Compsiox
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Get the Vive. It will be supported as much as the Rift and there will undoubtedly be work arounds to play Oculus Exclusive games on Vive. Also room scale!!
The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Get the Vive. It will be supported as much as the Rift and there will undoubtedly be work arounds to play Oculus Exclusive games on Vive. Also room scale!!
Might want to wait until after this Wednesday to see what Oculus' launch lineup looks like. I'm personally sticking with my Rift preorder, but it depends if you care about the controllers/don't want to wait until Touch is released later this year.
I bought the Vive and will certainly keep it. Room-scale is the most exciting thing in VR right now to me. As a KS backer I'm getting the Rift for free -- I'm still considering whether or not to sell it. But probably not.
Zalusithix
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I can't wait for the day when this is practical. Light field displays (like the Nvidia prototypes) are the holy grail of VR. No big bulky lenses needed. No glasses / contacts needed even for those with vision problems. It'll probably be decades before we get there though. Half due to the manufacturing of the displays and half due to the massively increased GPU workload.
Preordered Rift in the first 10 minutes. I had a DK2 and couldn't wait to see what Vive was going to do.
Looking back I am happy with the Oculus decision. Slightly less noticeable sde, integrated headphones, and the few exclusives make it perfect for my gaming style.
Room scale games are looking really good though. I'm excited to see what they do with Touch and Vive this fall when more full fledged experiences arrive.
I've been kicking myself for not backing it when I had the chance
This can not be true. If the tracked object is occluded, it can not be tracked. It could only possibly coast along off an IMU for a short while, but inherently will have tracking issues and eventually no tracking at all - because it is occluded, ie can not be tracked by the camera, which can't see it.
You can face away from the camera - that doesn't mean the controllers are occluded. If your body movements block line of site, they are occluded. This is almost a certainty when turned around away from the camera and trying to interact in front of you, which is why you have at least 2 tracking sources preferably at opposing corners of a room to counteract that.
This is why PSVR and Rift with forward cameras only, are focused primarily on forward facing experiences, whereas Vive and its opposing corners setup are supporting 360 experiences and room scale. When Touch releases, if cameras are on opposing corners Oculus might support it (no confirmation yet since they want to focus on the forward facing side of things) - however Steam say they will support roomscale/360 games for Touch (which I'd guess will force Oculus to support the same anyway).
Have bothered preordered and will keep both. Vive is the most interesting of the two for me by far right now. Either way I am currently in this haze where I non-VR games are kind of boring. I wonder if it will last.
Surprisingly enough the game that REALLY sold me on it has to be the Job Simulator. That just looks like the most insanely fun game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO429iymBdo
When he starts screwing around later on I was dying laughing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7D_d3nwqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO429iymBdo
When he starts screwing around later on I was dying laughing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7D_d3nwqU
artsi
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I'm buying both, but Rift is coming first. Vive will follow when there's more interesting room scale software, the current offering doesn't really excite me.
Also a chance to save 90 of shipping costs if it comes to the stores.
lukeskymac
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I'm pretty sure you can get a rough estimate of their trajectory using accelerometer+gyro data.
Dusktildawn48
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Preordered Rift in the first 10 minutes. I had a DK2 and couldn't wait to see what Vive was going to do.
Looking back I am happy with the Oculus decision. Slightly less noticeable sde, integrated headphones, and the few exclusives make it perfect for my gaming style.
Room scale games are looking really good though. I'm excited to see what they do with Touch and Vive this fall when more full fledged experiences arrive.
I've been kicking myself for not backing it when I had the chance
Damn guys thanks for the quick input. General responses seem to be go with the Vive bc of room scaling and I think that's what I'm gonna do. I'll have a chance to save up the extra money bc of the extra few months of waiting. Are regular games (alien isolation, skyrim, etc.) Able to be played with the Vive like the videos I've seen of them playing on the Rift dks?
Compsiox
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VorpX (the software you're referencing) is getting Vive support.
I preordered both the Rift and the Vive, but I'm probably gonna cancel my Rift preorder. (Im part of the July Shipment) Roomscale is way too big of a feature to ignore. The alleged exclusivity fiasco from Oculus definitely isnt helping sway my decision either.
I really wonder how effective Vorpx will be with the consumer version of these headsets. Is it still gonna make most people sick?
DOT DASH DOT
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Going for Vive, room scale just looks so good, Rift is preordered too, but that's July and Vive is day one so that helped my decision also.
Yeah that's also pretty important to mention. A wrapper will almost certainly be made for Vive to play Rift games; just a matter of time.
From my experience I would pick the Vive if I could. Playing around in both roomscale and 360 degree games is so much more engaging, natural and just outright fun vs being locked to a more forward facing interaction and playing style. There's no real going back. I'm definitely interested in all the controller based VR for certain games, but its not even a contest. Despite all that, I'm sitting out for a while since I don't really have the money to spend on VR right now over other things. Hopefully that can change.
Zalusithix
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I imagine they have, but I don't know of any new information being made public. It was very much a research project and I doubt it's much closer to being practical today than it was then. We'll probably only hear more about the tech when some breakthrough happens or it becomes commercially viable.
When that day comes though... oh boy. If we consider the current VR situation as "VR 2.0" when compared to what was possible back in the day, then a light field display would mark the beginning of VR 3.0. Totally natural visual reproduction in a compact package.
BruceLeeRoy
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Half Life 3 is coming for Vive
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Meanwhile Sony is sitting on its killer app right here:
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Meanwhile Sony is sitting on its killer app right here:
Thanks for posting this.
In that video you can also see what happens when the light of the move controller is occluded, it's WAY of...
i would bet that most developers will add vive compatibility as soon as they can - it doesn't make sense to exclude that audience.
i still don't know what i'm doing with regards to headsets. getting both but will only keep one. there are too many unknowns to decide in advance, and it might be some odd, tiny, subjective thing that gets me to choose one over the other
reasons to choose OR for me:
- sounds like it is more comfortable
- integrated headphones means one less thing to plug in and take off
- lots of games supported out of the gate due to devs having older kits for a long time
- xbox one controller. my 360 pad is on its last legs so this is handy for me.
- touch is coming in 6 months and I expect most vive 'functionally exclusive' games to come to OR. i also expect oculus to attempt to closely match vive's room scale tracking
reasons to choose vive
- magic.
seriously, i can't imagine the difference it'll make to have room tracking and motion controls. i think which i choose will come down to how blown away i am with vive, and in particular budget cuts, job simulator and tiltbrush. if they are so amazing i can't wait another 6-9 months to experience them again on the rift, then i'll keep the vive. if the initial taste is enough to tide me over, and the OR headset is noticably better, i might swing that way
SolidSnakex
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Half Life 3 is coming for Vive
Believe
Meanwhile Sony is sitting on its killer app right here:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/9/8160041/jumping-flash-on-morpheus
shiftplusone
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same reasons for me (except the xb1 controller, i'm okay without one) but by all accounts from every source the OR doesn't squeeze as much on your head
I got my OR day 1 preorder and i'm keeping it happily.
Tiltbrush looks so fucking cool though, I am disappointed by the delay in the touch controllers. Have they said a reason why they're so far behind on that? Seems like they're not even ready for production at the moment, but people who have used them have said they work fine?
I'd rather have them than the vive wands myself as well. a buddy is getting a vive though so i'll get a chance to goof around with that
Vive. Room scale is what I'm most excited about. By far the most fun I've had in VR is with others in a social setting and the addition of room scale is perfect for this. The performance aspect will be great. I'm also not huge on VR with a traditional controller outside of a cockpit/sim. I would honestly rather chill and play on my 10 ft wide screen most of the time.
The camera and Bluetooth integration will be nice additions to have as well. Won't have to worry about pulling the headset off.
I'm not sure about touch vs wands. The touch looks like it sits in your hands better but is reported to be weird when picking things up and is more of a pistol grip vs gripping a tool. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
Good point.
"Taking Vive one step further, with refreshed branding and an updated headstrap, the Vive consumer edition builds upon the innovative features that were introduced into the Vive Pre. "
Oculus still seems overall like a more refined product, but it will be interesting to see how they compare when people have both consumer versions in hand.
They probably wouldn't have said anything if there was no appreciable difference between the Pre's strap and the consumer version strap. There doesn't seem to be a giant gulf in comfort between rift and vive so any improvement in the strap will bring them closer together.
Dreams-Visions
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That's most likely because the Vive has a higher FOV. Seems to me the 2 companies targeted the same resolution but differed in how much it should be spread across your FOV. Thus, marginally more screen dooring in the Vive. Just two different design opinions on what the balance of FOV vs SDE should be. It doesn't sound like anyone will be disappointed with either headset so it's not going to be a real issue.
this made me think - what games or apps will be on both at launch? i'd want to compare things like SDE and FoV and it would make sense to use the same software
Vyse The Legend
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Elite: Dangerous or w/e the updated version is called.
Zalusithix
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FOV might have been partially dictated by the optics being used rather than an explicit design decision.
plagiarize
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Move#Technology
As I said, I don't know how good the dead reckoning is. I don't know how quickly they get out of sync, and how soon that becomes noticeable.
I understand all of this. But I stand by the notion that it's speculation right now that PSVR can't do something approaching room scale. Can it do it as well? Will there potentially be issues that don't exist with the other methods?
We can all speculate... but we don't even know what the final thing looks like yet. Sony could debut new motion controllers tomorrow for all we know. It strikes me as a disingenuous reason to try and rule out PSVR as a high end VR setup, and I stand by that.
Maybe you'll have to portal turn in Budget Cuts on PSVR to pick up something that fell behind you. Does that really invalidate PSVR? That instead of solely teleporting to move, that you also potentially do a teleport 180?
TLDR: We know touch will support room scale, even if it doesn't do it as well. We don't know what PSVR will support yet. We presume it has a single camera setup with occlusion issues... but lets wait until we see what's in the box before we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I wondered this too, and I also thought about having a microphone. In regards to psvr, when I spoke to someone from Magic Labs, they said they experimented with it but decided against it for various reasons. Cost, complexity, heat, bandwidth, weight, etc. Basically they wanted to put the least amount of stuff in there as possible.
I was going to say that before you posted it. The spheres are what gives it 3D (depth) information. When they are occluded, you are at the mercy of the move's internal sensors. The amount of sensors in the move+camera can coordinate for redundancy (accuracy) in tracking.
Np. Also, see above.
Perfectly fine. Still much more immersive than TV. Insomniac is doing one for OR.
Edit: see?
I kind of doubt that - PS3's Eye could track IR lights just fine - but Move went with multicolored lights probably more for aesthetic reasons than anything else (if that ball never lit-up and in multiple colors, it would look a hell of a lot less interesting). Size of the light sources is a more relevant point.cheezcake said:
The issue with magnetometer use was stability due to interference. It was all but completely deprecated in SDK as result - but when the environment "was" stable - it worked quite well. Razor Hydra pretty much works that way - but they were forced to add a base-station to generate a stable field-reference IIRC.TTP said:
Dreams-Visions
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jstevenson
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Really really well. Just have to design for it - like anything else in VR.
Turin Turambar
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Obviously, they want competition when it's favorable to them, but not when it's in detriment of their own market.
Zalusithix
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What actions has Valve taken to quash competition in any market it takes part in? As a company they have a number of problems, but being anti-competitive isn't one of them.
Dusktildawn48
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So apparently star wars trials of tatooine is exclusive to vive?
There is nothing like the experience of actually taking cover and peeking out to take shots in VR.
EDIT: Oh non first person. Yeah those are great too. Like you are a part of the world. Especially ones where you are among "little people" or viewing a diorama of sorts.
OmarTheHippo
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Exclusive by necessity of hardware limitations (aka Vive currently being the exclusive room scale VR hardware)? Or exclusive because of an exclusivity agreement. Big difference =/
Source?