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The Hydrophobia |OT|
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HadesGigas
Member
Trial ends before you do anything involving guns or manipulating water, not the most encouraging sign.
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
I was really looking forward to this. Then I bought it 
Looks awful, sounds awful, plays awful. What a waste of 1200 points and what a disappointment
Looks awful, sounds awful, plays awful. What a waste of 1200 points and what a disappointment
Captain_Spanky
Member
Liara T'Soni said:
Well they may also feel it's unfair to be dismissive of an "unfinished" product. Like seeing a film without proper editing (this can really affect comedy for example) might make it seem terrible even though the final product is fairly good.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
I have to say I'm enjoying this. I'm into Act 2 now and the environment kills you can get are quite fun.
And the water does look fantastic.
And the water does look fantastic.
Kitschkraft
Member
Yeah but these game reps know in their heart this stuff won't be improved upon in any way. I don't blame them; it's their job after all to hype the game. The system is just borked.Captain_Spanky said:
Uh oh. The creative director for this developer is on some kind of crazed rampage, going after anyone who reviews the game badly:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/09/hydrophobia-developer-defends-game-attacks-critics.ars
If I recall correctly, the last time a developer claimed reviewers were "playing the game wrong", the game was Lair.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/09/hydrophobia-developer-defends-game-attacks-critics.ars
If I recall correctly, the last time a developer claimed reviewers were "playing the game wrong", the game was Lair.
Warm Machine
Member
I bought it but have yet to play it. What I did play at Gamescom was quite good.
Mr. B Natural
Member
Zenith said:
If people truly are "playing the game wrong" (if that means anything), then it's still the dev's fault.
But honestly, this is how reviews really should be. Not the "7 is as low as we go" marketing/hype fests that I've been seeing for the past 15 years. Not all critics should think the same thing about everything. 3's and 9's can co-exist once people start getting honest. Honesty only occurs for games like this one...where the mags and reviewers have nothing to lose by knocking it down and nothing to gain for lifting it up.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
I remember when this game used to look good.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
I NEED SCISSORS said:
I remember when this game was a tech demo with water pouring into rooms.
It's really sad that the developer is acting like this.
The whole, "our game is different so you have to grade it differently" is actually quite cowardly.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
xbhaskarx said:
This man speaks truth in regards to "this year's Shadow Complex".
I played the demo at PAX. It was fun, but didn't interest me enough to be worth $15/1200ms. If it drops to $10/800ms I'm down. That or when the rumored retail copy with future episodes is released.
Sanic
Member
I wish the trial was longer. Anything outside of the water/flooding hook (which was in the trial for 45 seconds. Really now?) felt average. But again, there wasn't enough playtime to get a greater of the game mechanics. So I guess this is a pass for now. Water did look nice, even if the physics of it was incorrect at times.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I dunno, "Edge 3" and "Jim Sterling hate" don't actually turn me off. Funny how shitting on everything makes me not pay attention anyway.
That said, the PR lady sounded like she was overreacting... but then again, every company does this. RockStar treats reviewers like shit if they pan their games, for example. I'm sure if this was a game backed by a big publisher, reviewers wouldn't be so public about the push back anyway.
That said, the PR lady sounded like she was overreacting... but then again, every company does this. RockStar treats reviewers like shit if they pan their games, for example. I'm sure if this was a game backed by a big publisher, reviewers wouldn't be so public about the push back anyway.
Wow, this demo was pretty bad. They had some interesting ideas that made me want to like it, but it was just so unpolished, all the way down to the way the character controlled. She moves way too fast for the smaller environments, and goes from zero to full speed almost instantly.
Nevermind the glitches. In the first platforming sequence in the elevator shaft, I went to drop to the final ledge and she didn't grab on and fell to her death. Then later on when the one hallway flooded and I had to pull the switch to get the water out, everything disappeared. The room, my character, everything except the floor. Except I was still playing, so I was stuck and didn't even make it all the way through the demo.
Nevermind the glitches. In the first platforming sequence in the elevator shaft, I went to drop to the final ledge and she didn't grab on and fell to her death. Then later on when the one hallway flooded and I had to pull the switch to get the water out, everything disappeared. The room, my character, everything except the floor. Except I was still playing, so I was stuck and didn't even make it all the way through the demo.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
There's actually much more detail to the "Edge didn't play this side". I'll be interested to see developments through today (GMT).
TheVampire
Banned
Yeah I didnt like this game at all.
Wish I had the points back.
Wish I had the points back.
Fortinbras
Member
Didn't like the demo. The controls are bad.
Supervlieg
Member
Hmm the 3 doesnt bode well. Ill give the demo a try since I was looking forward to this for some time.
Edit: the demo isnt on PSN or XBLA in th EU, what gives?
Edit: the demo isnt on PSN or XBLA in th EU, what gives?
Umm, plant? You posted in this previous thread A LOT and seemed to know the team closely.ichinisan said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375644&page=4
ichinisan said:
ichinisan said:
StealthGoblin
Banned
dose said:
Wow, if thats another PR shenanigan. . .
*shakes head*
Should never underestimate detective GAF.
EDIT: Eurogamer just gave it 4/10.
Warm Machine
Member
EXGN said:
Yeah. I spoke with the the two at Gamescom and they were very nice affable people. I'd hate to get a 3/10 from a major site after investing 3 years of my life and a truck load of money into a game. I have yet to really play the game though. Just started last night and had to go to bed before anything interesting happenend.
VibratingDonkey
Member
I find the low scores really odd. Edge gave it the same score as Quantum Theory. I simply can't see the parts after demo taking such a steep turn towards the hideously appalling. It's just not possible.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
dose said:
I'm no plant. Just someone who is friends with some of the chaps on the development team. I'm giving an honest opinion to the game (without the guys at Dark Energy prompting). I wouldn't be any kind of gamer if I didn't note that the game has got it's own niggles and issues.
But the game does have it's own good points and I've enjoyed my time playing the game on my own, particularly the environment kills and the water has surprised me a few times.
I'm not sure what the rules are to talk up your friends game. I've seen first hand what people are feeling with the review scores but some of the comments that have been made on the internet (particularly on the EG review and subsequent news article) are plain ignorant and offensive. They have no idea what the guys have been through to get the game out yet feel empowered enough to comment. Whilst I may personally disagree with some of the hullabaloo about the reviews, I can understand where it's coming from.
Now if you think this is still some PR mouthpiece or a stooge and I've been hiding away on GAF for a couple of years going on about Mirror's Edge as some kind of cover for this week then this post won't change your mind. I'm just someone that wants my friends' hardwork to be rewarded.
Anyway hope this has put things straight.
This game really reminds me of Burning Rangers. There are so many environmental effects (fire, steam, water, etc.) on the screen at any one time that it makes it hard to sense what is around you and where you are. I suppose the developers were going for that though...Anyways, I like how story focused the trial is. I'll be purchasing the full version tomorrow so I can take advantage of the rebate Microsoft is offering if you purchase 2400 points worth of stuff in October.
Uhm... I'm playing the demo right now and while the concept is not bad, I think they could have done much better.
For one the amount of cut scenes during the beginning was.. horrible. I just kept skipping them because it was like
Move to this table - cutscene before you reach it - Now move to the balcony - cutscene before you reach it - Now move to the door - cutscene before you reach the door - now leave the room - cutscene about what's going on outside (this one is ok) - now go to this floor - cutscene as soon as you get there - now enter the room - cutscene for the room - now talk to some guy - cutscene where the guy is dead.
Bla bla bla.. Half of those could have been just text / speech playing while the player moves around.
Other than that, the main character is incredibly ugly and the SSAO really kills it instead of making it look better. Other than that, some of the environments look pretty nice even if slightly uninspired. But I liked the ship concept.
Oh, and the effects playing over the screen sort of destroys the immersion. If this were an FPS, those effects would look fine (if a bit too much sometimes), but on a TPS, it's hard to imagine I'm an actual camera floating behind the character...
I will play the whole demo but I don't think I will be buying the full game.
EDIT - Oh and yeah, the water looks great.
For one the amount of cut scenes during the beginning was.. horrible. I just kept skipping them because it was like
Move to this table - cutscene before you reach it - Now move to the balcony - cutscene before you reach it - Now move to the door - cutscene before you reach the door - now leave the room - cutscene about what's going on outside (this one is ok) - now go to this floor - cutscene as soon as you get there - now enter the room - cutscene for the room - now talk to some guy - cutscene where the guy is dead.
Bla bla bla.. Half of those could have been just text / speech playing while the player moves around.
Other than that, the main character is incredibly ugly and the SSAO really kills it instead of making it look better. Other than that, some of the environments look pretty nice even if slightly uninspired. But I liked the ship concept.
Oh, and the effects playing over the screen sort of destroys the immersion. If this were an FPS, those effects would look fine (if a bit too much sometimes), but on a TPS, it's hard to imagine I'm an actual camera floating behind the character...
I will play the whole demo but I don't think I will be buying the full game.
EDIT - Oh and yeah, the water looks great.
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
Funny how fast the developers should forget the amount of coverage Edge gave this game based on just a tech demo.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
Zenith said:
That's one person within the studio not the entire studio causing all that shit. As I said before I don't necessarily agree with the stuff thats been going on with the reviews, however some of the comments about the development process are wrong and offensive.
What would you have done as a friend in this situation (bearing in mind I don't work for the games industry at all)? Just said your game is shit, gutted? Or said well theres actually some good bits in here and then attempted to talk them up.
I'm not saying anyones scores or opinions are wrongs. Far from it. All I'm saying is there is some good stuff in there.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
I don't want anyone to think I'm so blinkered that I don't see whats wrong with the game.
Far from it I could've gladly thrown my controller through the TV last night at the end of Act 2, but I honestly had some fun and wanted to share what I thought was fun with people.
Far from it I could've gladly thrown my controller through the TV last night at the end of Act 2, but I honestly had some fun and wanted to share what I thought was fun with people.
pseudomyxoma
Member
Wizpig said:
That's how I felt playing the trial it was like walk over to the window. Cutscene. Walkover to the door Cutscene. Walk down the hall Cutscene Try to open door. Cutscene. It was really fucking annoying
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You know, I kinda enjoyed this, from what I played in the trial looks like a good game.
Yeah, it lacks polish, yeah controls could be way better, but the game had some cool setpieces, and you know what I enjoyed most? actual plataforming! not automatic-linear shit, I mean you can even die!! WOW.
And water looks nice and moves even better.
I have to say, though, I'm not gonna buy right now, I think it's not worth 1200MS, but I'll probably do when some deal pops up.It could have helped to my decision had some actual deep gameplay in the trial, combat and water manipulation seems like a big deal in the game and you don't get any of that....so while I liked the trial, it's still feels like a blind buy.
Yeah, it lacks polish, yeah controls could be way better, but the game had some cool setpieces, and you know what I enjoyed most? actual plataforming! not automatic-linear shit, I mean you can even die!! WOW.
And water looks nice and moves even better.
I have to say, though, I'm not gonna buy right now, I think it's not worth 1200MS, but I'll probably do when some deal pops up.It could have helped to my decision had some actual deep gameplay in the trial, combat and water manipulation seems like a big deal in the game and you don't get any of that....so while I liked the trial, it's still feels like a blind buy.
HadesGigas
Member
Relaxed Muscle said:
There is a deal active right now that if you buy 2400 MSP worth of games/game add-ons you get 800 points back. Would be good if you want this game + Comic Jumper or Meat Boy or Sonic 4.
well I bought this blind, based on the edge article I read (lol) and a few trailers and... Ugh. At the last act and the 1st time I really need to use the cover and shooting mechanics and it's so unresponsive. Randomly coming out of cover, not going into cover, sticking to walls in cover, stupid barrels everywhere. Up until then it was bad now it's just shit.
I will finish it cos I paid 15 bucks for it...
I will finish it cos I paid 15 bucks for it...
The water effects are cool, but that's about it.
The controls are ASS. I'm sorry to the "plant/shrill/whatever you guys are calling him" friend-of-the-devs-dude, but it's true. Jumping backwards to the switch in the fire-security room is unintuitive and the camera doesn't pan backwards. Did the developers NOT learn from Crystal Dynamics and Naughty Dog on third person platforming from Tomb Raider and Uncharted?
Then I'm trying to pick up an item only to ROLL INTO THE FIRE. Twice. WTF.
That said, the HOLY SHIT THIS IS COOL moment of the demo for me was opening the elevator shaft after the ship starts flooding. The water grabs you and throws you into the shaft while filling up (until the door closes) then your buoyancy kicks in putting you on the surface of the water.
Like I said earlier, if the water tech was good (which it mostly is) the developers should license the tech out. It couldn't hurt if it's able to be exported and benefits developers with physics for water and stuff.
That said, the game isn't terrible for a tech demo game, but definitely not worth $15.
The controls are ASS. I'm sorry to the "plant/shrill/whatever you guys are calling him" friend-of-the-devs-dude, but it's true. Jumping backwards to the switch in the fire-security room is unintuitive and the camera doesn't pan backwards. Did the developers NOT learn from Crystal Dynamics and Naughty Dog on third person platforming from Tomb Raider and Uncharted?
Then I'm trying to pick up an item only to ROLL INTO THE FIRE. Twice. WTF.
That said, the HOLY SHIT THIS IS COOL moment of the demo for me was opening the elevator shaft after the ship starts flooding. The water grabs you and throws you into the shaft while filling up (until the door closes) then your buoyancy kicks in putting you on the surface of the water.
Like I said earlier, if the water tech was good (which it mostly is) the developers should license the tech out. It couldn't hurt if it's able to be exported and benefits developers with physics for water and stuff.
That said, the game isn't terrible for a tech demo game, but definitely not worth $15.
2 Minutes Turkish
Banned
Downloaded the trial.
Very MEH.
Didn't help that it had more cutscenes than MGS4 either in the trial.
Walk two steps, cutscene. Press a button, cutscene. Walk a bit more, cut scene. Yeah, I can see a game in there, but they wouldn't let me try it out.
Very MEH.
Didn't help that it had more cutscenes than MGS4 either in the trial.
Walk two steps, cutscene. Press a button, cutscene. Walk a bit more, cut scene. Yeah, I can see a game in there, but they wouldn't let me try it out.
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
This feels like a game that the developers never really had other people playing it. The map system is confusing, ugly and most of the time useless. I'm in chapter 3 now and I really haven't seen any of this emergent gameplay due to the water....iffy controls too.
Definitely hot horrible though, but feels like the developers thought this is going to be the best game ever and take them selves a bit too seriously.
Definitely hot horrible though, but feels like the developers thought this is going to be the best game ever and take them selves a bit too seriously.
supermackem
Banned
Its a damn shame, there was alot of buzz that went behide this game i remeber it seemed to get a big push on the live dashboard ages ago. Now with all the bad press from the pr cock ups and low reviews scores its going to put alot of people of this game.