regarding a specific character.
 
Yeah I like Kamille. I prefer him from a design standpoint to Amuro but I also appreciate that he kind of just got shit done. Amuro tended to whine a lot towards the start of the series about having to fight. I suppose Kamille just had more reasons to want to fight at the end of the day.

Well Amuro was kinda jammed into a situation he didn't want a part of, while Kamille jumped in while flipping off Jerid.
 

ramyeon

Member
Well Amuro was kinda jammed into a situation he didn't want a part of, while Kamille jumped in while flipping off Jerid.
Yeah definitely, that's what I meant by more reasons to fight. Although I think Amuro also had ample reasons - his colony was destroyed and for all he knew at the start his family and friends were all dead. And I mean he did kind of choose to jump into the Gundam to fight at first, although he never asked to be a part of the war.

I like Amuro as well and I've been really enjoying his change over the series, he was just frustrating as a spectator at first.
 
Yeah definitely, that's what I meant by more reasons to fight. Although I think Amuro also had ample reasons - his colony was destroyed and for all he knew at the start his family and friends were all dead. And I mean he did kind of choose to jump into the Gundam to fight at first, although he never asked to be a part of the war.

I like Amuro as well and I've been really enjoying his change over the series, he was just frustrating as a spectator at first.

That's understandable considering Amuro started out as a pretty good representation of what a kid with his upbringing would be like. He can be brave and kind and impulsive in the moment, but if he has time to think over what's going on he becomes a bit more of a whiner, and his selfish and anti-social tendencies start to show. Kasmille is similar but he has more of that impulsiveness and arguably more anger. Kamille also I think has more of sense of purpose in doing what he is doing compared to early Amuro. The general problem is in getting them to do things that they don't want to do and Amuro really doesn't want to do a lot at first.

Megalosaro and JadedWriter really pin down Amuro's and Kamille's characters ( I really liked Mega's post). Going off of the point about how Kamille connects with people better than Amuro, it really is interesting that one of the only people constantly in Amuro's life and arguably the person he was closest to in a weird sense, was Char.
 
That's understandable considering Amuro started out as a pretty good representation of what a kid with his upbringing would be like. He can be brave and kind and impulsive in the moment, but if he has time to think over what's going on he becomes a bit more of a whiner, and his selfish and anti-social tendencies start to show. Kasmille is similar but he has more of that impulsiveness and arguably more anger. Kamille also I think has more of sense of purpose in doing what he is doing compared to early Amuro. The general problem is in getting them to do things that they don't want to do and Amuro really doesn't want to do a lot at first.

Megalosaro and JadedWriter really pin down Amuro's and Kamille's characters ( I really liked Mega's post). Going off of the point about how Kamille connects with people better than Amuro, it really is interesting that one of the only people constantly in Amuro's life and arguably the person he was closest to in a weird sense, was Char.
I think the biggest difference between Kamille and Amuro is that Kamille was able to let shit go and grow as a person. Amuro...he just couldn't. The fact that essentially Char and Bright being his closest friends is something that I find quite weird. Bright, he's cool, I got no problem with Bright and all, but Bright's pretty much just Amuro's surrogate father in a way...shit Bright is pretty much a father to a lot of boys with the exception of god damn Hathaway. I think the connective tissue between Char and Amuro is that they both shared a lot of pain and it's pain that they can not just let go at all, but they're the only two people that they will actually have a heart to heart with and actually listen to each other. Their moments in Zeta were great, I would think if they had actually stayed in contact CCA would have never actually happened, but that's besides the point. I don't think Amuro was able to really form new bonds that really meant anything to him. Post Lalah the dude was fucked and even worse than Char in my opinion.
The fact that Amuro is forever cruising around the galaxy as the meat in the Lalah and Char newtype ghost sandwich
is quite sad and telling of how many people Amuro actually care about.
 

RangerBAD

Member
Bright is the best Captain ever, but he's also a pretty terrible dad. I guess not as bad as Amuro's dad. It's hard to punch your son though... Considering his job it's kind of hard to judge him though. He has so much shit to deal with.
 
Bright is the best Captain ever, but he's also a pretty terrible dad. I guess not as bad as Amuro's dad. It's hard to punch your son though...
Bright's at least fucking sane unlike Amuro's dad, but Bright's barely there as a father to his kids. His daughter is fine and luckily he married Mirai and he sort of tries, but sending vid mail to your kids isn't the same as being there though. ZZ really fucked him over cause of that thirsty La Vi En Rose chick.
I'd eat that sandwich.
It's probably so salty though.
 
I think the biggest difference between Kamille and Amuro is that Kamille was able to let shit go and grow as a person. Amuro...he just couldn't. The fact that essentially Char and Bright being his closest friends is something that I find quite weird. Bright, he's cool, I got no problem with Bright and all, but Bright's pretty much just Amuro's surrogate father in a way...shit Bright is pretty much a father to a lot of boys with the exception of god damn Hathaway. I think the connective tissue between Char and Amuro is that they both shared a lot of pain and it's pain that they can not just let go at all, but they're the only two people that they will actually have a heart to heart with and actually listen to each other. Their moments in Zeta were great, I would think if they had actually stayed in contact CCA would have never actually happened, but that's besides the point. I don't think Amuro was able to really form new bonds that really meant anything to him. Post Lalah the dude was fucked and even worse than Char in my opinion.
The fact that Amuro is forever cruising around the galaxy as the meat in the Lalah and Char newtype ghost sandwich
is quite sad and telling of how many people Amuro actually care about.

Honestly if Amuro had trouble really connecting people to begin with (he clearly did), what happened to Lalah probably just ruined his idea of being close to others. The first person he truly felt a connection to, and she goes and dies. There's probably a good chance that he was worried that would happen to others too, or he felt that he never wanted to have the feeling of losing someone like that again so he just sorta closed off. But you are right about Amuro having the inability to move on. Zeta kind of points that out with his fear of going into space because of Lalahs's ghost. Then you have Char who seems to have moved on but never really did.

I really want to watch Zeta for those Amuro/Char moments now.
 
Honestly if Amuro had trouble really connecting people to begin with (he clearly did), what happened to Lalah probably just ruined his idea of being close to others. The first person he truly felt a connection to, and she goes and dies. There's probably a good chance that he was worried that would happen to others too, or he felt that he never wanted to have the feeling of losing someone like that again so he just sorta closed off. But you are right about Amuro having the inability to move on. Zeta kind of points that out with his fear of going into space because of Lalahs's ghost. Then you have Char who seems to have moved on but never really did.

I really want to watch Zeta for those Amuro/Char moments now.
The whole thing makes you wonder why he was with Beltorchika. I mean a man has his needs, but man, it's kind of fucked up with that mind set.
 

ramyeon

Member
Only a few episodes in but I don't mind ZZ so far. Judau could be an interesting change of pace, nice to see the main character not be a genius at piloting the Gundam right away for once.
 
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