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[pj]

You misunderstand. This developer is targeting the IEMs that come with the Vive for their audio tuning, over the ears in this game may cause a problem. If the game was tuned for over the ear type of headphones then IEMs would cause problems. The benefit of the Rift is that everyone will have the same decent quality headphones and the positional audio in every game will be tuned for that one set of hardware.

That's a huge plus.

Now if every Vive came with the same high quality over the ear cans, the Vive would beat out the rift in the audio department, but there is a lot to be said for everyone having the same exact headphones.

Audio designers generally tune for whatever the most common setup is. They can do better if they know everyone will have a uniform output.

I understood just fine. I think a lot of people are overestimating the difficulty of positional audio. The Division does a fantastic job of it and it has no idea what brand or style of headphone I have.

Yes, it is an advantage for the entire audio stack to be a known quantity. However, since they don't know the shape of the end user's ear, it is still somewhat of a guess.

The convenience factor of rift's built in headphones is far more compelling than any alleged sound advantage. Of all the rift/vive comparisons I've read, I don't think anyone has declared one or the other to have superior positional audio, but most have mentioned that vive is more cumbersome because you need to use separate headphones.

The developer everyone loves to quote lately said this:

"That's technically still true for the Vive but the fact that they're IEMs will stop many people from using them. At least that's what happened in our office. Out of 10+ people here only one can actually stand IEMs and that's me. "

Why would they target IEMs if nobody is going to use them?

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I understood just fine. I think a lot of people are overestimating the difficulty of positional audio. The Division does a fantastic job of it and it has no idea what brand or style of headphone I have.

Yes, it is an advantage for the entire audio stack to be a known quantity. However, since they don't know the shape of the end user's ear, it is still somewhat of a guess.

The convenience factor of rift's built in headphones is far more compelling than any alleged sound advantage. Of all the rift/vive comparisons I've read, I don't think anyone has declared one or the other to have superior positional audio, but most have mentioned that vive is more cumbersome because you need to use separate headphones.

The developer everyone loves to quote lately said this:

"That's technically still true for the Vive but the fact that they're IEMs will stop many people from using them. At least that's what happened in our office. Out of 10+ people here only one can actually stand IEMs and that's me. "

Why would they target IEMs if nobody is going to use them?

Weight. They weigh nothing. I personally like inear but will probably use some that I already have unless these are better.

 

[Cdammen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4bcsly/europe_how_to_know_your_shippment_wave/

How to check what shipping wave you're in for your Vive order..

Product Name: VIVE Kit - May Shipment - Sweden

No waves for me it seems, hehe... I hope someone cancels so I get it in late April

 

[Zalusithix]

That makes sense, Oculus Audio SDK documentation also says that IEM's behave differently regarding binaural audio and would require specific fine-tuning.

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/audiosdk/latest/concepts/audio-intro-devices/

IEMs behave better if binarual audio is the ultimate goal since you factor in the outer ear effects and pipe the resulting audio straight into the ear canal. This kind of defeats the supra-aural Rift pack ins if that was the goal. Not that it really matters. Frankly positional audio in games tend to be a "close enough" solution. They can't compare to good real recordings, at least in my experience.

Anyhow, I have high end circumaural and decently high end IEMs (certainly higher than packed in), so this kind of debate is moot for me. If a game is that fine tuned with their HRTFs then I'll switch to IEMs. HRTFs are really all that matters for positional audio. Frequency response not so much. For everything else, I'll enjoy the much fuller sound that my circumaural cans can give.

 

[Lunar FC]

Is there anyway to see when my Vive will ship? I didn't get my order in until a couple hours after it opened.

Edit: I'm in the US

 

[Compsiox]

Is there anyway to see when my Vive will ship? I didn't get my order in until a couple hours after it opened.

Edit: I'm in the US

Call up takes 10 minutes

 

[jiggles]

Product Name: VIVE Kit - May Shipment - UK

 

[UnrealEck]

Is there anyway to see when my Vive will ship? I didn't get my order in until a couple hours after it opened.

Edit: I'm in the US

Someone said they ordered 'a few hours after live' and they're in part 2 shipment.

 

[pj]

Weight. They weigh nothing. I personally like inear but will probably use some that I already have unless these are better.

I'm not talking shit on IEMs in general. I have high quality IEMs in my ears no less than 6 hours a day.

I was just countering the claim that the mystery reddit VR dev was targeting IEMs for his game. If 90% of his team doesn't like them, and he's aware that a good portion of the public don't like them, why would they be the baseline for their audio tuning?

 

[Lunar FC]

Someone said they ordered 'a few hours after live' and they're in part 2 shipment.

Wack. I can't believe I forgot to do it when I got up that day. Didn't remember until the middle of my accounting class.


Also, how in the world do I cancel my damn Rift order?

 

[sportz103]

Wack. I can't believe I forgot to do it when I got up that day. Didn't remember until the middle of my accounting class.


Also, how in the world do I cancel my damn Rift order?

You have to email support, they'll have you verify your order ID and address.

 

[Lunar FC]

You have to email support, they'll have you verify your order ID and address.

Wtf is going on at oculus? Doing things like we are still in the late 90s.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Is there anyway to see when my Vive will ship? I didn't get my order in until a couple hours after it opened.

Edit: I'm in the US

I ordered 30 minutes after, and I'm in the second wave. I assume you are too.

 

[Zalusithix]

I don't remember it showing up in the thread since the liveblog, so here's the actual full contents of Alex Vlacho's "Advanced VR Rendering Performance" talk (slide wise at least). Nice having all the slides natively instead of photos of some of them.

 

[Doom.]

Oculus is shipping this month right?

 

[ducksauce]

I have both the Oculus and Vive preordered, leaning more towards keeping my Vive preorder. I know I won't be paying Chronos or Edge of Nowhere on Vive but I was wondering if there would be any third person games at launch or at least announced.

 

[Exuro]

Oculus is shipping this month right?

Next Monday is the official release.

 

[Doom.]

Next Monday is the official release.

I guess I better cancel before I get charged

 

[ashecitism]

Can I install the Oculus to another drive or directory?

No. Currently, the Oculus Software and VR applications must be stored in C:\Program Files (x86)\Oculus.

We plan to enable installing downloaded VR applications to another location in a future release.

https://support.oculus.com/help/oculus/1734357913462268?sr=1&query=drive&sid=0g1SHyHqRPXIZ9P2o

 

[Seiru]

https://support.oculus.com/help/oculus/1734357913462268?sr=1&query=drive&sid=0g1SHyHqRPXIZ9P2o

This sucks, but at least I already know how to make symbolic links because of Steam.

 

[Zalusithix]

This sucks, but at least I already know how to make symbolic links because of Steam.

Yeah, it can be worked around, but why should you have to? Every store out there at this point allows arbitrary installation locations. How do you launch in 2016 with a limitation like that? If you're doing something that even Valve has fixed in Steam, you know you're behind the times. =P

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Vive retail packaging revealed.

 

[mrklaw]

Wack. I can't believe I forgot to do it when I got up that day. Didn't remember until the middle of my accounting class.


Also, how in the world do I cancel my damn Rift order?

if you have an early Rift order, probably worth keeping it and then selling it on

 

[Qassim]

Yeah, it can be worked around, but why should you have to? Every store out there at this point allows arbitrary installation locations. How do you launch in 2016 with a limitation like that? If you're doing something that even Valve has fixed in Steam, you know you're behind the times. =P

Especially when your product is one aimed largely at PC gaming enthusiasts, you'd think basic features like that would be a certain for launch.

 

[Zalusithix]

Vive retail packaging revealed.

You were beaten in this thread. =P

Especially when your product is one aimed largely at PC gaming enthusiasts, you'd think basic features like that would be a certain for launch.

Flabbergasting really. You're very likely going to be dealing with people that have smaller SSDs as a system drives and have separate HDDs/SSDs for games. Just assuming that you'll have the space to dump umpteen GB games on the primary drive is crazy. It doesn't affect me, but I just can't fathom how somebody didn't see that restriction as something to fix ages ago.

 

[mckmas8808]

I found what might be an update on the latest version of the Oculus Touch controller. (roadtovr)


Seems the Touch is just getting better and better. It looked to me like the old 'half-moon' prototype (with the IR sensors dotted around it) was already a better controller than Vive's wand. Now the improvements they appear to have made to the Touch make it even more appealing.

How much are these expected to cost?

 

[valkillmore]

Are any gaffers getting Vive kits planning on live streaming game play? Post your YouTube

 

[Onemic]

Especially when your product is one aimed largely at PC gaming enthusiasts, you'd think basic features like that would be a certain for launch.

Not that I wasnt planning on cancelling my Rift order anyway, but this just reinforces my decision. My SSD is already low on space as it is.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Not that I wasnt planning on cancelling my Rift order anyway, but this just reinforces my decision. My SSD is already low on space as it is.

Yeah I already cancelled mine. I only have a 120gb ssd. Pretty much useless except for maybe 1 game.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I'm going to have to uninstall Witcher 3 to make room on my SSD.

 

[UnrealEck]

How much are these expected to cost?

No one knows.
I'm betting somewhere between $100-130

Speaking of controls. Is anyone planning or already have a HOTAS flightstick for their VR? I'm thinking of getting an X52 or something similar for Eve Valkyrie.

 

[artsi]

I get that it's bad design to force the drive, but symbolic links aren't hard guys. You can still have games on other drives.

It's one command in Windows 7 / 8 / 10.

mklink /J "C:\Program Files (x86)\Oculus" "D:\irectory\Of\Your\Choice"

 

[Zalusithix]

Yeah I already cancelled mine. I only have a 120gb ssd. Pretty much useless except for maybe 1 game.

While it is a crappy limitation, I hope you didn't cancel solely because of that. It can be worked around with some underlying filesystem magic. By all means you shouldn't have to do so, but it isn't worth canceling for by itself.

Edit:

Speaking of controls. Is anyone planning or already have a HOTAS flightstick for their VR? I'm thinking of getting an X52 or something similar for Eve Valkyrie.

Already have a Warthog, but I'll be jumping on the VKB Gunfighter + Warthog adapter when I get the chance. Throttle will be custom (when I finish it).

 

[robotrock]

I'm going to have to uninstall Witcher 3 to make room on my SSD.

Just gonna have to reinstall it when that next DLC hits. Should be soon, yeah?

 

[Dusktildawn48]

While it is a crappy limitation, I hope you didn't cancel solely because of that. It can be worked around with some underlying filesystem magic. By all means you shouldn't have to do so, but it isn't worth canceling for by itself.

Nah I cancelled and changed to the vive last week.

 

[Frozone]

No one knows.
I'm betting somewhere between $100-130

Speaking of controls. Is anyone planning or already have a HOTAS flightstick for their VR? I'm thinking of getting an X52 or something similar for Eve Valkyrie.

Thrustmaster Warthog here with Logitech pedals.

 

[Sky Chief]

I don't understand why anyone would cancel a preorder of any of these headsets when you will be able to immediately turn around and sell them for massive profit

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Just gonna have to reinstall it when that next DLC hits. Should be soon, yeah?

I never finished the base game! I think I have like an hour left.

 

[Monger]

No one knows.
I'm betting somewhere between $100-130

Speaking of controls. Is anyone planning or already have a HOTAS flightstick for their VR? I'm thinking of getting an X52 or something similar for Eve Valkyrie.

Im guessing 150-200 plus shipping. If move + camera is 100, I figure touch is 1.5 to 2 times that.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

I don't understand why anyone would cancel a preorder of any of these headsets when you will be able to immediately turn around and sell them for massive profit

I find that to be a dick move. If rather someone who really wants one get bumped up to a faster ship date

 

[Zalusithix]

I don't understand why anyone would cancel a preorder of any of these headsets when you will be able to immediately turn around and sell them for massive profit

Not wanting to act like a scalper? Switching from one to the other and don't want to pay an extra $600-800 in the near term to do so? Wanting to let the next person in line get theirs faster? Simply don't want to deal with the hassle? There's plenty of reasons.

 

[artsi]

Some Oculus Touch testing footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRxz8zZ4EI

Damn, the hand tracking looks sweet.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Speaking of controls. Is anyone planning or already have a HOTAS flightstick for their VR? I'm thinking of getting an X52 or something similar for Eve Valkyrie.

I've spent the past year putting together my HOTAS chair. Since that picture I've added an audio transducer/bass shaker to it. So ready for Elite, DCS, and EVE Valkyrie.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Some Oculus Touch testing footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRxz8zZ4EI

Damn, the hand tracking looks sweet.

Looks amazing, and seems like they've managed to make the finger movement not totally binary. Touch is probably going to be what makes me keep my Rift over my Vive - making your hands feel as present as possible is going to be really important.

 

[Cyriades]

MAYBE... nope

980 ti will average me out at 11

 

[Doom.]

I don't understand why anyone would cancel a preorder of any of these headsets when you will be able to immediately turn around and sell them for massive profit

I think to me its the hassle of doing it when I can just email and be done with

 

[Struct09]

First world problems, I'm going to have to symlink my games folder so that my VR games don't eat up valuable SSD space

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Anyone that used that link earlier to check their shipment wave not get an email yet? (US)

 

[Sky Chief]

I find that to be a dick move. If rather someone who really wants one get bumped up to a faster ship date

Not wanting to act like a scalper? Switching from one to the other and don't want to pay an extra $600-800 in the near term to do so? Wanting to let the next person in line get theirs faster? Simply don't want to deal with the hassle? There's plenty of reasons.

I don't know. I'm planning on keeping both long term but at the very least I don't think it's a dick move to try both and just resell the one you like less. There's still a ton we don't know about the competing products, services, and cross comparability.

 

[Krejlooc]

The rift installation shit is completely unacceptable.