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The 'I think the pricing on 360 is great' thread.

If your into MMO's etc.. of cause your gonna get the full monty 360 with hard drive etc...

If you not and don't care and only what to play great games like RR6 and PGR3 then who needs a disk drive.

Worse comes to the worse you can always get one later.

It's great to have options.
 
I'm sorry that I don't feel the need to subsidise a specialty niche that has no entertainment value to me.

I was being semi-sarcastic, I'm just as upset at the pricing scheme as anyone.
 
MetatronM said:
Unlike the original Xbox, it is now NECESSARY to spend EXTRA money for storage space. Just like with all the iterations of the Playstation and everything else like it, you MUST factor in AT LEAST $40 to be able to, for all intents and purposes, PLAY GAMES, which is something YOU DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL XBOX. Now you are at $340. An Xbox Live account comes with your empty Xbox. Wonderful, BUT YOU CAN'T USE IT because there is no storage device.

What about all those wonderful things Microsoft promised out of the box, like the wireless controllers? Extra. XBL Marketplace? Extra. Partial backwards compatibility? $100 extra.

Wow. What a great deal. $300 for an X360 disc drive.
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No. I think your thinking about this all wrong. Xbox360 (HDD version) is the standard version and comes with wireless controllers etc..

360 core version is the ultra cut down version for those who don't need/want the extra features.

I'll be getting the full feature version but it's nice to know that folks that don't want to spend that amount can get a cheaper version and still enjoy the great games.
 
I'm done with your viral marketing. I don't see how you can enjoy ANY (non-arcade) games without the option to save them.
 
So no backwards compatibility (in PS2) and no next-gen media format (in PS2) in addition to dumping the HDD (in X1)? I fail to see how this deal is relatively the equivalent of PS2 or Xbox at launch. MS took a big shit on XFans and you guys are lapping it up.
 
I think the $399 bundle is fine (I was expecting between $360 and $400). I just think the $299 base model is stupid, especially with the price of peripherals. The only reason it exists is so Microsoft can advertise the high end model while being able to say 'Starting at $299'.
 
jimbo said:
I really don't understand all the bitching and moaning. I mean it's $299. THAT IS the standart console. That's what the Xbox was. That's what the PS2 was(without a hard drive might I add)

...Big freaking deal.
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Maybe that's what the XBox was, and the PlayStation2 was, but the "Big freaking deal" is that's not what Microsoft led people to believe and it sure as shit isn't what the PlayStation3 IS.
 
VALIS said:
The pricing seems fine to me, the only thing that seems like a ripoff is the controller is wired in the $300 package. If you're gonna show off your wireless controllers every chance you get, don't switch 'em out at the last minute. Otherwise, you take the 360's base $300 package and compare it every other console launch and the 360 suddenly looks like a great deal.
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Ehh, I dunno. Compared to Xbox launch, it's without a hard drive. Compared to GameCube launch, it's $100 more. Compared to PS2 launch, it's pretty much the same.
 
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JoshuaJSlone said:
Ehh, I dunno. Compared to Xbox launch, it's without a hard drive. Compared to GameCube launch, it's $100 more. Compared to PS2 launch, it's pretty much the same.
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I'm with you on the GC and xbox comparison but your ps2 comparison is wrong. The ps2 had a next gen media format(DVD) at the time, it also had backwards compatibility. The xbox 360 core edition has current gen disc format and no backwards compatibility.
 
Well, they have to pay for J Allard's medical bills somehow, guys.

The accessories are way too expensive. I hope Sony and Nintendo don't follow this example.

So if you get the $399 system, how much would the average price be with the extras?
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I bet they do, which sucks. Given Sony's memory card pricing and Nintendo's shameless Micro pricing, I have very little doubt.
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Well, the Micro is probably going to retail for $100, which was the price most reasonable people were already expecting... and Nintendo has never sold a console for more than $200, so I'm interested in seeing what happens this time.
 
heidern said:
The xbox 360 core edition has current gen disc format and no backwards compatibility.
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Has the no backward compatibility for core been confirmed yet?
 
Too much money for too little return. Seriously fuck the 360, hurry up PS3 and may the "revolution" be stillborn.
 
Ryudo said:
Too much money for too little return. Seriously fuck the 360, hurry up PS3 and may the "revolution" be stillborn.
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How is $299 too much money for an amazing next gen machine...
 
cyberheater said:
How is $299 too much money for an amazing next gen machine...
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Amazing ? You have seen the titles so far right ? The only one that looks next gen and compareable to the PS3 tech demos (supposedly realtime) is Gears of war and maybe PGR 3.

Add the fact that it doesnt support live out of the box, no hdd, no wireless, no next gen media format... its pretty ... over priced.

I used to be a major xbot, now i dont give a stuff. The PC will suffice along with the PS3.
 
cyberheater said:
No. I think your thinking about this all wrong. Xbox360 (HDD version) is the standard version and comes with wireless controllers etc..

360 core version is the ultra cut down version for those who don't need/want the extra features.

I'll be getting the full feature version but it's nice to know that folks that don't want to spend that amount can get a cheaper version and still enjoy the great games.
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I know those words, but that sign makes no sense.
 
The funny thing is... that half the people who are bitching about the price are gonna stand in line at midnight... and will be like " Fuck... I have to buy this shit sometime" and just dish out the money.


Does anyone think that prior to the PS3 Launch MS will go to one SKU (being the old 399 price) and dump it down to 299? or perhaps 20 dollars under ps3?
 
Jewbacca said:
Does anyone think that prior to the PS3 Launch MS will go to one SKU (being the old 399 price) and dump it down to 299? or perhaps 20 dollars under ps3?
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I believe that's the gameplan.
 
I think everyone would have been talking about the greatness of the pricing if Microsoft had included 1-2GB of some sort of flash memory in the $299 SKU and $399 SKU as standard. That way all games could use some form of caching and thus making it standard on all 360s regardless of SKU.

Microsoft could have wrapped "game cache" specific APIs into their standard distributed libraries and forced developers to use them allowing for an easier time at TRC for developers.

Also since solid state memory becomes cheaper with time and new technologies allow increases Microsoft could have internal storage standard and given themselves a huge amount of flexibility with future SKUs.


As it is now, I decided today to get the premium pack, but this whole incident just makes me fairly certain Microsoft is not ready to sit on the console throne yet and Sony will remain in control for at least another generation....

I expected this type of pricing but I was almost certain Microsoft was going to drop a bombshell and announce the 2 SKUs but all 360's with solid state memory.

Oh well, that's life. At least Euros aren't having to bend over like they usually do when it comes to pricing...
 
Trtuh be told... im actually kind of confused on the pricing.

because of the split in systems im not sure if both of them are worth it.

for example you have the core package... which is by far the worst package ever in gaming thanks to the absurd accessory prices.

and then you have the premium pack which comes with just about everything you would want.

but im not going to lie... 399 is kind of steep and im not sure if I can afford it. Especially since I want to buy a new HDTV... and we all know HDTV (good ones) cost an arm and a leg.

...

then there's the "launch system" bs where things break easily and need to be replaced. I dont want to go out and buy another 50 dollar controller.

And lord knows i dont want this system to fuck up out of the blue so i have to ship it to microsoft (letting them take more of my money) so they can fix their mistake.


i digress... im still planning on picking one up... i just dont think i will be buying as many games as I thought i would be.

sometimes being a gamer sucks
 
maybe if MS sees all the bitching and moaning from all the gaming forums we'll actually see the standard package come with hdd and wireless in the box...They browse the internet too
 
Now that I've had time to think more about SKUgate, I'm pretty happy with the pricing scheme. Why? Because they assuredly priced me out of the Xbox 360 ownership game for a long time. I was afraid I'd succumb to launch hype and buy into it, but with the current tiered structure, I'm out and waiting on Rev and PS3 instead.

Do I think PS3 will be any cheaper? Absolutely not. That's why I need to save my money! There are far too many good current gen titles coming this fall for me to invest in an 360 this early. I'll continue to wait on Sony.

Thank you Microsoft! You've made the decision much much easier this Christmas.
 
trmas said:
Yeah sure.. Anyone who defends this is a moron. MS blew it with this stupid 2 SKU business.
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Great argument!

Wrong thread.

This thread is specifically supposed to be for people to comment on the positive aspects of the 360 pricing - value for money etc. If you don't like it there are a million other fuckin threads.

360 fans must know how it feels to be Nintendo fans the last couple of days, although I have to say, the Nintendo hate is usually served up with a scoop of condescending affection. The latent 360 rage in this thread is baffling. So many folks popped out of the woodwork with agendas.

Anyway, $400, I'm in. Do I wish it was $300? DUH.
 
"Angry about the value of the core version? Shut up and drop $400!"

But... what if everyone has that idea on launch day, and the only thing left on the shelf is a core version with shitty AV cables and a tethered controller? I'll then have to drop close to $200 more to match what my flaunting fucks for friends have. THIS is Microsoft's plan. Ream the hardcores who can't manage to find a bundle, and cushion the blow of hardware loss with sickeningly overpriced peripherals. I'm on to you Gates! I'm on to you!
 
I am very happy with the price. $299 for a bare bones system has been the price for the past 10 years now. Anyone that thought you were going to get a wireless controller and all the other bells in whistles for less then $300 were dreaming. Well... the pricing was finally released, so it's time to wake up and join the rest of us in reality. $299 is the run of the mill price for bare bone consoles and what you're getting for $399 is a bargain. Why include all the HD when a great number of people don't want it and why include wireless controllers when they were never included before? Personally, I don't want a wireless controller.

I do think it was a mistake to not make the hdd standard on all models.
 
Geek said:
Now that I've had time to think more about SKUgate, I'm pretty happy with the pricing scheme. Why? Because they assuredly priced me out of the Xbox 360 ownership game for a long time. I was afraid I'd succumb to launch hype and buy into it, but with the current tiered structure, I'm out and waiting on Rev and PS3 instead.
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Waiting for what? You're going to get the same thing for the same price then... and if you're concerned about money, rest assured that the 360 will be $50 - $100 cheaper then the ps3 at it's launch.

"PS3 is going to be expensive"

Sony's goal was:
"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else.

If the quote sounds familiar, it's because it was from a Japanese article--an article which speculated the PS3 will sell for $399.

So... keep saving those pennies Geek.

I, personally, will not be purchasing a 360 at launch. I have yet to purchase a launch console. I'll wait 9 months until the real games start flowing in and get the console at a much lower price.
 
ATJaguarX said:
Waiting for what? You're going to get the same thing for the same price then... and if you're concerned about money, rest assured that the 360 will be $50 - $100 cheaper then the ps3 at it's launch.
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I'm waiting for a price drop really (not to mention further software exclusives). I'm personally more of a fan of Eastern developed software, and still feel a bit burned by my Xbox purchase, which didn't really offer me much in the way of compelling games. There continues to be very little on the Japanese front software-wise that interests me outside of 99 Nights.

I'm fully aware that the PS3 could be as expensive if not more than the 360, which is why I put that in my quoted post. That obviously means I have less gaming dollars to go around this year. I'm going to go with the better bet for me: PS3.

ATJaguarX said:
So... keep saving those pennies Geek.
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Will do.
 
ATJaguarX said:
Why include all the HD when a great number of people don't want it and
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Where did this come from? You aren't the first person who has said this and I'd like to know... who are these people who said they didn't want a HD in their $299 Xbox 360 even though they had a HD in their $299 Xbox?
 
cyberheater said:
Has the no backward compatibility for core been confirmed yet?
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/17/news_6131245.html

The 360 gets two spins: the $299 non-backwards compatible "Core System" and the $399 package with 20GB HD, controller, headset, HD cables, and remote control.

Microsoft has confirmed that the "Core System" will not be backwards compatible out-of-the-box. In order to play current-generation Xbox games, owners of the bare-bones system will have to purchase the detachable hard drive. It is unclear whether or not backwards compatibility will work with the smaller-capacity 64MB memory cards.
 
Stinkles said:
Great argument!

Wrong thread.

This thread is specifically supposed to be for people to comment on the positive aspects of the 360 pricing - value for money etc. If you don't like it there are a million other fuckin threads.

360 fans must know how it feels to be Nintendo fans the last couple of days, although I have to say, the Nintendo hate is usually served up with a scoop of condescending affection. The latent 360 rage in this thread is baffling. So many folks popped out of the woodwork with agendas.

Anyway, $400, I'm in. Do I wish it was $300? DUH.
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Now, let's be fair.

I do think $400 for the premium pack is a very nice compromise.

But I despise the split userbase and the ridiculous price gouging on the accessories. It completely overshadows any positives on the announcements.

This is coming from a big big Xbox fan. It has been my favorite console this generation. I loved all the value I got from MS this generation, but it seems they're going the opposite direction and it's quite disappointing for someone that has supported them.
 
NWO said:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/17/news_6131245.html

The 360 gets two spins: the $299 non-backwards compatible "Core System" and the $399 package with 20GB HD, controller, headset, HD cables, and remote control.

Microsoft has confirmed that the "Core System" will not be backwards compatible out-of-the-box. In order to play current-generation Xbox games, owners of the bare-bones system will have to purchase the detachable hard drive. It is unclear whether or not backwards compatibility will work with the smaller-capacity 64MB memory cards.
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Thanks. I kinda thought that it would be the case. Still. It's good to have the choice.
 
IJoel said:
Now, let's be fair.

I do think $400 for the premium pack is a very nice compromise.

But I despise the split userbase and the ridiculous price gouging on the accessories. It completely overshadows any positives on the announcements.

This is coming from a big big Xbox fan. It has been my favorite console this generation. I loved all the value I got from MS this generation, but it seems they're going the opposite direction and it's quite disappointing for someone that has supported them.
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Exactly. $399 is not bad. Not bad at all.

Both packages slap you in the face with accessory prices, but the $299 bullshit just rams it up the ass. The $299 pack is really either $340 with memory card or $399 (!) with Hard drive because you gotta save your games.

Considering what you get for only $60 more (the price of ONE game. Jebus) in the premium pack, all the $299 pack does is fragment the HardDrive userbase and give them the magic pricepoint they can market. The people that buy this will be the same people that bought Superman 64 for a serious take on game design. There is no other point to it's existence. It's not a choice, it's a marketing ploy. Worthless in every practical regard
 
Future said:
Exactly. $399 is not bad. Not bad at all.

The $299 pack is really either $340 with memory card or $399 (!) with Hard drive because you gotta save your games.
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Like how the PS2 wasn`t 299 plus a memory card you need for saving your games ?
 
Jewbacca said:
Does anyone think that prior to the PS3 Launch MS will go to one SKU (being the old 399 price) and dump it down to 299? or perhaps 20 dollars under ps3?
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No. HDD is too inflexible. If Sony ship with a HDD, MS have to have a SKU with the HDD. Otherwise they could choose to go a middle route - match Sony's main hardware - X360, wireless controller - and ship for $249-$299



I wonder if I'll do a midnight launch for this? Never done one before because I usually import - and I'm not particularly hyped for 360, but it might be fun.
 
hey MS, fuck off with your £50 games.

By all means raise the price in the US, but in the UK PS2 and Xbox games are discounted regularly to £30, so X360 back at the normal price of £40 is still effectively a price hike. I'm not buying much at 50-fucking-quid
 
ATJaguarX said:
Waiting for what? You're going to get the same thing for the same price then... and if you're concerned about money, rest assured that the 360 will be $50 - $100 cheaper then the ps3 at it's launch.
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Same thing maybe gaming wise... Look at the things the PS3 will have and can do there's a long list. But first and foremost it will have a next gen dvd player which in it of itself will represent a great value.
 
Goreomedy said:
"Angry about the value of the core version? Shut up and drop $400!"

But... what if everyone has that idea on launch day, and the only thing left on the shelf is a core version with shitty AV cables and a tethered controller? I'll then have to drop close to $200 more to match what my flaunting fucks for friends have. THIS is Microsoft's plan. Ream the hardcores who can't manage to find a bundle, and cushion the blow of hardware loss with sickeningly overpriced peripherals. I'm on to you Gates! I'm on to you!
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there's something called a preorder. you should look into this new, innovative and dumbfounding concept.
 
mrklaw said:
hey MS, fuck off with your £50 games.

By all means raise the price in the US, but in the UK PS2 and Xbox games are discounted regularly to £30, so X360 back at the normal price of £40 is still effectively a price hike. I'm not buying much at 50-fucking-quid
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It's not MS who sets the game prices.

I think 360 and PS3 will all have games around the 50 quid mark. It's the new price point.
I too would like them lower but I think the publishers will be trying to milk us as hard as possible.
 
I think your problem cyberheater is that you're taking the $299 package and adding the price of the overpriced accessories which makes the $399 package look like a great value. The problem with that is the "premium" package is really the standard package. You should be subtracting the value of the overpriced accessories from that package which will show you what a terrible value the $299 SKU is.
 
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