Dusktildawn48
Member
Yeah I can agree with that. Just not a fan of the people that buy a bunch of new tech products just to resell.
Plus I can't afford to spend $1500 all at once.
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Plus I can't afford to spend $1500 all at once.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Yeah. I'm going to be reselling one of them after trying them both for a month, and I'm not going to feel guilty if someone who wants it sooner is willing to pay a premium for it. They're VR headsets, not precious medical supplies.
Just add a few actuators and you're all set :]
Great setup.
habithipster
Member
How are they doing that? I thought they were just using buttons/capacitive sensors.
According to Alan Yates (Lighthouse guy) Valve also experimented with this design. I'm not sure why they moved away from it, maybe the controllers were too difficult to track in a room scale setting?
Vyse The Legend
Member
That still looks 100% binary to me. They just have a transitional animation to create the illusion of fingers closing and opening.
Still neat, though!
Frozone
Member
Some Oculus Touch testing footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRxz8zZ4EI
Damn, the hand tracking looks sweet.
That's looks fucking awesome! I am glad I'm sticking with the Rift this go around.
That's kind of different though. You plan on using them and selling one. I don't care about the Rift until Touch releases so I canceled my order and will decide if I want one later.
I could've kept it and tried to sell for a profit but it's not enough money to bother. I'd rather somebody else get moved up.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
I pay a guy to blow air in my face and swivel the chair as necessary.
Wrestlemania
Banned
There's definitely a point where they stay half open for long enough for it to not just be part of a canned animation.
According to a reddit thread, developers have supposedly been given a price range of $100-300 for the Touch.
Dusktildawn48
Member
Holy god if anywhere near $300 is possible
Wrestlemania
Banned
...unless that's just a result of very quickly opening and closing, I suppose.
Big Takeover
Member
$200 seemed like a given to me once Vive pricing was announced. I highly doubt it will be more.
Zalusithix
Member
Some Oculus Touch testing footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRxz8zZ4EI
Damn, the hand tracking looks sweet.
It certainly looks like they've made good use of the capacitive sensors. I'd be somewhat jealous as a Vive owner if not for the fact that the Rift simply wasn't a viable option for me in room scale to begin with. Routing USB cables back to the computer is a no go for the positions I'd need the cameras in. Can't be too concerned about things that never stood a chance of happening in the first place.
Some Oculus Touch testing footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRxz8zZ4EI
Damn, the hand tracking looks sweet.
This isn't "hand tracking" though is it? Isn't this a combo of having some capacitive buttons rather than literal hand tracking?
Nice to Custom VR wallpaper is starting
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Wrestlemania
Banned
It's not literal hand tracking, but does it matter if the effect is basically the same? I mean it's not going to track spreading your fingers or full analogue movement, but it'll be enough to really give your hands a feeling of presence.
The only touch sensitive thing on the Vive controllers are the touch pads. The trigger is analogue but the grip buttons are digital, so there is less possible variation for controlling much beyond finger pointing, thumbs up / down and a clenched fist. Ultimately, I don't think the fidelity of hand gestures will be good on any of the controllers and people will still have to use some form of animated gestures that they can at least give some nuance through the movement tracking.
I can't really comment on hand presence since I haven't used touch to see if the sensation is wildly different that the Vive controllers I have used (DK1). Having your hands simply be there feels massive, but I don't think the actual finger gestures and fidelity there are enough to be some sort of significant multiplier just yet. Definitely need to try it to see though. As I found with the Vive, some games animate the hand movements in a very nice way but isn't representative of what I actually did, so there is some disconnect there but nothing awful.
Sony could have at least provided some control on fingers finger control if they had put a god damned analogue stick on the moves. :\
This looks spectacular.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
yeah touch controllers really give you an insane sense of hand presence inside VR. it's pretty damn cool
Wrestlemania
Banned
I've only used a Vive, and the controllers absolutely work fine without feeling hugely obtrusive, but anything which goes further towards it feeling less like you're holding a controller is going to help, so the Touch being a lot smaller and the finger tracking should give it an advantage.
Yeah, of course it matters. What happens when you release all of 4 fingers from the controller?
Sleeping Lesson
Member
The antigrav regulator engages, obviously.
Your bottom 4 fingers aren't tracked, they follow your index finger. Only your thumb and index finger are tracked.
So the functionality of an analog trigger for the index?
UnrealEck
Member
The index finger's trigger is obviously analogue like a regular trigger but it's also touch sensitive as far as I know. So it can detect when you actually lift your finger off the trigger's surface.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I'm pretty sure the Tested video from last year said the controller kind of rests on your hand when you do that, so it's not like the controller drops or you can't regrip it.
Same (I think). If oculus touch is great then I'll look forward to a variation of it on the gen 2 headsets. Or someone will get it working as a standalone controller that can work with vive
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Since Valve are licensing out their lighthouse tech I think that there will be many variations of controllers from different manufacturers that will be compatible so anyone who is getting a Vive or any open source VR HMD will not have to worry so much about controls. One of the perks of being an open platform.
As far as I know Oculus is a closed platform in that regard? Correct me if I'm wrong.
My point is that people shouldn't worry to much about controllers. These are the first iterations of them and they will get better. Some just faster and with more options than others in terms of compatibility.
As far as I know Oculus is a closed platform in that regard? Correct me if I'm wrong.
My point is that people shouldn't worry to much about controllers. These are the first iterations of them and they will get better. Some just faster and with more options than others in terms of compatibility.
SteamVR abstracts motion controllers, actually. Touch controllers will behave just like Vive Controllers, and there is a very high probability that you can even use Sixense controllers too. The main problem would be the physical differences in controllers (i.e. analog sticks vs haptic touch pads and so forth) but I would expect by the end of the year or maybe by next year, all these motion controllers will be cross compatible.
So you can reach down for an object and take your fingers off the controller to grab the object?
Wrestlemania
Banned
No, probably not that far.
mrchampipi
Member
Don't buy it, especialy at that price. Even for half of that I wouldn't recommend it.
Oculus have stated that DK2 will suport 1.0 runtime, but that was long ago, and there are so many unknowns regarding software compatibility (resolution, refresh rate etc).
You'd really rather wait a bit and save for the consumer version. And your "friend" shouldn't have any problem to get his asking price on ebay it seems.
I sold my DK2 for $650 on eBay yesterday. I set it to Buy It Now and it sold within 24 hours. It was bought by a Chinese company (I assume by the name) that seems to be buying 1-2 DK2s every day. I didn't even have to ship overseas they gave me a US mailing address.
Only reason I'd do it is to possibly sell it for a little more. Leap Motion is like $25 on Alibabba and I don't DK2 will last very long after CV1 is out.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Was the company name part of the profile name by chance and if so what was it? I had one going with bidders from China and assumed I'd need to do international shipping, didn't know about needing to set exclusions for regions you won't ship to, bidders not from your region etc so I shut it down early. May have been premature if these bidders are using a US address for receiving.
Zalusithix
Member
On the flip side, if he doesn't (for whatever reason) manage to sell it, he's spent $400 on severely outdated hardware and stuck with it. Not saying it will happen, but there is a risk.
bigwinnerx
Member
The problem here is I'm completely willing to pay $800 for Vive and I'm also completely willing to accept Touch may end up being a really good and perhaps superior hand-tracking solution.
But, do I play with Vive in the short term knowing full well I end up with Oculus in the long term. Decisions....
But, do I play with Vive in the short term knowing full well I end up with Oculus in the long term. Decisions....
The Elite
BOSS
Palmer has commented on the c:\ install stuff:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4bd31n/oculus_software_and_vr_applications_must_be/d18dw80
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4bd31n/oculus_software_and_vr_applications_must_be/d18dw80
Is there a post on GAF or article higlighliting all strengths of each VR platform?
Frozone
Member
Do you really *need* hand-tracking right now? If so, from what game? It's going to take quite a bit of time before we see games using that feature. By then, the Touch should have already released imo.
Is a working chaperone mode high on their list?
As much as anyone 'needs' anything about VR, I need to play motion control games before the end of the year. Tilt brush almost justifies the vive motion controllers on its own
games like Hover Junkers, Fantastic Contraption, Budget Cuts, Tiltbrush, several games in The Lab, Cloudlands Mini Golf, VR Tennis, and so forth aren't really feasible without hand tracking. And UE4 VR would be a logistical nightmare without it.
I wonder if he was talking about the finger tracking, would make more sense that way.
CarbonFire
Member
That's exactly what it sounds like he's talking about, since he's suggesting they release Touch now.