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[rofif]

I told ChiefDada in the Next Gen Graphics thread that ND would not be taking advantage of the PS5 SSD and IO to remove those ladder sections but poor guy was still hopeful.

yep. I was hoping for a real remake... not only graphics remake. Such shame.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Joel's base animations aren't of any lower quality than base Ellie running animation

The diversity of animations may be less but the transitions seem just as good as tlou2

 

[SlimySnake]

I mean abby fight with the grace of a drunk rugby player, not sure how hard would be to translate her animations into a tank like joel..

lol you are probably right but the Joel mod footage I saw was using Ellie's animations and it did not look great lol.



Abby's should look better but she still moves like a girl. She turns into Terminator during takedowns though.

Joel's base animations aren't of any lower quality than base Ellie running animation

The diversity of animations may be less but the transitions seem just as good as tlou2

Nah, see the mod footage above. The animations look way better in TLOU2 when transposed over Ellie's animations.

 

[tommib]

Stop this you assholes. I have money and I have low control, and I want to wait for a sale.

 

[GymWolf]

I love the last of us but that is preposterous.

He actually moved his head in to the brick. If the guy had just stood still he'd be fine. The combat is so good in these games but it's highly unrealistic obviously. Still amazing but it's so funny people saying it's "grounded" etc. it is in a way, but it's also highly ridiculous at times.

It is still more grounded than most tps except maybe max payne 3 and rdr2.

Onestly that is a non-problem to me, sometimes you have to automatize some animations to make the gameplay flow.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

It is still more grounded than most tps except maybe max payne 3 and rdr2.

Onestly that is a non-problem to me, sometimes you have to automatize some animations to make the gameplay flow.

Oh it is 100% some of the reload animations, and when you run out of bullets and enemies know etc. it is very grounded but at the end of the day the same as uncharted you're just plowing down a literal army of humans.

 

[GymWolf]

lol you are probably right but the Joel mod footage I saw was using Ellie's animations and it did not look great lol.



Abby's should look better but she still moves like a girl. She turns into Terminator during takedowns though.



Nah, see the mod footage above. The animations look way better in TLOU2.

Nah dude, his takedowns etc. Are more men-like than girl-like, she use pure strenght, not even technique, so more relatable to how big men fights.

Ellie moves more like a frail but aggressive girl.

 

[Fess]

Not true at all

 

[Pedro Motta]

I mean, it's not for me, at least for now, but amazing for the first timers to play it like this. Cool beans.

 

[GymWolf]

Oh it is 100% some of the reload animations, and when you run out of bullets and enemies know etc. it is very grounded but at the end of the day the same as uncharted you're just plowing down a literal army of humans.

Oh yeah, not realistic in that sense, sure.

But the weight of movements, how slow and tactical the flow is, how punchier the melee is...i think unchy is way more lighter and arcadey feeling wise.

 

[blastprocessor]

It does look great.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

 

[Bartski]

What ND seems to have done here from dev quotes is that they have improved the transitions between the animations but the animations themselves have been borrowed from TLOU1 instead of TLOU2.

No, that's completely false. No dev from ND ever implied anything of this sort.

Every dev speaking out on the subject, including the animation director, said they had to re-animate everything. Some of those tweets are posted in this thread.

Are they all lying?

The fact it does end up looking similar is a different story, I will be watching those comparison videos I'm sure there will be plenty.

 

[Slothbeingg]

I dont know. I am not seeing any of the new player animations from Part 2. Abby's punching animations and takedown animations are fucking sick, and there is something new you see every time. I saw all of these animations in part 1.

The ND dev says Joel's locomotion was recaptured but the way he walks, runs and especially crouches is still identical to what he does in the PS3. You guys need to go play TLOU2 again to see how much more fluid Abby feels when shes doing those things.

This video's second half shows just how incredible her punches and takedowns flow between her running and crouching animations. Im just not seeing that here.



The orange hue dusk setting in Pittsburgh and Bills Town is simply off. Game looks much better and on par with TLOU2 in other lighting conditions. See the ellie gif above.

TLOU2 shines in overcast conditions during Seattle Day 2 and Day 3 of Ellie's campaigns and Day 3 of Abby's campaign. Even the start of Day 1 with Ellie has a way better midday lighting that they shouldve picked for Bill's Town and Pittsburgh levels.

I'm agree. Still don't understand why they trying so hard to replicated PS3 version mood and color choices. I think it work better with old version because of the stylize art style back then.

But in the remake version they make everything much more realistic so the old mood is just not working anymore.

I think that's why it looks worse than Tlou part 2 if you watch some of those leak videos with low quality even though we know the model and texture of remake version is much better.

I'm sure a lot of area the game will looks amazing but not in this demo area.

 

[Flabagast]

TLOU part 2 looks way more impressive imho.

Not worth the full price at all

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Yep, looks like TLoU running on a PS5. Bought OG on PS3, and the PS4 remaster. Not even entertaining this. For the rest of you, enjoy!

 

[Markio128]

So many technical experts all in one place; we are truly blessed on Gaf.

 

[ChoosableOne]

Waste of time for Naughty Dog and for most of us who played first game(or it's remastered version). I hope they didn't work too hard on this and they make new and better games thanks to the generous people who will pay full price for this.

 

[SlimySnake]

No, that's completely false. No dev from ND ever implied anything of this sort.

Every dev speaking out on the subject, including the animation director, said they had to re-animate everything. Some of those tweets are posted in this thread.

Are they all lying?

The fact it does end up looking similar is a different story, I will be watching those comparison videos I'm sure there will be plenty.

The tweet you yourself quoted says they updated his 'locomotions' aka movements but kept the main forward/reverse animations the same. There is ZERO mention of porting TLOU2's takedown animations, punching and melee animations, and there is zero evidence of it in the videos. The transitions between the old animations is whats been improved.

 

[Sosokrates]

New players are in for treat, but the only desire I have to buy this is to just admire the visuals. The actual gameplay looks pretty much identical to the remaster, you can really see the PS3 era animation and general way the game plays.

Much would of preferred somthing new.

 

[Markio128]

New players are in for treat, but the only desire I have to buy this is to just admire the visuals. The actual gameplay looks pretty much identical to the remaster, you can really see the PS3 era animation and general way the game plays.

Much would of preferred somthing new.

I think we all would have preferred something new, but at least a remake of a classic is better than bugger all.

 

[MDSLKTR]

There's just so much crouching animation Joel can do...
Y'all expect him to be like this or what

 

[TheGodfather07]

When you know the story already and have completed the games multiple times, it's hard to be motivated to play again. Also, wasn't it actually sony Bend that did most of the work on this remake? You can tell.

 

[Sosokrates]

I think we all would have preferred something new, but at least a remake of a classic is better than bugger all.

I dont know about that, not having to do the remake would mean that we get there next project quicker.

Im hyped for there MP project.

 

[Bartski]

The tweet you yourself quoted says they updated his 'locomotions' aka movements but kept the main forward/reverse animations the same. There is ZERO mention of porting TLOU2's takedown animations, punching and melee animations, and there is zero evidence of it in the videos. The transitions between the old animations is whats been improved.

Why should there be "mention of porting of TLOU2 animations" literally no one is claiming there were any.

 

[Alebrije]

They should have put Abby at the final chapter hidding on a spot...

 

[Markio128]

I dont know about that, not having to do the remake would mean that we get there next project quicker.

Im hyped for there MP project.

Possibly, but I'm sure ND have been working on their new IP in tandem. I'm not too excited about the multiplayer game, though I do think it will be decent, just not for me. But I am ready to be blown away by whatever their new IP is.

 

[Slothbeingg]

Can anyone with high-tech eyes let me know is there ray tracing in this demo? The reflection looks really good to me but i know nothing about this.

 

[SlimySnake]

Why should there be "mention of porting of TLOU2 animations" literally no one is claiming there were any.

We were having a discussion about whether or not the TLOU2 animations were in this game. Good to see you agree that there arent. You are with me on this.

 

[John Wick]

This is the definitive edition of TLOU. If you've never played it then it's a no brainer. It wasn't needed as the PS4 version was good enough. This has no MP mode yet is $70. That is completely unacceptable. $40 is more than enough. Why waste ND on this is my question?

 

[Markio128]

Can anyone with high-tech eyes let me know is there ray tracing in this demo? The reflection looks really good to me but i know nothing about this.

I very much doubt it; the devs would have shouted this from the rooftops otherwise.

 

[Sosokrates]

Possibly, but I'm sure ND have been working on their new IP in tandem. I'm not too excited about the multiplayer game, though I do think it will be decent, just not for me. But I am ready to be blown away by whatever their new IP is.

Yes, that occurred to me too, but the people who worked on the remake still could of been used for a different project instead. Im sure ND have already started there next project beyond there MP.

 

[GymWolf]

A guy on ree was banned for 2 weeks for saying this:

There's a huge upgrade with cut scenes, but the gameplay looks tweaked combined with a new coat of paint, I think it's embarrassing to compare this to new games like God of War Ragnarok, the price they're asking for is embarrassing. This isn't worth it, even if you haven't played it, £70 is absurd. I don't even think it compares to the regular 'built from the ground up' PS5 games like they're trying to market it, who are they trying to kid.



Always praise the evilord that we have a forum like gaf.

 

[remember_spinal]

When you know the story already and have completed the games multiple times, it's hard to be motivated to play again. Also, wasn't it actually sony Bend that did most of the work on this remake? You can tell.

Bend had nothing to do with this game, they were assisting on Factions and a new Uncharted, they cancelled uncharted and pulled them off factions due to their new IP starting production.

This was a sony VASG project, the visual effects studio that worked on uncharted 1-4 and TLOU 1 and 2, until Naughty Dog fully took over

 

[Sosokrates]

This is the definitive edition of TLOU. If you've never played it then it's a no brainer. It wasn't needed as the PS4 version was good enough. This has no MP mode yet is $70. That is completely unacceptable. $40 is more than enough. Why waste ND on this is my question?

The rumours that this started at the sony arts division but ND took over because it was mess, does not seem to far fetched.

Then again maybe sony always wanted a new version to release along side the TV show, which is still not really the best decision. They should of made a 5hr TLOU2 spin off which really does show off the PS5.

 

[Ulysses 31]

A guy on ree was banned for 2 weeks for saying this:

There's a huge upgrade with cut scenes, but the gameplay looks tweaked combined with a new coat of paint, I think it's embarrassing to compare this to new games like God of War Ragnarok, the price they're asking for is embarrassing. This isn't worth it, even if you haven't played it, £70 is absurd. I don't even think it compares to the regular 'built from the ground up' PS5 games like they're trying to market it, who are they trying to kid.



Always praise the evilord that we have a forum like gaf.

But what was the ban message? Naughty Dog blaspheme?

 

[Sosokrates]

This just popped up in my feed and Ive been watching it for the last 15mins, Im tempted to boot up TLOU remastered which I already own lol.

 

[GymWolf]

But what was the ban message? Naughty Dog blaspheme?

User Banned (2 Weeks): Trolling and Platform Wars; History of Similar Trolling and Platform Wars Infractions

on the other hand another guy on reee made this pretty good joke

Also Joel looks like he shit his pants when he crouch-walks but that's just funny. Should've had Ellie hold her nose everytime you hit the crouch button.

 

[Slothbeingg]

I very much doubt it; the devs would have shouted this from the rooftops otherwise.

Yeah seem like it. It's okay if there's no ray tracing though. The reflection in room before Bloater is really good.

I wish they show other area like sniper area. It looks much better from the recent gif.

And fighting Infected is boring. I mean they said upgraded AI, what AI does Infected have other than charging at Joel lol. They should show the combat with human enemy.

 

[Markio128]

Yeah seem like it. It's okay if there's no ray tracing though. The reflection in room before Bloater is really good.

I wish they show other area like sniper area. It looks much better from the recent gif.

And fighting Infected is boring. I mean they said upgraded AI, what AI does Infected have other than charging at Joel lol. They should show the combat with human enemy.

There is some footage out their of Joel fighting humans and it looks pretty decent as far as I can tell. The contrast between battling the infected and the humans is what makes the game so good, in my opinion.

 

[GustavoLT]

meanwhile...

PC Version Development Team

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah seem like it. It's okay if there's no ray tracing though. The reflection in room before Bloater is really good.

I wish they show other area like sniper area. It looks much better from the recent gif.

And fighting Infected is boring. I mean they said upgraded AI, what AI does Infected have other than charging at Joel lol. They should show the combat with human enemy.

fighting infected is just the "scary and tense" parts of the game and to break monotony, the combat always shined against humans.

But it only work on grounded because at any other difficulty mode you usually have enough ammo to blast everything unless you work for polygon, so the tension goes out of the balcony.

 

[TVexperto]

User Banned (2 Weeks): Trolling and Platform Wars; History of Similar Trolling and Platform Wars Infractions

on the other hand another guy on reee made this pretty good joke

Also Joel looks like he shit his pants when he crouch-walks but that's just funny. Should've had Ellie hold her nose everytime you hit the crouch button.

how do they still attract users when you cant even voice your opinion in a videogame forum without getting banned?

 

[tommib]

how do they still attract users when you cant even voice your opinion in a videogame forum without getting banned?

First, I don't know why we're posting posts from Era here.
Second, we also don't know the background. It seems like it's a repeat offender. Like Riky.

 

[Slothbeingg]

fighting infected is just the "scary and tense" parts of the game and to break monotony, the combat always shined against humans.

But it only work on grounded because at any other difficulty mode you usually have enough ammo to blast everything unless you work for polygon, so the tension goes out of the balcony.

Not sure if this bug will be fixed in the remake but if you hold and aim anything (brick ,bottle, gun) while crouch walk you can move at the slowest speed and infected can't hear you. Make the grounded level not that hard anymore.

I hope they fixed this.

 

[GymWolf]

Not sure if this bug will be fixed in the remake but if you hold and aim anything (brick ,bottle, gun) while crouch walk you can move at the slowest speed and infected can't hear you. Make the grounded level not that hard anymore.

I hope they fixed this.

I just slightly push the stick for the super slow walk that clickers can't hear most of the times.

 

[GymWolf]

First, I don't know why we're posting posts from Era here.
Second, we also don't know the background. It seems like it's a repeat offender. Like Riky.

They banned a guy who said something even tamer, so i doubt it's a riky situation.

But that opinion should not even earn a warning let alone a 2 weeks ban.

 

[Slothbeingg]

I just slightly push the stick for the super slow walk that clickers can't hear most of the times.

Yeah but if you did like the trick i said you can move the stick strong as much as you want . No more sweating hand lol.
Of course it'll break the " scary and tense" parts. I just hope they fixed it in this version.

 

[ChiefDada]

New 1hr gameplay from the guy who leaked earlier from reddit. Unfortunately, HDR hasn't kicked in yet so colors are muted.

Can anyone with high-tech eyes let me know is there ray tracing in this demo? The reflection looks really good to me but i know nothing about this.

Reflections look much better than TLOU2 even but there are definitely tell rale signs of SSR being used based on recent videos. Really no excuse for ND to not utilize RT hardware. Easy win that was squandered imo.

 

[SlimySnake]

Can anyone with high-tech eyes let me know is there ray tracing in this demo? The reflection looks really good to me but i know nothing about this.

Reflections in TLOU2 look stunning. You dont need ray tracing to do good reflections when artists can bake them in. They arent very accurate, but In open world games like Spiderman where the artist cant go in and individually adjust thousands of puddles, ray tracing becomes almost neccessary. That was what puddle gate was about. Insomniac devs created reflections just for the demo but in the final game you simply cant have artists bake in reflections for an entire world full of thousands of puddles.

TLOU2 has only a few areas with ponds and reflective surfaces so ND artists used high screenspace reflections to create some incredible reflections.