Guardian Monkey
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Any reason $50-60 each would not be expected?
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Any reason $50-60 each would not be expected?
It's going to be a 2-controller bundle with a camera. I would guess $150.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Sounds like it could be about right. Those controllers look pretty dope 
artsi
Member
The setup looks very slick.
Here's some Touch object placement / manipulation with the Unity Editor. Looks nice, like the UE4 one did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospGhrSzKe4&feature=youtu.be&t=175
Also looks like the Touch controllers are quite durable, and that's good because I think some of us will forget the wrist strap and accidentally throw them as "grenades" or something
http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/15/11240642/bullet-train-epic-games-vr-demo
ouch, but not unexpected given the field of view of the camera. does that support standing or would you need further distance than that? if i could mount mine on the wall behind my monitor above head height, that would help. but I'm going to need to move some stuff to give me space to swivel..
edit: I've also been wondering about lighthouse placement. Here is a rough plan of my spare room.
Its only 2.2m deep (just over 7ft) as it is a converted garage, so there isn't much room generally. The PC desk is pushed into the top left corner and there is a shelf with my printer behind my chair (which is a fairly large comfy office chair).
I was thinking to set the lighthouses up at either end of the room, so my PC side would be used for seated games, and the right hand side would be used for standing games (no room to move around really). The most convenient places to put the lighthouses would be the bottom left and top right corners in that image, as I have easy access to sockets (top right area has no sockets at all). But I would be worried that for any seated games, the closest lighthouse would be pointing at the back of my head so wouldn't have a good view. Would it be better to put it in the top left so it is facing me?
Also, the dotted lines indicate restricted height - there is a central beam about a foot (30cm) deep running across the room. So I'd probably have to place the right-hand lighthouse a bit lower down to avoid it being occluded. There might also be a risk of smacking my controllers into it if I'm waving my arms about, and likewise for the pendant light in the right hand side of the room.
artsi
Member
The setup actually has standing instructions, and no camera adjustments are mentioned so I guess no.
how many of you are getting a PSVR and one of the PC VR systems? I'm thinking PSVR will be good for exclusives and as a living room VR for everyone to enjoy. I just hope the OR/Vive difference isn't so great that I avoid using PSVR. lots of positive impressions from demos, but living with both alongside each other for some time might amplify the differences
I will be getting psvr and waiting to see the consensus on OR and Vive and the state of wrappers, touch vs lighthouse, storefronts and such after my next pc upgrade. The exclusives on the psvr should be pretty good. Especially if the launch numbers are strong.
Movalpolos
Banned
I'm getting both OR and PSVR.
PSVR will most likely be better and at the ready for having friends over and such.
I'm really not too worried about the differences in image quality this early on. I have tried both PSVR and DK2 and I honestly could not tell the difference between the two when playing something like Eve Valkyrie.
The reason I'm getting a PC VR headset mainly is to have one on an open platform. I don't have space for something like Vive. I live in an apartment.
TheGuardian
Member
Yeah, I'm leaning towards getting PSVR now, mainly for exclusives (Driveclub, Rez, etc), and one of the PC solutions for multiplatform stuff after I upgrade my PC. Right now I'm on a 970, and I'd rather experience PC VR at it's best, so I'll wait until Pascal/Polaris drop to get one.
It's really the same logic I use for normal games, I have all the consoles for their exclusives and play multiplatform stuff on the PC (except for multiplayer focused games where I go with PS4 because of my friends, or Vita/3DS if it's a game I prefer to play on the commute).
Movalpolos
Banned
Hopefully by that time there will be higher definition displays for the headsets.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Joseph Gordon-Levitt just got a Vive. Someone's excite!
https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/710002587668451328
https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/710002587668451328
He's really excited indeed.
PandaShake
Member
Ordered Vive. Will be getting a PSVR when the exclusives build up.
I'll probably get a PSVR sometime down the line, but I'll probably wait until next summer at least.
Unless there's a real Vive game drought that lasts through christmas, in which case I might jump ship to PSVR temporarily until the second gen
Oculus and HTC having 90Hz displays should lessen simulation sickness for a lot of people as long as developers keep their games optimised and are at a steady 90fps framerate.
And if you start off playing for 15 minutes for your first go and increasing that time by 5 minutes every following time you'll get more accustomed to things and build up a resistance to simulation sickness.
Zalusithix
Member
What's the unit in the middle of the room, and can it be moved against the wall? It would simplify your situation a bit.ouch, but not unexpected given the field of view of the camera. does that support standing or would you need further distance than that? if i could mount mine on the wall behind my monitor above head height, that would help. but I'm going to need to move some stuff to give me space to swivel..
edit: I've also been wondering about lighthouse placement. Here is a rough plan of my spare room.
Its only 2.2m deep (just over 7ft) as it is a converted garage, so there isn't much room generally. The PC desk is pushed into the top left corner and there is a shelf with my printer behind my chair (which is a fairly large comfy office chair).
I was thinking to set the lighthouses up at either end of the room, so my PC side would be used for seated games, and the right hand side would be used for standing games (no room to move around really). The most convenient places to put the lighthouses would be the bottom left and top right corners in that image, as I have easy access to sockets (top right area has no sockets at all). But I would be worried that for any seated games, the closest lighthouse would be pointing at the back of my head so wouldn't have a good view. Would it be better to put it in the top left so it is facing me?
Also, the dotted lines indicate restricted height - there is a central beam about a foot (30cm) deep running across the room. So I'd probably have to place the right-hand lighthouse a bit lower down to avoid it being occluded. There might also be a risk of smacking my controllers into it if I'm waving my arms about, and likewise for the pendant light in the right hand side of the room.
low bookshelf - used for boardgame storage and general crap. It could be moved against the wall but then there is the sofabed right next to it so I don't know how much that'll help
Now I have no idea which one to buy..
PSVR is very tempting at $550 AUD compared to the Vive ($1,450 AUD) which I was originally looking at... It's nearly 3x the price!!!. The Vive will also require a $500+ AUD GPU to run most games at 90fps+, and that makes the investment well over $2000 AUD. This has made me really reconsider the Vive and just picking up the PSVR.
What are some killer Apps on PSVR??, the only "game" I'm really looking forward to is Adrift, but i definitely want to future proof and the PC/ Vive will have unlimited opportunities in the future being on PC.
Is the PSVR and Vive/ OR that much different in terms of pixel quality and overall presentation. I do usually try to get the best tech in terms of future proofing, but when it costs 4x the price for an extra 100 or so pixels is it really worth it?
whats everyone take on this?, especially with the massive price different in Australia
PSVR is very tempting at $550 AUD compared to the Vive ($1,450 AUD) which I was originally looking at... It's nearly 3x the price!!!. The Vive will also require a $500+ AUD GPU to run most games at 90fps+, and that makes the investment well over $2000 AUD. This has made me really reconsider the Vive and just picking up the PSVR.
What are some killer Apps on PSVR??, the only "game" I'm really looking forward to is Adrift, but i definitely want to future proof and the PC/ Vive will have unlimited opportunities in the future being on PC.
Is the PSVR and Vive/ OR that much different in terms of pixel quality and overall presentation. I do usually try to get the best tech in terms of future proofing, but when it costs 4x the price for an extra 100 or so pixels is it really worth it?
whats everyone take on this?, especially with the massive price different in Australia
Zalusithix
Member
low bookshelf - used for boardgame storage and general crap. It could be moved against the wall but then there is the sofabed right next to it so I don't know how much that'll help
If it gives enough room to fully extend your hands in any direction while standing away from your desk it might be worth looking into. It's kind of hard to tell with a picture that's obviously not perfectly to scale. I'm having a hard time placing the lighthouses in that diagram in such a way that both sides of the room are covered without the possibility of occlusion happening from some obstacle.
At any rate, as is, you'd probably be best with one lighthouse located in the upper left. That would be better suited for seated play at the desk. Perhaps position it a couple feet down from the ceiling. This should allow it to cast higher than the beam height on the standing side. Lack of height on the left hand side wont matter for seated play. It also allows it to have line of sight with the other unit mounted above the door in the lower right. That one should catch you in a seated position at the desk (Assuming the shelf unit in the middle is lower than your seated head, or at least low enough to cast a clear vector from it to the lighthouse.), and will provide good coverage of the right hand side of the room. The door wall would be the primary facing direction for standing VR with the most resilience to occlusion.
The Elite
BOSS
Think that Oculus embargo is lifting!
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2016/03/16/6-rad-oculus-games-we-saw-at-gdc-2016
Introducing 30 games on March 28th.
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2016/03/16/6-rad-oculus-games-we-saw-at-gdc-2016
Introducing 30 games on March 28th.
30 games in the launch lineup: https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/introducing-30-games-coming-to-oculus-on-march-28/
Tested video of the Oculus Lineup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4LF-9ou6E&feature=youtu.be
Tested video of the Oculus Lineup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4LF-9ou6E&feature=youtu.be
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Ok cool, so its something you can get over. That is nice to hear.
Guardian Monkey
Member
I guess HTC delaying the VIVE was worth it. Watching this video at ign where they are playing oculus rift and the ign girl punches a nearby tv.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/03/16/6-rad-oculus-games-we-saw-at-gdc-2016
http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/03/16/6-rad-oculus-games-we-saw-at-gdc-2016
The Elite
BOSS
All VR experiences are going to end up with people doing things like this.
Zalusithix
Member
To be clear, it's something you might be able to get over. Some will only manage to lessen the effect. Others will find adapting nearly impossible. This is one of those things that has too many variables in play to make any concrete statements.
shiftplusone
Member
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
What about third person games where your head is just the camera following a character?Will this make you sick or is it just a first person thing?
Vyse The Legend
Member
Yeah, Oculus need a Chaperone-like solution by launch. I'm sure that they know that, because launching without one would be bad.
Sure, it could still happen, but Vive's Chaperone would've likely prevented this specific occurrence entirely. Alanah floated her hands near the wall/screen for a bit before eventually punching the screen. The Chaperone system would've popped in the warning grid long before she got there, and she would've, at least, known there was a wall nearby. Whether or not, she kept going and still hit the wall would've been entirely on her.
Like Alanah said, she had no idea the wall/screen was there, and that's a huge problem.
that looks fucking cool.
I really hope I can do something similar with the Vive
also, every time I see anything to do with EVE Valkyrie, my heart sinks a little. If that doesn't come to Vive, I'll be pretty upset.
I actually think I'd be likely to jump ship for an Oculus if I could get one for April
CortexVortex
Banned
Rez Infinite, Rigs, Driveclub VR, Gran Turismo Sports, Ace Combat 7 and Battlezone are the games I'm most interested in at the moment.
Golem looks interesting as well but we haven't seen much of it yet.
Vyse The Legend
Member
that looks fucking cool.
I really hope I can do something similar with the Vive
also, every time I see anything to do with EVE Valkyrie, my heart sinks a little. If that doesn't come to Vive, I'll be pretty upset.
I actually think I'd be likely to jump ship for an Oculus if I could get one for April
You can browse and do all that in the Vive. Vive also has a "white room" loading thing like this Oculus.
Also, the Rift should be available in VERY limited quantities in retail stores in April. If you're at the back of the queue, it might be a good way to jump the line.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Where did you hear this?
PuppetMaster
Member
I don't understand why this was even embargoed. Seems like a bunch of games we already havea seen as far as I can tell.
Also Norm is a terrible driver. Jeez.
white room sounds all well and good, but I want a cool, zen, virtual house.
Realistically, I'm not really going to switch for a Rift, but I really wish HTC and Valve would give me some more confidence that there'll be games for me to play at launch (they're launching AFTER Rift for god's sake)
I just want a proper stream of information coming from Valve.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Straight from Oculus:
The "white room" is just what they call it. There are already ways to populate the space; I'm sure making it a virtual customizable house will be absolutely doable. They're channeling the Matrix with it, where Neo is in a white room and can load in guns, etc.
Also, the Steam store already has 50+ games listed with release dates, many of them being April 5th and others already being out now (Elite, Keep Talking, etc.). I'm legit surprised by the Oculus launch lineup; it's thinner than I expected.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Cool thanks
Compsiox
Banned
Vive has plenty of titles coming at launch but only so many support roon scale.
After getting an S7 Edge and Gear VR, I'm starting to worry about the PSVR's resolution. The "honeycomb" effect I'm getting on the Gear where I can clearly make out what seems to be every pixel is kind of hurting immersion. It's still neat, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't annoying.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Resolution is only one factor. High-end VR devices have custom VR screens with smaller gaps between pixels, higher quality lenses and diffusers and in PSVR's case more subpixels. I'm not saying the screen door effect is gone completely as I haven't tried any consumer hardware, but most reports claim it is extremely minimal.
Thanks, where did you get the info about white room? I haven't seen anything about it.
I don't really care about having room scale games yet tbh. I'm happy with having a few room-scale things to play with for now. I'll wait for that content, I just want some compelling seated content to enjoy at launch.
I guess it's just me getting bummed out because there's loads of Oculus stuff being talked about & Vive just isn't getting the announcements yet.
This may be surprise but actually, sub-pixel wise, PSVR has the Rift and Vive beat on that department as they're using the full RGB 1080p spectrum and not the pentile screens that the other two use.
ashecitism
Member
They're starting their stuff today, first with the Lab and Steam stuff, then the 3rd parties.
Zalusithix
Member
Being a single screen solution, I don't think they're going to be able to maximize the use of the screen as well as two separate ones. That negates some pixels. On the flip side, they have a lower FOV. So many variables in play
Vyse The Legend
Member
Really? It's all over the Vive previews from this month.
My understanding is that they've updated the white room a few times since press started getting their Pre's. I would expect them to add way more features to it over time, including adding actual objects and such.