Same reasoning as me, pretty much.
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Same reasoning as me, pretty much.
artsi
Member
Yeah, it's not just software or hardware, but both. Software just brings the most profits.
And I think that's exactly what they're trying to change, take some marketshare from Steam.
And VR is not just games, Oculus Store will probably have apps, videos, experiences, and I bet Facebook is cooking some kind of a giant social VR platform that the masses might use one day.
It's difficult to compete with a game store against Steam, but Facebook has (at least) 1.5 billion users to reach after they have whatever software those people are interested in.
Tech needs to be well available too, low prices, mobile VR, etc. but we're getting there sooner or later.
So not yet, but in the future Facebook can definitely make good profit with Oculus Store if they drive it now.
UnrealEck
Member
Here's a little demo of Vive's Lighthouse tracking when placed on the floor instead of the recommended above head height.
Seems they can track at very tight angles.
Seems they can track at very tight angles.
Damn....and I ordered two 2m tripods....but nice test!
Why haven't I thought of this.
What tripod product did you end up buying if I may ask?
I wonder if it would work with a 3rd controller. The hole in the middle makes it perfect to put on a beer bottle.
I think that's a general question, can more than 2 controllers be tracked? Are the games allowing that?
That's good to know, because I would be more comfortable placing one lighthouse above my height and the other at medium height.
Edit: I did the calculation wrong. HTC includes local taxes, so I added taxes a second time... The correct total is about 1800 dollars for both pre-orders with shipping (but not including possible import fees)..
Now that is interesting. I just assumed it wasn't possible
Now that is interesting. I just assumed it wasn't possible
This is what I have already been saying, and tried myself with the dk1. The only big risks are having two people or pets block both lighthouses - lost tracking, or having a lighthouse knocked out of its position, which on dk1 is awful as the world will tumble.
If you can avoid those, you're golden
Compsiox
Banned
The best lighthouse stand solution (zero wall damage and leaves more room than tripod):
Support Rod (x2):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CRDD6Y/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Threaded pipe grip(x2):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5M39AW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Support Rod (x2):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CRDD6Y/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Threaded pipe grip(x2):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5M39AW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I just ordered these generic tripods: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00899801A/
I'm hoping the screw-size is pretty universal on these things?
I'm hoping the screw-size is pretty universal on these things?
The headset can apparently connect to 16 things (maybe including itself?).
But, in practice, I doubt anyone is going to support >2 handheld controllers per player. However, they may support other tracked objects (limbs, chair etc).
I just ordered these generic tripods: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00899801A/
I'm hoping the screw-size is pretty universal on these things?
Those are lightstands, not tripods (of the camera variety). You may need an adaptor for certain mounts
The assumption would be that Oculus/Facebook care about making a profit this early in the game. Oculus may be banking on capturing a large enough market-share early on that they are the clear VR leader once manufacturing costs drop and profits increase on the hardware side of the business. It's all just speculation, but with the Vive being arguably better (ships with room-scale and motion controls) I don't think Oculus is going to willingly give access any of their funded games.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
How is everyone going about mirroring the audio to the headset and spectator screen? HDMI and DisplayPort, I can't figure it out, as you can only select one audio output at any one time on a PC, would I need another soundcard?
Guardian Monkey
Member
Would probably be excited about vr and preorder a headset.
Dreams-Visions
Member
*golf claps*
aren't those pretty high impedance? you got like a portable amp to stick in the chain if need be?
steam VR updated to include something about this but I don't know the details.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Do you think they've solved it then? Really keen on sorting this out, as its rubbish for the spectator to be watching a screen in silence.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Looks like Rifts are starting to ship for KS backers. Not concerning me (unfortunately) but I'm still hyped
(source: reddit, confirmed by Oculus rep)
when the first one is confirmed shipped, the VR revolution will have officially begun.
thread needs more hype.
CollectedDust
Member
Would something simple like this work?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000289DC6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I want to be able to move them around before picking a final location.
Oh that's a neat solution
To save people the effort of clicking, you take a builder's support rod, which is a ratcheting telescopic rod with a flat pad on each end, and wedge it between your floor and ceiling. Then you have a quick-release camera mount that clips on at whatever height you want. Unobtrusive, minimal floor take, and quick to demount if need be.
irrotational
Member
Noob question - can someone explain how the rift (or Vive) will work with the maon screen/monitor connected as well?
Do I connect the Rift/Vive to the main HDMI of the graphics card, and then the monitor/TV to the motherboard inbuilt GFX chip?
Will I then have to do anything in windows to tell it which output to use for which?
I'm thinking/assuming I need a normal screen to see the windows desktop and launch SteamVR/Oculus Home...and then I put the headset on and it will automatically send all the VR content into the headset?
What happens to the monitor/TV display in the mean time? Does it turn off, or display the windows desktop, or something else?
Do I connect the Rift/Vive to the main HDMI of the graphics card, and then the monitor/TV to the motherboard inbuilt GFX chip?
Will I then have to do anything in windows to tell it which output to use for which?
I'm thinking/assuming I need a normal screen to see the windows desktop and launch SteamVR/Oculus Home...and then I put the headset on and it will automatically send all the VR content into the headset?
What happens to the monitor/TV display in the mean time? Does it turn off, or display the windows desktop, or something else?
from the changelog
SteamVR said:
two separate outputs on your GPU. One goes to the HMD, the other goes to your monitor/TV for spectators/setting up
Yes, they are. But never had a problem with it. Always turned up the volume^^
DOT DASH DOT
Member
That's great Mrk, looks like we don't have to do anything!
Zalusithix
Member
Jumping back to the analog sticks being good for scrolling through menus conversation that I missed, the haptic touchpad is way better for scrolling.
Dynamically switch the pad to a scroll wheel emulation mode while in the menu and you can seamlessly scroll up and down a menu at varying rates just like a mouse wheel. Anybody that has used the Steam controller knows what I'm talking about. Anybody that hasn't will probably have a hard time imagining how much better the pads are in that role.
Sticks are good for analog movement. For virtually everything else pads are equal or better.
Dynamically switch the pad to a scroll wheel emulation mode while in the menu and you can seamlessly scroll up and down a menu at varying rates just like a mouse wheel. Anybody that has used the Steam controller knows what I'm talking about. Anybody that hasn't will probably have a hard time imagining how much better the pads are in that role.
Sticks are good for analog movement. For virtually everything else pads are equal or better.
irrotational
Member
Great thanks! I think I only have one HDMI port so I'm going to have to use a DVI adapter for the TV...a bit of a pain as I'm then going to have to send sound separately...
I want the Vive to win with its more open stance towards Vr, but I feel like Oculus has the inside track, at least for the short term. Price notwithstanding (I believe Oculus Touch will close the price gap between the two anyway), I don't see room scale as a differentiator and I am more interested in the Rifts launch lineup. Of course, Valve holds the ultimate trump card - the potential for a VR HL3.
Actually, I changed my order to this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000ND518A/ (the other rods mentioned earlier would cost £102.50 on Amazon.co.uk...)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00E5M39AW/
Zalusithix
Member
It wont be a trump card because Valve supports the Rift in Steam.
I don't really see how VR HL3 ever comes to pass (nevermind HL3 coming to pass in the first place). HL3 not supporting 2D monitors is Defcon 1 levels of nerdrage, and I can't imagine a 2D version of HL3 that wouldn't suck in VR (or vice-versa).
Could you use some sort of HDMI splitter? turning one output from the PC into two signals one to the tv and one to the HMD?
Zalusithix
Member
You'll really want the VR headsets as a separate output on the GPU. A splitter will cause constant EDID flipping as the computer detects the monitor disappearing and HMD appearing and vice versa. It'll probably screw with the software stack.
Compsiox
Banned
Oh that's a neat solution
To save people the effort of clicking, you take a builder's support rod, which is a ratcheting telescopic rod with a flat pad on each end, and wedge it between your floor and ceiling. Then you have a quick-release camera mount that clips on at whatever height you want. Unobtrusive, minimal floor take, and quick to demount if need be.
It works really well. I've already got it set up. The mounts and rods are very sturdy .
bigwinnerx
Member
The rod idea is pretty great and certainly for travel (setting up at someone else's house, work, etc)
I can see getting a lot of use out of having a couple of those and quick Vive setups.
That said, the video above seems to show even putting the Lighthouses on the floor might work.
I can see getting a lot of use out of having a couple of those and quick Vive setups.
That said, the video above seems to show even putting the Lighthouses on the floor might work.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Well that and the vive/rift doesnt exactly take a 1080p signal making it moot anyhow.
Yeah looks like ill be buying a display port to HDMI cable.
Zalusithix
Member
Switches shouldn't really care about what resolution or framerate is being sent. Theoretically they should just perform a HDCP handshake, pass the EDID along and send data up to their maximum bandwidth.
The Vive can receive a DP connection on the breakout box.
Oh cool, so a display port cable would work fine then. Thanks for the heads up mate.
When you take a look @ the steam store so many games are for Oculus...and not Vive.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/264710/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313630/
Do we expect that they will be converted?
Otherwise it would be a shame.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/264710/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313630/
Do we expect that they will be converted?
Otherwise it would be a shame.
irrotational
Member
Teknopathetic
Member
"Do we expect that they will be converted?
Otherwise it would be a shame."
Probably a case of (significantly) more Oculus Dev Kits being out in the wild and many small developers not being able to get access to a Vive kit. I'd imagine a lot of them will be updated to support Vive in time.
Otherwise it would be a shame."
Probably a case of (significantly) more Oculus Dev Kits being out in the wild and many small developers not being able to get access to a Vive kit. I'd imagine a lot of them will be updated to support Vive in time.