Just triggers (dual stage) grips, and touchpad (which in itself can have all kinds of modes and functions). They decided everything should be gestural or a physical interaction with the VR world as opposed to button abstracting actions, which definitely makes a ton of sense to me.
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Just triggers (dual stage) grips, and touchpad (which in itself can have all kinds of modes and functions). They decided everything should be gestural or a physical interaction with the VR world as opposed to button abstracting actions, which definitely makes a ton of sense to me.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Well you can always track to see if there is a waitlist. Just plan it out. ie If August has a October release date order in August. But I dont know if that will be an issue isnt the VIVE just waitlisted till May right now anyhow.
Why is that? I'm hoping when touch comes out it wouldn't be any more than $200 and by then I should have money for it. I'm not convinced it can provide as good of an experience as the vive with its tracking but at that time there should be a lot of comparisons to decide if I want to buy the touch or sell the Rift and go for vive if I really need to experience the motion controls. But at this time the Rift is all I can barely afford as a poor college student. So excited for next week!
Astral/H3X
Member
My DK2 on eBay is currently going for $520. I had set the buy it now at $500. :lol:
Fuggit gotta pay for my CPU upgrade somehow.
Fuggit gotta pay for my CPU upgrade somehow.
Makes the most sense for sure and it's not like you can't use a regular controller if you are playing a sit down experience anyways.
Moreover, it's perfectly possible to make an in-game UI around the player for a variety of gestural systems. Quite interested in seeing what could be done with RTS for example in VR. I know that Vanishing Realms (an RPG) is doing something similar but hides the UI out of player view unless they look down for it, which apparently works out really well.
Zalusithix
Member
Additional camera plus two high end controllers. Who knows how much they'll charge for that. Then add shipping if they're not available in stores right away. I'm not claiming they'll be more than $200. It's just another unknown in the Rift corner.
marjo
Member
Can you use the touchpad as an analog input and 4 clickable buttons at the same time? Or is it only 1 or the other?
I'd imagine you could also use a single controller like a mouse. When you'd hit the menu button to bring up a floating UI then use the controller as a pointer (which I've seen done already).
It's going to be really exciting to see what people come up with.
I wish there was more info about Vanishing Realms. Has anyone tried something like holstering say a sword where your hip would be in relation to your head? So you could look down at it and grab it? I'd imagine something like that could work too. (I could have sworn I heard something like that about Vanishing Realms)
I guess but I think it'd be really stupid if they price their whole package to be more than the vive especially if their tracking can still be argued to be inferior to the Vive. True that if I decide to sell the Rift for vive then I might not get all of my money back and then the upgrade would be more than $200 but I'm okay with that I'm sure I'm gonna love a lot of the games on Rift and if touch turns out great I won't have to switch.
bigwinnerx
Member
I have all 3 on pre-order now.
What am I doing?!?
What am I doing?!?
Zalusithix
Member
The pad physically pushes down, so you could use it as both. Nothing stopping devs from overloading the functionality either. IE: Functions change when grip button is squeezed or something similar.
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
Trading money for fun
I also have all 3 on pre-order because I'm cool with the fact that they'll all be outdated in a matter of months but to each his own.
bigwinnerx
Member
Trading money for fun
I also have all 3 on pre-order because I'm cool with the fact that they'll all be outdated in a matter of months but to each his own.
I've mostly convinced myself roomscale is something to try as soon as possible.
PSVR being so far away, who knows if I'll keep that order.
With Oculus, I just can't bring myself to cancel it. And it's a 27, so, it'd basically show up around the time of the Vive.
Movalpolos
Banned
Same here.
No price too great to be a part of the future. And at the very least you can have a friend use the second PC headset and do multiplayer. And you'll be able to play any exclusives.
Melchettsmoustache
Member
I'm getting similar grief, we're off to Florida from the Uk in a fortnight, moving house in 10 weeks and I've got the psvr on order. I've now dropped the Vive pre order on her, and she maintains I've come up with a Vive business model just so I can talk my way round a high end of and VR system.
She knows me so well!
ashecitism
Member
VR Focus Giant Cop preview: http://www.vrfocus.com/2016/03/preview-giant-cop/
Pool Nation VR trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo2FoifcSE
UploadVR Damaged Core hands-on: http://uploadvr.com/damaged-core-delivers-the-most-freedom-ive-ever-felt-in-a-vr-shooter/
iOmoon trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WkeYdCwVs
Pool Nation VR trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo2FoifcSE
UploadVR Damaged Core hands-on: http://uploadvr.com/damaged-core-delivers-the-most-freedom-ive-ever-felt-in-a-vr-shooter/
iOmoon trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WkeYdCwVs
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
Those are all fair points, I'm really looking forward to the unique experiences they'll each provide.
Roomscale is something I'm very interested in, but I also love 3d platformers so I can't miss out on Luckys Tale, and DOAX3/Summer Lesson are my personal "killer apps" for PSVR.
Sorry if I missed it but has anyone who has tried all three commented on how the screen quality compares.
I had a Rift Dev Kit 1 and have a Gear VR and my biggest concern is the so called "screen door effect". Would love to know which of the three have overcome this the most.
Thanks
I had a Rift Dev Kit 1 and have a Gear VR and my biggest concern is the so called "screen door effect". Would love to know which of the three have overcome this the most.
Thanks
Sleeping Lesson
Member
By all reports, the consumer Rift has the least screen door effect due to its optics.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
There is also the question of whether or not you will be able to play those Rift games on the Vive if you switch later. Hopefully Oculus opens up and you can but at this point it's any ones guess.
ashecitism
Member
Damaged Core gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHuzedhh1fU
AwesomeMeat
PossumMeat
Most reports have been that the Rift CV1 has done the best at diminishing the SDE.
However, I have seen a report or two from journalist saying the Vive. I think a lot of it comes down to what they were demoing.
I don't think you can go wrong either way. SDE will be present by should be WAAAY better than DK1 and Gear based on the custom displays they are using.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Just a question. Those 360 Videos on YouTube, do they offer depth when viewing them in a VR headset?
Zalusithix
Member
Damaged Core reminds me of a fantasy game concept I had years ago where you were an incorporeal entity that could could affect the world via possession of other people. The possession would grant them abilities they normally wouldn't have (and differ by person). Granted, restricted movement wasn't part of it, but still... Just reminds me of it.
I wonder if the concept can be extended to room scale with a bit more flexibility. You're tracked 1:1 while possessing others, much like this game. The room bounds, however, provide a boundary in which you can move and still have control of the person. Upon releasing the person you teleport skyward and have a God view of an expanded area where you walk around and choose another target. (Like walking around a Lego land as a human.)
I wonder if the concept can be extended to room scale with a bit more flexibility. You're tracked 1:1 while possessing others, much like this game. The room bounds, however, provide a boundary in which you can move and still have control of the person. Upon releasing the person you teleport skyward and have a God view of an expanded area where you walk around and choose another target. (Like walking around a Lego land as a human.)
AwesomeMeat
PossumMeat
There are ways to currently watch them however, they are not 3D. Just 360. So there is no depth. I've watched a few using Virtual Desktop but it isn't that great of an experience.
There are a few 360 3D videos that are available to watch on Google Cardboard. It isn't popular though.
No. They have to have depth-data. On the GearVR, there are some 360 videos with 3d, but it's not the norm.
I feel like this type of game won't exist in VR in a couple years.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Can you not move? I like the clever use of locomotion but Raw Data blows this out of the water in terms of immediate movement IMO. I think I would get really frustrated not being able to duck dip and dodge lol. I was already moving my head and body doging bullets in my mind when watching that video.
ashecitism
Member
You can't move as it's a controller game. Maybe if they implement Touch support or bring it to the Vive.
Dreamwriter
Member
...or design it so you can move. You don't need a motion controller or a second camera to duck and dodge, the headset knows if the user is ducking or leaning. There's an old arcade game, Police 911 or something, designed around that, a cover-shooter where you duck behind cover and can stand up, shoot, then duck back. Great fun but very tiring.
CarbonFire
Member
My wife doesn't play games either. She'll play some Mario coop or phone game, but that's about it. Unless it's a motion game like a Kinect Dancing game or Wii Sports. She'll be all over those. She doesn't say things like that to me though.
Definitely show her the Vive first. I didn't care about video games until I tried the HTC Vive Maybe some Ninja Trainer or Job Simulator to start with. Also, if you have a group of friends that you hang out with, having them over for Vive parties would be a lot of fun.
Dreamwriter
Member
Why would it cost more than $200? You're the very first person I've heard think that the Touch would cost *more* than $200. I mean, it's just another cheap camera and a couple controllers. $200 I could see but not more.
Beerman462
Member
This just makes me want to wait for the newer versions of Occulus/Vive. The PSVR comfort and ease of use has been praised from the beginning. I'm not sold on PSVR capabilities though. I'm midway through a PC upgrade. I got the 6600K so now I just need a new GPU. Aiming for 980 level performance and waiting for Pascal/Polaris.
sems4arsenal
Member
With the news of EVO's closure, I feel the racing genre needs a dose of adrenaline, VR could very well be that.
I mean, to be fair we've also heard a lot of good things about the comfort of CV1. Some people have said it's even more comfortable than PSVR, and the built-in headphones are actually a huge deal in how easy it is to put the headset on and take it off.
That looks terribly boring after watching some Raw Data gameplay. Reminds me of one of those cell phone shooters with a stuck perspective over an area.
Yeah, Valve/HTC did a better last-minute marketing push than I expected from what came before. Rather impressive. (The software ease of use on the SteamVR side also surprised me, or at least what you can tell about it with a DK2)
Chairmanchuck
Member
Pollen is coming out on 20th April it seems:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/393750/discussions/0/412448792356159965/?tscn=1458665437
At SXSW Gaming, the release date is now listed as April 20th, but I heard there's still some last-minute bug-squashing to do!
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Pax Mantis [Entwickler] Vor 17 Minuten
Hey, that was supposed to be a secret!
We will officially say the release date in couple of days.
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Pax Mantis [Entwickler] Vor 16 Minuten
For OP: We will release the game with VR Beta which means OR support will be there, Vive HMD support very likely (depends alot on the unity native support) and hand controls soon after. We will also continue to add different movement modes like teleprotation.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/393750/discussions/0/412448792356159965/?tscn=1458665437
Has anything like this old ios game been announced for VR? I would buy a room scale version in a heartbeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syiha-lS04g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syiha-lS04g
Beerman462
Member
Hearing stuff like this is a bummer. I have a guy at work and maybe it's not as bad as it sounds, but he says things like "My wife let me buy a new PC". Meanwhile he's the sole earner. Like I understand the need for compromise and working together to budget, but sometimes you just have to treat yourself. Without feeling guilty.
I don't know if this was common knowledge, but I just found out that one of the lighthouse engineers at Valve (Alan Yates) posts about it on reddit quite frequently.
Some interesting stuff I wasn't aware of before:
Well, I thought all of that was fascinating.
Some interesting stuff I wasn't aware of before:
Well, I thought all of that was fascinating.
Some interesting news regarding the Rift.
1 - It stores everything on the C drive.
Ok, i'm screwed. I have my OS on my C drive and everything else goes on my second drive. Not sure I can free up that much space.
2 - I use a HDMI cable to connect to my monitor.
Err, apparently I can't use a HDMI adapter now. Right...So, I either have to plug and unplug all the time or get a fix for my monitor.
http://imgur.com/U87yNuA
These seem like two big issues to me.
Urgh.
1 - It stores everything on the C drive.
Ok, i'm screwed. I have my OS on my C drive and everything else goes on my second drive. Not sure I can free up that much space.
2 - I use a HDMI cable to connect to my monitor.
Err, apparently I can't use a HDMI adapter now. Right...So, I either have to plug and unplug all the time or get a fix for my monitor.
http://imgur.com/U87yNuA
These seem like two big issues to me.
Urgh.
... ew...
I was really hoping they would do something much cooler... especially with an option to see the camera feed within your UI to check on the real world.
I do treat myself quite a lot though. Usually my wife says those things to appeal to my commonsense (of which I have little) and then rolls her eyes when I buy it anyway..
Gun aiming is attached to your head and not your hands... I find that odd. Especially since you can move and see your hands in game as well.
I know RIGS is also doing that, but it makes more sense for that game, IMO.
This bit
is interesting for two reasons to me. First - the guy that wrote that 'optimal placement of sensors for any given 3D model' is a genius. Second - they talk about needing 4 sensors to see a lighthouse, plus IMU data to get full pose information (or 5 sensors alone). That seems surprisingly high. So how does move get away with only having effectively one point of reference (the glowing orb) which by Valve's comments should only provide position in space and not full pose information (and even the single point plus IMU should't be enough)