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[dDoc]

First 2 episodes were stellar.

Ep 3 and 4 got a tad boring to be honest, IMO.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How in the world was this episode shit, when the acting, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue and the pacing of it all were excellent?

We just didn't enjoy it as much as the last 3 episodes. It was "ok" at a push.

I enjoyed the nods to the game. Ellie dialogue being exact to the game with the Porno mag and the crashing the car was close so that was cool.

Adding in the woman and Tommy was just poor, she felt ham fisted. My Mrs was asking me who they were in the game and I was just like..they arent in the game....how the fuxk can one guy and his little brother be damaging an entire clan of people? Also they missed a trick by not showing all the clothes and stuff piled up, showing the raiders stealing peoples stuff.

It was poorly, written, didn't engage the Mrs at all and just seemed bad.

They are going to have to drop this woman as quick as they introduced her to get to Henry and Sam's through the damn/sewer section...or maybe they flesh her character out but it just felt off.

Mrs found it really poor and I agree. If you'd played the game you could get the nods but that episode did nothing at all when you think about it.

 

[Fenixowaty]

Not enough gay love, the episode was crap

 

[GHG]

You are proper weird, why would someone make that up.

I bet you want the name address, contact details of my Mrs so she can verify it?

Lmao, this guy.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Oh! My nose!

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Even my Mrs who's really enjoyed the first three episodes turned to me and just said, that wasn't great, what was that...is that how it is in the game....?

...I just said no it isn't, the two characters they introduced are good and it should improve I hope lol.

Funny, my gf said the same about episode 3.

 

[AV]

Enjoying the whole show, last night's was the weakest but that's fine, obvious filler episode between the meat.

I love that this was what all the turbo-autistic "episode 3 does not move the plot along" commentators wanted. An episode about them mostly driving and sleeping with a little action thrown in.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

We just didn't enjoy it as much as the last 3 episodes. It was "ok" at a push.

I enjoyed the nods to the game. Ellie dialogue being exact to the game with the Porno mag and the crashing the car was close so that was cool.

Adding in the woman and Tommy was just poor, she felt ham fisted. My Mrs was asking me who they were in the game and I was just like..they arent in the game....how the fuxk can one guy and his little brother be damaging an entire clan of people? Also they missed a trick by not showing all the clothes and stuff piled up, showing the raiders stealing peoples stuff.

It was poorly, written, didn't engage the Mrs at all and just seemed bad.

They are going to have to drop this woman as quick as they introduced her to get to Henry and Sam's through the damn/sewer section...or maybe they flesh her character out but it just felt off.

Mrs found it really poor and I agree. If you'd played the game you could get the nods but that episode did nothing at all when you think about it.

Man, I feel for the writers, it's hard to get through to people. Especially when you're expanding on the story as part of a television adaptation i.e. obviously its a show rather than gameplay, so you're going to add elements that weren't in the game.

How can one guy and his little brother be damaging to an entire group? Even with them spelling this out, you still don't understand. The reality is Henry and Sam are not damaging to an entire group. Kathleen is the one who is damaged. She is the leader of the group and she feels personally wronged by Henry and is using her authority to seek revenge. The group goes along with it because they've been wronged by FEDRA and accept her personification of FEDRA's wrongdoings through "collaborators". This is a distraction from the group who can't move on and heal. Note there is a bloater, literally coming up through the ground and she is still focused on Henry.

The theme here is this is humanity now, which will further establish our thoughts later in the series. Ellie and Joel will come across different groups here, and they're pretty much all bad. Which is basically another theme that if you survived these last 20 years, you're probably not good people.

They aren't raiders. They were regular people in the QZ who fought back against FEDRA.

It wasn't poorly written, you just didn't get it. You and the Mrs. need to dig deeper.

 

[saintjules]

Sadly next episode is all but guaranteed to decrease as it's streaming only on Friday and then being Aired on Sunday.

So it'll split the viewership.

Weird if true. Why not just have it put available on Friday? And it remains to be seen on what you're saying on viewership.

 

[AV]

Man, I feel for the writers, it's hard to get through to people. Especially when you're expanding on the story as part of a television adaptation i.e. obviously its a show rather than gameplay, so you're going to add elements that weren't in the game.

How can one guy and his little brother be damaging to an entire group? Even with them spelling this out, you still don't understand. The reality is Henry and Sam are not damaging to an entire group. Kathleen is the one who is damaged. She is the leader of the group and she feels personally wronged by Henry and is using her authority to seek revenge. The group goes along with it because they've been wronged by FEDRA and accept her personification of FEDRA's wrongdoings through "collaborators". This is a distraction from the group who can't move on and heal. Note there is a bloater, literally coming up through the ground and she is still focused on Henry.

The theme here is this is humanity now, which will further establish our thoughts later in the series. Ellie and Joel will come across different groups here, and they're pretty much all bad. Which is basically another theme that if you survived these last 20 years, you're probably not good people.

They aren't raiders. They were regular people in the QZ who fought back against FEDRA.

It wasn't poorly written, you just didn't get it. You and the Mrs. need to dig deeper.

Great post. It's bizarre seeing people who are more used to video games than film or TV watching this show and expecting them to push push push through the plot. Why? The core plot of TLOU is basic as all hell. It's reinforced by the video game around it in which the user spends almost 2/3 entire game either scavenging, walking, in menus or watching cutscenes. You can't just have 10 hours of a show be "the plot" of TLOU because it would be over in half the time and be a fraction as interesting as what we currently have.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Great post. It's bizarre seeing people who are more used to video games than film or TV watching this show and expecting them to push push push through the plot. Why? The core plot of TLOU is basic as all hell. It's reinforced by the video game around it in which the user spends almost 2/3 entire game either scavenging, walking, in menus or watching cutscenes. You can't just have 10 hours of a show be "the plot" of TLOU because it would be over in half the time and be a fraction as interesting as what we currently have.

I don't love all the changes and wish they would execute more on some set pieces.

If you look at the ambush scene in the game, I think they did it MUCH better including the build up (they chose to cut out the part about Ellie finding the comic and straight to the tape.

"He ain't even hurt"

Getting hit by the bus at the end of the ambush.

They obviously decided to go more grounded here, but I think hitting on these set pieces would a) make fans happy b) have people really talking about the show even more. Whether that was thematic or for budgetary reasons, I don't know.

That being said, there are things they're doing way better like the scene with Bryan which combined the fight after the ambush with the scene where Joel is struggling to with his head underwater and Ellie shoots the guy in the head.

They're also pushing off Ellie making her first kill on the show. So we'll see how that goes.

But for this guy to say, how is Henry damaging an entire group when it was basically shoved in our faces that Kathleen blamed the deaths of Bryan and co on Henry when we the audience know it wasn't his fault... The whole town goes into a rampage to try to find him based off this fiction. Great way to show group think in a post-apocalyptic setting, something we don't see much of in the game.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Snore of an episode.

I was invested until they ran into the other people.

I usually love melanie lynsky but her presence was garbage.

Man the casting in this show is my least favorite part.

 

[Silent Viper]

Episode 3 was meh. All that cringe gay love made me not care about that episode.

No offense to my American friends.

 

[Dick Jones]

Came for the zombies, stayed for the old men snogging

Came for the Z, stayed for the D

 

[Thirty7ven]

The show is a hit with the audience. Personally having as much fun reading haters coping as I am watching the show. We have been blessed.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

But the homophobes told me the show was jumping the shark after episode 3?
I don't get it?

How is this dead IP succeeding at everything it tries to achieve?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Man, I feel for the writers, it's hard to get through to people. Especially when you're expanding on the story as part of a television adaptation i.e. obviously its a show rather than gameplay, so you're going to add elements that weren't in the game.

How can one guy and his little brother be damaging to an entire group? Even with them spelling this out, you still don't understand. The reality is Henry and Sam are not damaging to an entire group. Kathleen is the one who is damaged. She is the leader of the group and she feels personally wronged by Henry and is using her authority to seek revenge. The group goes along with it because they've been wronged by FEDRA and accept her personification of FEDRA's wrongdoings through "collaborators". This is a distraction from the group who can't move on and heal. Note there is a bloater, literally coming up through the ground and she is still focused on Henry.

The theme here is this is humanity now, which will further establish our thoughts later in the series. Ellie and Joel will come across different groups here, and they're pretty much all bad. Which is basically another theme that if you survived these last 20 years, you're probably not good people.

They aren't raiders. They were regular people in the QZ who fought back against FEDRA.

It wasn't poorly written, you just didn't get it. You and the Mrs. need to dig deeper.

Me and the Mrs need to try and dig deeper into a character that is somehow controlling a group of people who all listen to her and support her shooting their doctor.....

That character wouldn't last 5 minutes in the post apocalypse....dig deeper bro. Terrible character. Like one of them wouldn't have just shot her and taken control...she's a flipping idiot.

 

[gow3isben]

How does this compare to viewership of House of Dragon?

 

[Jayjayhd34]

How does this compare to viewership of House of Dragon?

9.3 million for house of dragons finale.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Me and the Mrs need to try and dig deeper into a character that is somehow controlling a group of people who all listen to her and support her shooting their doctor.....

That character wouldn't last 5 minutes in the post apocalypse....dig deeper bro. Terrible character. Like one of them wouldn't have just shot her and taken control...she's a flipping idiot.

Garbage take.

How many of them know she shot the doctor? Two, how many of them were in favor of pro fedra doctor who may or may not have gotten their friends killed.

Like this is the definition of a low information viewer. Thinking that all characters in the series have the full knowledge of what the audience has. OR that the audience has all the knowledge that we need to have to suss out individual motives.

What we do know is that she is in charge and that so far her inner circle is with her, even though they've shown doubts (Perry).

The reality is that this militia group is just made out of normal people, which is why they were dispatched so easily by Joel and Ellie. They most likely overtook FEDRA by numbers.

What is the history of this soccer mom? She was in the QZ, lived in the QZ, witness the atrocities of FEDRA, was involved if not organized the uprising against them. Surprised people would listen to her or that some regular person (a friend of hers) wouldn't just automatically kill her and think they can jump in and replace her and not face any reprisals from anyone who still followed her?

Definitely low information...

 

[AV]

That character wouldn't last 5 minutes in the post apocalypse....

This is one of the worst arguments anyone can ever make about a fictional piece of media and it's almost always about post-apocalypse stuff. Trying to apply real life logic to a situation that has literally never happened as if you already know exactly what "would" happen from the comfort of your office chair.

It's fiction. This show is supposed to entertain. It would be incredibly boring if every situation resolved itself in the most on-paper logical way possible.

Do you watch slasher movies and get annoyed that the characters make bad decisions?

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

The show is fire.

 

[Punished Miku]

The core plot of TLOU is basic as all hell.

After all these years, someone finally agrees with me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is one of the worst arguments anyone can ever make about a fictional piece of media and it's almost always about post-apocalypse stuff. Trying to apply real life logic to a situation that has literally never happened as if you already know exactly what "would" happen from the comfort of your office chair.

It's fiction. This show is supposed to entertain. It would be incredibly boring if every situation resolved itself in the most on-paper logical way possible.

Do you watch slasher movies and get annoyed that the characters make bad decisions?

More to the point, people aren't logical in real life let alone in fiction.

The poster makes the classic mistake of applying logic based on information the audience knows that all characters don't and shouldn't know and getting upset at them based off of their decisions.

Your example is perfect, people who get mad at characters in slasher movies, because they don't know they're in a slasher movie, we do.

Sarah goes over to the neighbor's house in the first episode. We wouldn't do that because we know what kind of shows she's in. A normal person under normal circumstances would absolutely try to take their neighbor's dog back to their house and if the dog ran away, let them know. Oh, but the news said stay inside. Do you really think a teenager thinks that applies to them and their neighbor's house?

 

[Punished Miku]

This is one of the worst arguments anyone can ever make about a fictional piece of media and it's almost always about post-apocalypse stuff. Trying to apply real life logic to a situation that has literally never happened as if you already know exactly what "would" happen from the comfort of your office chair.

It's fiction. This show is supposed to entertain. It would be incredibly boring if every situation resolved itself in the most on-paper logical way possible.

Do you watch slasher movies and get annoyed that the characters make bad decisions?

I totally disagree. The "zombie apocalypse" genre is the only horror genre dominated by pragmatic and logical characters. That's the entire point, literally. The preppers, the zombie survival plans, people literally joke about that stuff now and discuss how they'd best survive and who would be on their team. TWD they go to a jail with double fences, start growing food. They start questioning everyone they meet as a potential liar or predator. They go on specific supply runs for resources. They conserve ammo and use melee weapons when possible. And this is 20 years after the apocalypse. The show is reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bad about showing how any of these people would survive at all. They stroll around out in the open without a care in the world, no tension, no planning, no real combat expertise shown at all. About the only thing they showed is the one scene where Joel has a stash hidden at that store with some ammo, and that's about it. Bill's episode started out good with his prepping, but got more unrealistic the longer it went on. Everything is supposed to have logic to it. When they went to bed in episode 4 even my girlfriend commented how stupid it is to crush a bunch of glass and then sleep directly in front of the window so anyone can see them, not even around the corner. And yes, they know that doctors are extra valuable and irreplaceable.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

It's a good show, and it doesn't have a lot of competition right now. I'm glad they are doing great, I love the first game and the adaptation so far is excellent, this episode feels shorter especially after the third one, so far I miss the prologues with scientists from the first two episodes.

 

[AV]

I totally disagree. The "zombie apocalypse" genre is the only horror genre dominated by pragmatic and logical characters.

I dunno where you're getting this from. Go all the way back to its roots in Night of the Living Dead and it ends on the absolute inverse of this, very much on purpose to make a socio-political point. Dawn and Day are both studies of temporary order being brought to its knees by human flaws. That's the very heart and point of zombie fiction - that zombies aren't the biggest threat.

As such The Walking Dead - one of the worst shows ever committed to television - still relies on humans making selfish, illogical decisions to move the narrative on. That prison only lasted a season and a half before the writers knew they had to move it on, same with whatever came before and afterwards. All I remember about season 2 is people arguing on a farm, it didn't strike me as pragmatic at the time.

 

[Punished Miku]

I dunno where you're getting this from. Go all the way back to its roots in Night of the Living Dead and it ends on the absolute inverse of this, very much on purpose to make a socio-political point. Dawn and Day are both studies of temporary order being brought to its knees by human flaws. That's the very heart and point of zombie fiction - that zombies aren't the biggest threat.

As such The Walking Dead - one of the worst shows ever committed to television - still relies on humans making selfish, illogical decisions to move the narrative on. That prison only lasted a season and a half before the writers knew they had to move it on, same with whatever came before and afterwards. All I remember about season 2 is people arguing on a farm, it didn't strike me as pragmatic at the time.

That's the whole genre now. It's explicitly about logistics and logical planning for survival. They literally even sell books about logically planning for it.

And I totally disagree about TWD. The later seasons definitely dip in quality, but nothing in The Last of Us so far has even come remotely close to the acting, casting, action scenes, in TWD. Not even slightly close. TLOU has better set design and better cinematography though, not counting TWD S1 which is still better in that area as well.

 

[V1LÆM]

That woman leader is pissing me off. Maybe it's her accent lol. I can't be arsed with this whole plot they are setting up with her and the bunch of bro dudes with guns and edgy trucks. I don't remember that from the game? Or maybe it was there but not much time was spent on it? It's been a long time since I played it so I don't know. I do remember Henry and Sam who I quite liked so hope they aren't annoying.

Hopefully we get to the University/Winter scenes soon.

Do we know if we're going to get a flashback episode of Ellie showing what happened in "Left Behind"?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Don't say one negative about the last of us tv show.....got it.

this is from someone who is loving the show and thought it had one bad episode....

...come into work today and every person agrees that it was at best a "filler" episode and no where near as good as the others....

I didn't even say my opinion, I just said what did you guys think....

Responses...

"bad"
"filler"
"not as good as the last one at all"

Keep up the fight peeps.

 

[crunchyBiscuits]

Episode 4 is the episode that made me believe Ellie is Ellie. It felt a bit light on the story details, but I liked that they focused on the Joel/Ellie relationship.

The gun fight was missing the shove a dude's throat onto a shard of glass from the game though. That would've been sick

 

[V1LÆM]

Don't say one negative about the last of us tv show.....got it.

You lot are insufferable, and this is from someone who is loving the show and thought it had one bad episode....

...come into work today and every person agrees that it was at best a "filler" episode and no where near as good as the others....

I didn't even say my opinion, I just said what did you guys think....

Responses...

"bad"
"filler"
"not as good as the last one at all"

Keep up the fight peeps.

What are you talking about ? lol

I'm enjoying the show a lot more than I expected to. It's great but I thought this episode was a bit slow and definitely "Not as good as the last one at all". It's by no means filler because it's setting up some things and showing that the bond between Joel and Ellie is growing.

If we're insufferable then don't come here? Are not allowed opinions?

 

[DenchDeckard]

What are you talking about ? lol

I'm enjoying the show a lot more than I expected to. It's great but I thought this episode was a bit slow and definitely "Not as good as the last one at all". It's by no means filler because it's setting up some things and showing that the bond between Joel and Ellie is growing.

If we're insufferable then don't come here? Are not allowed opinions?

You are completely right. I didn't mean you lot! that was an error, theres like two posters that are responding and trying to go on some high and mighty, you dont get it you havent looked deep type posts and thats just a bit wack imo.

Ive watched hardcore films for years and look between the lines on a lot of stuff, and this episode just didnt do it for me. Liked the jokes between Ellie and Joel but the rest just didnt land for me.

Apologies for the "you lot" comment.

 

[Big Baller]

Im starting to really dislike Bella

 

[V1LÆM]

You are completely right. I didn't mean you lot! that was an error, theres like two posters that are responding and trying to go on some high and mighty, you dont get it you havent looked deep type posts and thats just a bit wack imo.

Ive watched hardcore films for years and look between the lines on a lot of stuff, and this episode just didnt do it for me. Liked the jokes between Ellie and Joel but the rest just didnt land for me.

Apologies for the "you lot" comment.

Lol fair enough. You'll get people like that best just ignore them. and no need to apologise

 

[V1LÆM]

Im starting to really dislike Bella

Why?

I think she's doing a fantastic job of playing Ellie. Yeah, she doesn't look like the game Ellie but so what?

 

[Big Baller]

Why?

I think she's doing a fantastic job of playing Ellie. Yeah, she doesn't look like the game Ellie but so what?

Its her emotional range and facial expressions thats bugging me.

 

[yurinka]

Great job and great news. Let's hope it helps to increase game and console sales, and also helps make better future game to tv/cinema adaptations.

 

[AV]

That's the whole genre now. It's explicitly about logistics and logical planning for survival. They literally even sell books about logically planning for it.

It's only the "whole genre" insofar as, again, stuff like The Walking Dead which has mass appeal to the sort of people who haven't been watching/reading/playing zombie media for decades and seen that stuff a thousand times over. Warm Bodies? Life After Beth? The Girl With All The Gifts? Pontypool? Colin? There's tons of zombie stuff that doesn't rely on the blueprint Romero laid out in 1986. The logistical planning for survival stuff is absolutely banal in 2023 because it's been done for almost four decades - not a thing to celebrate.

Seriously, here's a description of Night of the Living Dead: a group of strangers band together and shack up in a single location, to fend off the living dead and concoct strategies to survive and get to safety. Ultimately, their undoing is human greed, selfishness and arrogance. Doesn't it sound like I just described about 100,000 different movies?

 

[Punished Miku]

It's only the "whole genre" insofar as, again, stuff like The Walking Dead which has mass appeal to the sort of people who haven't been watching/reading/playing zombie media for decades and seen that stuff a thousand times over. Warm Bodies? Life After Beth? The Girl With All The Gifts? Pontypool? Colin? There's tons of zombie stuff that doesn't rely on the blueprint Romero laid out in 1986. The logistical planning for survival stuff is absolutely banal in 2023 because it's been done for almost four decades - not a thing to celebrate.

Seriously, here's a description of Night of the Living Dead: a group of strangers band together and shack up in a single location, to fend off the living dead and concoct strategies to survive and get to safety. Ultimately, their undoing is human greed, selfishness and arrogance. Doesn't it sound like I just described about 100,000 different movies?

That's fine. Sure there are zombie comedies, and zombie whatever. I concede, there's some variety in zombie shows. But it's ultimately irrelevant to the point discussed.

TLOU is 100% going for gritty realism exactly like TWD. It's just not very believable sometimes. No one here is going to argue that TLOU is made up of characters that aren't supposed to be logical, pragmatic and realistic. They literally had an extended prepping scene in episode 3 for Bill. It's not a campy slasher film series.

 

[AV]

TLOU is 100% going for gritty realism exactly like TWD. It's just not very believable sometimes. No one here is going to argue that TLOU is made up of characters that aren't supposed to be logical, pragmatic and realistic. They literally had an extended prepping scene in episode 3 for Bill. It's not a slasher film series.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on TWD because the idea that it's "gritty realism" is just silly to me. It's based on a comic book with cartoony heroes and villains including eyepatch man, baseball bat man, katana lady leading two zombies around on leashes, and now I believe people who dress up using zombie skin? Don't get me wrong, TLOU2 devolves into this territory (and frankly as a story it sucks), but in terms of television, episode 3 of TLOU felt more human than most of what I watched of TWD. The worst finger people have pointed in this thread is that of a matriarchal figure in a group. She doesn't need a gimmick to be a character, she's just a human woman. Bill in the games is way more of a goofy character but here, they very intentionally drop the prepper stuff early on when he meets his partner and from then on it's mostly just a human love story. The shtick is sidelined in front of the viewer's eyes, where TWD leans so heavily into it, because it's a glorified soap opera.

But again, agree to disagree, I won't change your mind if you think TWD is good. Season 1 was nice though.

 

[Punished Miku]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on TWD because the idea that it's "gritty realism" is just silly to me. It's based on a comic book with cartoony heroes and villains including eyepatch man, baseball bat man, katana lady leading two zombies around on leashes, and now I believe people who dress up using zombie skin? Don't get me wrong, TLOU2 devolves into this territory (and frankly as a story it sucks), but in terms of television, episode 3 of TLOU felt more human than most of what I watched of TWD. The worst finger people have pointed in this thread is that of a matriarchal figure in a group. She doesn't need a gimmick to be a character, she's just a human woman. Bill in the games is way more of a goofy character but here, they very intentionally drop the prepper stuff early on when he meets his partner and from then on it's mostly just a human love story. The shtick is sidelined in front of the viewer's eyes, where TWD leans so heavily into it, because it's a glorified soap opera.

But again, agree to disagree, I won't change your mind if you think TWD is good. Season 1 was nice though.

TWD later seasons have obvious issues. Some episodes are filler also since they're like 20 episodes long per season. But the casting is insanely great, basically introduced multiple unknowns that were all amazing actors. The quality of the acting is not even comparable. Shane, Rick, they are just far better right now than anyone on TLOU. Even small side characters like Morgan are great actors, or Darryl, Meryl. The action scenes, also far, far better. Rick alone has a dozen memorable brutal moments. I don't really even see how it's debatable, but I guess agree to disagree is the best path. Just put them up side by side. TLOU definitely has better set design and cinematography though. TWD can look pretty cheap and lower budget at times in comparison.

 

[DelireMan7]

Best episode so far for me. Finally on Joel, Ellie and their journey and relation. Also felt more like the game (I know "it should not be like the game" but I watch it because I liked the game so...)

I am not a fan of the flashback pre infection that explain the origins of it. I like when some stuff remains a bit a mystery and anyway the infection is just a context for Joel and Ellie story, which is the main focus for me.

I don't get the "filler" critics. For me episode 3 was a long filler. It was not bad but skip it and nothing change for me (no the letter at the end is irrelevant for me. The journey with Ellie will didacte Joel's decision at the end, not this letter).

Overall the show is a good adaptation (made for TV audience) but not entirely to my liking.

 

[AV]

TWD later seasons have obvious issues. Some episodes are filler also since they're like 20 episodes long per season. But the casting is insanely great, basically introduced multiple unknowns that were all amazing actors. The quality of the acting is not even comparable. Shane, Rick, they are just far better right now than anyone on TLOU. Even small side characters like Morgan are great actors, or Darryl, Meryl. The action scenes, also far, far better. Rick alone has a dozen memorable brutal moments. I don't really even see how it's debatable, but I guess agree to disagree is the best path. Just put them up side by side. TLOU definitely has better set design and cinematography though. TWD can look pretty cheap and lower budget at times in comparison.

Last thing I would say is that you've seen 178 hours (no joke) of The Walking Dead compared to like, 4 hours of TLOU. 2.2% of the total available running time of TWD, we've not nearly had enough time to see Joel have "a dozen memorable brutal moments". At the moment both main characters are in their gruff, stone-faced, try-not-to-show-emotion phase of the story but we both know what's coming down the line!

 

[Punished Miku]

Last thing I would say is that you've seen 178 hours (no joke) of The Walking Dead compared to like, 4 hours of TLOU. 2.2% of the total available running time of TWD, we've not nearly had enough time to see Joel have "a dozen memorable brutal moments". At the moment both main characters are in their gruff, stone-faced, try-not-to-show-emotion phase of the story but we both know what's coming down the line!

That's true. I have criticisms of TLOU but it's still good enough to watch. I hope it gets better and I grow to like the characters.

Not to be a broken record, but TWD's best season is the 1st one. It crushes it right out of the gate. They're different shows, and they're not going to be identical. But so far the only one I thought was good was episode 3. They're all watchable, and it looks visually well done, but I'm waiting for it to really go somewhere in terms of characters, or story, or action.

 

[shaddam]

I thought it will be a drop after ep 3, but i am happy to be surprised. Hopfefully the god of war tv series will be similar in quality

 

[a multicultural team of v]

But how many of the 7.5 million views are in bundles??????

 

[sendit]

Denchdeckard and his wife the whole time the show is running and then calling it bad

 

[DeepEnigma]

But how many of the 7.5 million views are in bundles??????

 

[mckmas8808]

Druckmann keeps defeating his haters and in record fashion...

They must be so angry right now. Tried to destroy the show after a single episode, comes back stronger...

100% facts! What was that saying......."go woke, go broke". So.............about that?...