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The Last of Us: Remastered |OT| Game of the Years

MaximusPayne

MaximusPayne

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For all the story debaters in here, you can't deny that
the Fireflies were complete dicks to Joel after finding out he brought her all that way when he didn't have to. The most satisfying cut scene to me was Joel being escorted out by the firefly soldier and passing his gear. "Where's the operating room. Bang!"
 
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Futurevoid

Member
MaximusPayne said:
For all the story debaters in here, you can't deny that
the Fireflies were complete dicks to Joel after finding out he brought her all that way when he didn't have to. The most satisfying cut scene to me was Joel being escorted out by the firefly soldier and passing his gear. "Where's the operating room. Bang!"
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Well, they were
set to kill Joel without Marlene's intervention once they had gotten ahold of Ellie. In one of her recordings she mentions that she convinces them to release Joel unharmed as he may be the only man that can fathom the weight of the decision she has to make in regards to Ellie.

...boy was she wrong.:)
 
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TRios Zen

Member
MaximusPayne said:
For all the story debaters in here, you can't deny that
the Fireflies were complete dicks to Joel after finding out he brought her all that way when he didn't have to. The most satisfying cut scene to me was Joel being escorted out by the firefly soldier and passing his gear. "Where's the operating room. Bang!"
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Between that scene and the
operating room
, I killed every last one of them. It was satisfying.
 
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Dreez

Member
I just played this game like 10 times trying to get all the trophies and I've realized at the end of winter
Joel verbalizes/internalizes that he fully commits to Ellie, which sets up why he reacts in such a way at the end. It truly is a pivotal moment.
 
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FantasticMrFoxdie

Mumber
Dreez said:
I just played this game like 10 times trying to get all the trophies and I've realized at the end of winter
Joel verbalizes/internalizes that he fully commits to Ellie, which sets up why he reacts in such a way at the end. It truly is a pivotal moment.
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I found a conversation I missed in my last 3 playthroughs that made me Daww and LOL

*conversation spoiler*
*looking at skinny model on billboard*
Ellie: That girl is so skinny... I thought you had plenty of food in your time.
Joel: We did. Some just chose not to eat it.
Ellie: Why the hell not?
Joel: For looks.
Ellie: Pffft, that's stupid.
 
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Rixxan

Member
Something I don't see brought up very often with the conversation surrounding the end of the game:

No one seems to mention that optional dialogue you have shortly after arriving in Pittsburgh, walking down the street Ellie sees a skeleton in a car, Joel explains that they cant let everyone in - referring to the Quarantine Zones, and the exact sentence comes up, "Sacrifice the few to save the many." and Ellie literally responds, "That's stupid."

Again that's not like a bulletproof argument for Joels decision at the end, because that's still relatively early in their journey together and there are admittedly many other factors, but I find it odd that no one ever mentions it considering it relates somewhat to the ideology of those final moments in the hospital."
 
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Futurevoid

Member
Another easy conversation piece to miss for the trophy is...

At the dam. When Tommy is taking you to the turbines at the top of the dam as he's giving you the tour, there is a lady near the front holding a rifle. Talk to her to trigger a little exchange between her and Joel. I missed that one even after three playthroughs.:)
 
Handy Fake

Handy Fake

Member
Just an observation...

You obviously don't have to kill all of the doctors at the end. But I wonder how many of you were like me, piling through that level at full pelt, running to the room and almost in a rage seeing her on the gurney. I didn't even think twice about killing every last one. It was only afterwards that you start to question yourself, but you realise you were feeling what Joel was at the time.

Quite a masterful conclusion to the game really. Very well realised.
 
MaximusPayne

MaximusPayne

Member
Rixxan said:
Something I don't see brought up very often with the conversation surrounding the end of the game:

No one seems to mention that optional dialogue you have shortly after arriving in Pittsburgh, walking down the street Ellie sees a skeleton in a car, Joel explains that they cant let everyone in - referring to the Quarantine Zones, and the exact sentence comes up, "Sacrifice the few to save the many." and Ellie literally responds, "That's stupid."

Again that's not like a bulletproof argument for Joels decision at the end, because that's still relatively early in their journey together and there are admittedly many other factors, but I find it odd that no one ever mentions it considering it relates somewhat to the ideology of those final moments in the hospital."
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Wow...now that you bring it up. Yeah, she totally says that.
 
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Futurevoid

Member
Rixxan said:
Something I don't see brought up very often with the conversation surrounding the end of the game:

No one seems to mention that optional dialogue you have shortly after arriving in Pittsburgh, walking down the street Ellie sees a skeleton in a car, Joel explains that they cant let everyone in - referring to the Quarantine Zones, and the exact sentence comes up, "Sacrifice the few to save the many." and Ellie literally responds, "That's stupid."

Again that's not like a bulletproof argument for Joels decision at the end, because that's still relatively early in their journey together and there are admittedly many other factors, but I find it odd that no one ever mentions it considering it relates somewhat to the ideology of those final moments in the hospital."
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Right but if it can be argued that Ellie has somewhat made her
wishes known in the conversation right after the giraffe scene. "It can't be for nothing". I think that scene is at the core of many peoples belief that Ellie would have sacrificed herself to save humanity despite her commentary earlier. She also hadn't experienced David by that point either. That encounter was rather significant for Ellie. Not in that it necessarily informed her world view of sacrificing the few for the many but it certainly gets you thinking about what would go on in her head if she was ASKED to allow the surgery or not.
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
Futurevoid said:
Another easy conversation piece to miss for the trophy is...

At the dam. When Tommy is taking you to the turbines at the top of the dam as he's giving you the tour, there is a lady near the front holding a rifle. Talk to her to trigger a little exchange between her and Joel. I missed that one ever after three playthroughs.:)
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I wonder if she's the lady that Tommy is trying to get Joel to marry in the epilogue scene from One Night Live.
 
Handy Fake

Handy Fake

Member
Futurevoid said:
Right but it can be argued that Ellie has somewhat made her
wishes known in the conversation right after the giraffe scene. "It has to mean something". I think that scene is at the core of many peoples belief that Ellie would have sacrificed herself to save humanity.
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Ellie epitomises hope.
Joel epitomises grim reality.
 
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Rixxan

Member
End spoilers:

I would also just like to say that these conversations taking place a year later, regarding the ending of the last of us, and all these moral/human decisions - these conversations are a crowning testament to the game

I had several different text exchanges with grown ass men, 30+ years of age career and/or family minded and successful, about the ending and the various interpretations and meanings - intense discussions over a video game - first time its ever happened in my 25+ years of gaming

I know that might not mean much to some, but i think it says something about the significance of the title
 
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Llyrwenne

Unconfirmed Member
TRios Zen said:
"You don't understand" or "were not fully engaged in the story" sounds pretty personal to me!

HAHA, just kidding man, we are on the internet, no big deal.

I'd be interested to read your analysis, though you sound a little more vested in the experience than I am. This is my first time playing it, I'll do the DLC tonight, and then I'll move to a different game. I enjoyed my time with TLOU, even with what I think are it's short-comings and it's unlikely that you'll convince me 100% that you are "right" and I am "wrong". IT's just the way the game impacted us personally, nothing more or less.

For the record, I think you could just as easily say that having them both live, was the cop-out. But why color anything as negative in someone else's opinion?
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Did you read the edit yet or were you already posting as I edited?

Seeing as you'll move on to something different pretty much tonight, I don't think I'll be writing what I had intended as a reply to you ( I'll probably still post an analysis, but not specifically in reply to you ). I am not interested in telling you that you are wrong or that I am right, I just want to clear up some misconceptions you and others seem to have regarding the story. Projecting these misconceptions onto The Last of Us as if they are shortcomings of the game and story itself is, in my opinion, a flawed perspective. If you think the story doesn't work, if the ending didn't impact you personally or if you think that the game as a whole has flaws, that's fine, but I just think some of these opinions / remarks / statements are based in misconceptions on what The Last of Us is or should be, what it intends to do and how it is set up. That's what I want to clear up, but if you are content to just move on after finishing the game, I'm not stopping you.
 
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Goretrail

Member
Just finished the game, and I really feel like this game was ruined for me by all the hype. All of the chatter from people talking about this game like it is the greatest thing since sliced ham had me expecting something that, I guess, in the end was unrealistic. Instead all I got was a really solid game. And that is fine, just super disappointing after what I let myself get built up to expect.

The ending is especially baffling to me after all the "Zomg! That ending!" comments I kept seeing. I did not need Joel or Elle to die or anything, but SOMETHING would have been nice, instead It just felt like a shart. Like they suddenly realized that they were running a little long on the playtime and were like "Oh shit! We need to end this thing!" Complete lack of any epicness to the final battle was very deflating as well.

I feel like the biggest thing this game had going for it tho is the art, holy shit is this one gorgeous apocalypse. I wish all post apocolyptic games would take a hint from this game that the environment does not have to be drab and monotone. I think that is one of the main reasons I have a hard time enjoying myself in Fallouts world.
 
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kubus

Member
Futurevoid said:
Another easy conversation piece to miss for the trophy is...

At the dam. When Tommy is taking you to the turbines at the top of the dam as he's giving you the tour, there is a lady near the front holding a rifle. Talk to her to trigger a little exchange between her and Joel. I missed that one ever after three playthroughs.:)
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Yeah, I got the trophy today after talking to her. I had no idea there was an optional conversation there until I looked up a guide.

Thought it was an odd conversation. Seemed a bit random as there's nothing surrounding her that indicates you can interact with her. I guess that makes it so easy to miss.
 
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Futurevoid

Member
daveo42 said:
I hit that one for the first time during my current playthough. Instantly though that was the case.
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Same!

Goretrail said:
The ending is especially baffling to me after all the "Zomg! That ending!" comments I kept seeing. I did not need Joel or Elle to die or anything, but SOMETHING would have been nice.

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Look at the last two pages. You did get SOMETHING. Let it sink in a little bit or even better, replay the game without the expectations you had going in. It still may not click for you (and that's fine) but just as you sit in amazement at the comments about the ending, I'm amazed you actually got NOTHING out of it.
 
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ShogunDarius

Member
currently at that one fight I fear most in Chapter 9.


Do you know whats best starting a first playthrough on grounded? the fact you know there's another grounded playthrough afterwards :p
 
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chippy13

Member
Futurevoid said:
Same!


Look at the last two pages. You did get SOMETHING. Let it sink in a little bit or even better, replay the game without the expectations you had going in. It still may not click for you (and that's fine) but just as you sit in amazement at the comments about the ending, I'm amazed you actually got NOTHING out of it.
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This.
 
Xenon

Xenon

Member
RoboPlato said:
The Boston area is the weakest part of the game by a significant margin. It picks up significantly after that.
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KevinG said:
There are still game mechanics that need to be introduced. Is recommend sticking it out a but longer. The game only gets better and never drags. The intensity ramps up, and though it's exhausting to play, the experience is worth it.
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BloodMoney said:
You need to keep at it, you are basically still going through the tutorial phase of the game.
Make it out of Boston..... You'll see.
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I figured as much, that first hour is a chore. Hopefully I'll have some time to play it tonight.
 
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Rixxan

Member
Futurevoid said:
Right but if it can be argued that Ellie has somewhat made her
wishes known in the conversation right after the giraffe scene. "It can't be for nothing". I think that scene is at the core of many peoples belief that Ellie would have sacrificed herself to save humanity despite her commentary earlier. She also hadn't experienced David by that point either. That encounter was rather significant for Ellie. Not in that it necessarily informed her world view of sacrificing the few for the many but it certainly gets you thinking about what would go on in her head if she was ASKED to allow the surgery or not.
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Yep, I totally understand that perspective as well - but i'm firmly in the camp who understood/accepted what Joel did to the fullest extent. There is also a more delicate conversation about how old she is and her decision being made through the eyes of an idealistic child vs. what the fireflies would actually do with the vaccine - but thats getting to deeper shit that could be argued forever (another testament to how great the story / game is). The ending is superb no matter how you look at it.
 
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FantasticMrFoxdie

Mumber
Goretrail said:
Just finished the game, and I really feel like this game was ruined for me by all the hype. All of the chatter from people talking about this game like it is the greatest thing since sliced ham had me expecting something that, I guess, in the end was unrealistic. Instead all I got was a really solid game. And that is fine, just super disappointing after what I let myself get built up to expect.

The ending is especially baffling to me after all the "Zomg! That ending!" comments I kept seeing. I did not need Joel or Elle to die or anything, but SOMETHING would have been nice, instead It just felt like a shart. Like they suddenly realized that they were running a little long on the playtime and were like "Oh shit! We need to end this thing!" Complete lack of any epicness to the final battle was very deflating as well.

I feel like the biggest thing this game had going for it tho is the art, holy shit is this one gorgeous apocalypse. I wish all post apocolyptic games would take a hint from this game that the environment does not have to be drab and monotone. I think that is one of the main reasons I have a hard time enjoying myself in Fallouts world.
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Bummer that you got too hyped for it. The something thats missing from the ending is
your interpretation of it. The ZOMG ending is that its in itself sort of anticlimactic. Its a slowburn ending. Check out the many analysis in the last few pages alone. Theres hundreds and hundreds of pages on gaf discussing and analyzing it.
 
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TRios Zen

Member
Tiemen said:
Did you read the edit yet or were you already posting as I edited?

Seeing as you'll move on to something different pretty much tonight, I don't think I'll be writing what I had intended as a reply to you ( I'll probably still post an analysis, but not specifically in reply to you ). I am not interested in telling you that you are wrong or that I am right, I just want to clear up some misconceptions you and others seem to have regarding the story. Projecting these misconceptions onto The Last of Us as if they are shortcomings of the game and story itself is, in my opinion, a flawed perspective. If you think the story doesn't work, if the ending didn't impact you personally or if you think that the game as a whole has flaws, that's fine, but I just think some of these opinions / remarks / statements are based in misconceptions on what The Last of Us is or should be, what it intends to do and how it is set up. That's what I want to clear up, but if you are content to just move on after finishing the game, I'm not stopping you.
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I didn't see you had edited your last post sorry.

I don't know what misconceptions I or anyone could have with the story, but I'm totally willing to entertain that I may have missed something, some factual piece of evidence that proves my understanding is flawed. But lacking that, from what I DID take of the story, I simply think possible alternatives would have been better.

There were a number of scenes in this game where I felt connected to these characters. The power of what they had experienced was palpable. The ending for me, was NOT one of them and that was an unfortunate denouement to another wise stellar experience.
 
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bobby2times

Member
Any tips on Ish's hideout on grounded? I have 2 molotovs, 1 nail bomb, and a handful of ammo. It doesnt seem to be enough to take out all the stalkers/clickers and I dont see how I can stealth through it.
 
milkham

milkham

Member
bobby2times said:
Any tips on Ish's hideout on grounded? I have 2 molotovs, 1 nail bomb, and a handful of ammo. It doesnt seem to be enough to take out all the runners/clickers and I dont see how I can stealth through it.
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i just did this yesterday, run into the small room on the left they will all come for you, run back out the way you came and then book it for the the ladder, i ended up going through the far right hallway, i got to the ladder sent sam up had to turn around and shoot one stalker, and then i climbed up
 
MaximusPayne

MaximusPayne

Member
bobby2times said:
Any tips on Ish's hideout on grounded? I have 2 molotovs, 1 nail bomb, and a handful of ammo. It doesnt seem to be enough to take out all the stalkers/clickers and I dont see how I can stealth through it.
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I noticed the thing that got me through Grounded mode on LEFT BEHIND was bottles and bricks...stunning them and knifing and then running. Rinse & Repeat.

Although it might be rough at Ish's hideout. But what else you gonna do with no ammo or weapons. #TeamBrick
 
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kubus

Member
bobby2times said:
Any tips on Ish's hideout on grounded? I have 2 molotovs, 1 nail bomb, and a handful of ammo. It doesnt seem to be enough to take out all the stalkers/clickers and I dont see how I can stealth through it.
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I just stay put in that area you start and have them come running at me one by one. One good shot from the shotgun or shorty kills them. Or, you could try to run for the exit like the other poster suggested.
 
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funkypie

Banned
is it impossible to get all collectables and shiv doors on first play through? I've missed 2 shiv doors so far because of lack of supplies, i'm playing on survivor.

also some conversations and jokes seem bugged and wouldn't appear.
 
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SolidChamp

Banned
Goretrail said:
The ending is especially baffling to me after all the "Zomg! That ending!" comments I kept seeing. I did not need Joel or Elle to die or anything, but SOMETHING would have been nice, instead It just felt like a shart. Like they suddenly realized that they were running a little long on the playtime and were like "Oh shit! We need to end this thing!" Complete lack of any epicness to the final battle was very deflating as well.
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SolidChamp

Banned
funkypie said:
is it impossible to get all collectables and shiv doors on first play through? I've missed 2 shiv doors so far because of lack of supplies, i'm playing on survivor.

also some conversations and jokes seem bugged and wouldn't appear.
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Not sure about Survivor, but it's not impossible to get everything in one go. I just did it on Normal (but beat the game on Hard on PS3).
 
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SirMossyBloke

Member
Wow. Stealthed by way through the
Ellie protecting you with a rifle
part for the first time ever. Game starts buzzing then locks up.

FML.

Edit: whole ps4 locks up actually. Wow.
Edit 2: now its in safe mode. Damn.
Edit 3: restarted the whole encounter and now no ones moving so I can't stealth anyone. Jesus Naughty Dog.
 
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GravyButt

Member
milkham said:
hmm thats interesting, i was trying to do exactly what this guy did but whenever i dropped out of that small room the stationary stalker directly across from where i come out notices me every time. thats when i decided to draw them all out into the larger area and then run for it.
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I laid a few nail bomb traps down, drew them all to me and finished up the scraps from afar unnoticed with the bow. Minus the one that glitched out by the wall. That one ate a pipe.
 
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StuBurns

Banned
Goretrail said:
The ending is especially baffling to me after all the "Zomg! That ending!" comments I kept seeing. I did not need Joel or Elle to die or anything, but SOMETHING would have been nice, instead It just felt like a shart. Like they suddenly realized that they were running a little long on the playtime and were like "Oh shit! We need to end this thing!" Complete lack of any epicness to the final battle was very deflating as well.
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Joel got a daughter and Ellie got a father, how much more could you possibly expect?
 
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owlbeak

Member
bobby2times said:
Any tips on Ish's hideout on grounded? I have 2 molotovs, 1 nail bomb, and a handful of ammo. It doesnt seem to be enough to take out all the stalkers/clickers and I dont see how I can stealth through it.
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Run. You can run through the whole thing right to the ladder. That's how I did it after many failed attempts.
 
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Futurevoid

Member
funkypie said:
is it impossible to get all collectables and shiv doors on first play through? I've missed 2 shiv doors so far because of lack of supplies, i'm playing on survivor.

also some conversations and jokes seem bugged and wouldn't appear.
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I's possible to get it all done in one playthrough. The two shiv doors you might have missed:

There are two in Bill's town. The first is right before you prop Ellie over the locked gate as soon you are entering the town. Hard to miss. The second, however is much easier to miss. Once you get to the far end of town and go past the music store, a clicker will run into the first of Bills' traps. When you pass the trap and head right there's door to your right on a small set of steps. That's a shiv door.

The other possibility is in the underground tunnel. Right after Ellie gets attacked by the clicker and unlocks the gate for you, when you go through the door don't head left to the next ladder puzzle. Go right and there's a door right behind some debris.

All artifacts are attainable. An easy one to miss:

Make sure to go into Ellie's backpack and check out all of her artifacts. They count:). One of her artifacts is a note from her mom. Make sure you flip it around! It has two sides and if you don't read both sides the game doesn't count it.

Another easy one to miss:

Once you get out of the high school and find Bills partner. Go to the room and get his partners note. Give the note to Bill. He will crumple it up and throw it on the floor. PICK IT UP AGAIN! It counts as two!

I haven't run into any glitched conversations at all so I don't know what you mean in that regard.
 
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lukeskymac

Member
TRios Zen said:
I didn't see you had edited your last post sorry.

I don't know what misconceptions I or anyone could have with the story, but I'm totally willing to entertain that I may have missed something, some factual piece of evidence that proves my understanding is flawed. But lacking that, from what I DID take of the story, I simply think possible alternatives would have been better.
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See people, this is why we can't have nuanced storytelling.
 
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