Did you only read the Adr1ft and Albino Lullaby impressions or something? The majority of the games have positive impressions.
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Did you only read the Adr1ft and Albino Lullaby impressions or something? The majority of the games have positive impressions.
Vyse The Legend
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I definitely would not call most of them positive. Many of them basically say "VR doesn't add much" or "It was okay." The primary issue seems to be that the launch line up is a lot of experiences that have VR bolted onto an existing game, like the Vanishing of Ethan Carter, which they also said made them sick.
Listen, I'm not saying this is unique to Oculus. Launch lineups for every new console/system ever have a smattering of the good, the bad, the ugly. It's par for the course.
Dreams-Visions
Member
*leans forward*
Zalusithix
Member
This is particularly the case when the new system is a paradigm shift from what people are used to creating content for.
Pretty sure that's exclusive to PSVR.
Chairmanchuck
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The Illusion games and some naughty japanese games like Custom Maid have VR modes.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Good job OP. Great Information.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Kappa
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I think I am going to start with PSVR. I really want to wait and see what shakes out in the PC space. Basically I want to see what Gen 2 brings for Vive and Oculus (or some newcomer).
Seeing that RE style game gives me hope that we will get some third person shooters.
What is the current state of wireless HDMI? I imagine that the wire will be the first thing people will want rid of. Is there any chance Gen2 devices will be wireless? I imagine input lag (sickness) is the major hurdle in that respect.
I am wondering, in the future will the headsets themselves be the PCs (consoles)? So there will be no wires? Or maybe a wearable on your back? Kinda pretty far out for a phone like device to be powerful enough to push current vive/oculus stuff though.
Seeing that RE style game gives me hope that we will get some third person shooters.
What is the current state of wireless HDMI? I imagine that the wire will be the first thing people will want rid of. Is there any chance Gen2 devices will be wireless? I imagine input lag (sickness) is the major hurdle in that respect.
I am wondering, in the future will the headsets themselves be the PCs (consoles)? So there will be no wires? Or maybe a wearable on your back? Kinda pretty far out for a phone like device to be powerful enough to push current vive/oculus stuff though.
Oooooh, hopefully my prayers are answered
Felix Lighter
Member
I didn't realize Project Cars had support for launch. I need to pick that game up. I'm by far most excited for Elite Dangerous but Eve Valkyrie also looks like a lot of fun. Hopefully, it supports my HOTAS well.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Btw. what is this now?
They showed it at the showcase. So any idea?
They showed it at the showcase. So any idea?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I was kind of joking earlier in the thread but if Valve is making H3 for Vive its truly game over.
artsi
Member
Btw. what is this now?
They showed it at the showcase. So any idea?
I don't know, I'm interested too. Here's a bit better photo.
Zalusithix
Member
Wireless streaming is a few gens off at the very least, and that's not due to latency. The bandwidth just isn't there for high resolution, high framerate video using current standards. At least not without lots of compression. Take the 2x 4k headset mentioned back a ways. That's tens of gigabits per second. It exceeds wired capacity. The only way we'll get wireless streaming soon is if they keep the resolution the same, and that's not going to happen.
In regards to packing the PC into the headset... That's possible, but has its own set of trade offs. You have weight, heat, and power consumption to consider. This will always necessitate concessions on the rendering front. I don't see it being big outside of the AR / mobile side of things.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Could it be Chronos? At least someone on reddit said it could be that.
Tested has a launch title video and an interview with Nate Mitchell. Unfortunately, it sounds like Oculus hasn't changed their stance on room scale walking around with the Rift. It was something along the lines of we're not setup for walking distances and keeping you safe from bumping into things. We're focused on the standing 360 experience.
You can also see the front facing version of the job simulator office while they talk. Interview starts around 29 minutes in.
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You can also see the front facing version of the job simulator office while they talk. Interview starts around 29 minutes in.
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Oculus launch lineup is indeed very disappointing. Seems like a lot of traditional games shoehorned into VR that don't seem to work that well. I have always been suspect of their tracking system as well compared to Vive (although it seems better than PSVR). I'm thinking of cancelling or reselling my Rift preorder until Touch is ready and just going with Vive. I may be in the minority but I find the Vive's lineup far more compelling because it is focusing on true ground up VR experiences and although admittedly simple I feel like I could play stuff like Space Pirate Simulator and Hover Junkers almost endlessly because of the novelty provided by "being there" and being able to interact with the world you're in.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Gotcha. I think when I jump into the PC headsets I might look into one of the Omni treadmill options and find a way to hang the wires from the ceiling or something so I can turn freely without worrying about twisting myself in the cord.
I hope to see the Omnitreadmills get better too.
Zalusithix
Member
Of note about the ceiling cord mount. It seems intuitive, but it comes with its own drawbacks. The biggest of which is the fact that motions above your head can catch the cable and proceed to rip the display from your head. It's basically the counterpoint to stepping on it, but with one key difference: you can feel the cable when it's hanging near you. Above your head you'll forget about its presence until you catch it, and depending on the speed of the gesture, wont be able to stop yourself.
Edit: just got to crazy thinking. Place an X/Y gantry system along the ceiling of a dedicated VR room. Use the absolute positional tracking of VR to feed your location within the room to the gantry and make it maintain a position behind you. Conveniently would keep the cord behind you at all times.
Turin Turambar
Member
I think the Vive lineup suffers too much of demo-like or even prototype-like experiences,with only a pair of exceptions.
The Elite
BOSS
It seems like exactly what we expected. Not really disappointed at all. I wasn't expecting any surprises from this event though.
I definitely don't disagree with this but I still feel like their lineup is more compelling
Vyse The Legend
Member
The developer already confirmed that he is working on it.
The Elite
BOSS
Apparently we will but they haven't said anything about it in a long time.
Ultimately, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place with your VR lineup at this point.
Because without room-scale 1:1 movement, the more immersive you make your experience the more people will get sick.
And with a focus on 1:1 VR movement, you get rave reviews from a VR perspective but many gamers calling for "real games".
LOL come on man I mena it has some cool ideas in there but the Vive launch lineup is embarrassing.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Oh so you're actually just a fanboy/troll. I'll have to keep that in mind. You don't love VR; you love being a warrior.
Yep nailed it.
Tarin02543
Member
Interested in PSVR, the fact they managed to use RGB OLED is very impressive.
I'm sorry but dissing the Rift's substantial launch line-up like that is just insane, especially pointing to the Vive instead - which is quite literally being released like a devloper kit with no real lineup. I'm getting both systems and even I admit the Vive's launch is spectacularly thin.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Vive launching with 50 games, and no exclusives (on purpose). And first details of Valve's 3-mini games?
I don't need you to be sorry; I need you to not be as intellectually dishonest and hyperbolic as you can possibly be out of what seems to be natural reaction. In this thread, the Vive's lineup is a joke, in the other thread, all room scale VR offers is "opening and closing drawers". If you can't do better, you're presence represents a net loss for the VR community here.
The reality is that both PC options will offer a handful of compelling titles actually designed for them that are actually worth buying, and a fair amount of junk that will be forgettable. Both have a high number of games that will be seen on both or ported to both sooner or later. The ridiculous comments can be saved for some other forum. People here are even-keeled and reasonable with the exception of you and Bobby AJ or whatever his name is. Please do better. We need neither fanboys nor warriors attaching their self-esteem to VR platforms.
I don't need you to be sorry; I need you to not be as intellectually dishonest and hyperbolic as you can possibly be out of what seems to be natural reaction. In this thread, the Vive's lineup is a joke, in the other thread, all room scale VR offers is "opening and closing drawers". If you can't do better, you're presence represents a net loss for the VR community here.
The reality is that both PC options will offer a handful of compelling titles actually designed for them that are actually worth buying, and a fair amount of junk that will be forgettable. Both have a high number of games that will be seen on both or ported to both sooner or later. The ridiculous comments can be saved for some other forum. People here are even-keeled and reasonable with the exception of you and Bobby AJ or whatever his name is. Please do better. We need neither fanboys nor warriors attaching their self-esteem to VR platforms.
Zalusithix
Member
Yep, screw "real games". Hover Junkers, Budget Cuts, and the likes look insanely fun, and are only viable because of 1:1 movement and tracked controllers... That's not to say I'm not looking forward to playing Elite/ SC and other more traditional games in VR, but they weren't what provided me the push over the edge to get into this gen.
Compsiox
Banned
He does have an Oculus avatar.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
PLaystation VR has < 18ms latency. What about OR and HTC?
Dreams-Visions
Member
That doesn't mean I can't expect decent decorum. I could put on a PSVR avatar but I'd still be reasonable and objective in my thoughts. When one of these platforms does well everyone does well. It's really that simple. Well unless we see more and more push towards exclusivity which I've said before will torpedo VR in its crib if it becomes a regular thing.
I too greatly look forward to seeing Hover Junkers for myself. But one thing we know for sure: it won't be for those afraid of a bit of exercise.
I think oculus is under 10 at this point and vive is around 20 because they're not doing async time warp
Funny, I don't see you lecturing people like this when they make dishonest hyperbolic claims against the Rift.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
So is that Dreadhalls launch game the same game that has been out for a while? What I'd seen never looked appealing, even in VR. I do want a horror game to play, though.
Dreams-Visions
Member
The other 2 aren't known yet. All 3 are expected to be < 18ms. We'll know soon enough.
I'm not even sure what "the latency" of A VR HMD is supposed to be. The ultimate motion-to-photon latency is a function of the game software, system software, rendering hardware, and tracking hardware setup. So I'm not sure how you can boil it down to one number.
I am quite sure that for all 3 of these HMDs, as long as you operate them within their target parameters in terms of performance, latency won't be an issue.
I am quite sure that for all 3 of these HMDs, as long as you operate them within their target parameters in terms of performance, latency won't be an issue.
The version that has been available is more of a prototype.
Chairmanchuck
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Guess so. Its being funded by Oculus afaik. Similar to some other games like Dragon Front, Luckys Tale, Edge of Tomorrow and some others.