The Legend of Zelda : Majora's Mask 3D to introduce "Feather Statues" (for saves)
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Coffee Dog
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While being more reasonably balanced, that would defeat the point.
The problem was that casual players didn't want to be restricted by the save system. Further restrictions to that save system would still alienate casual players. You would still have people that get mad because they can't play the game for five minute intervals because they'd blow through all their consumables.
I also wonder how many people save scum. And if they do, what difference does it make to those of us who don't?
The quote doesn't explicitly mention permanent saves yet the anytime part is still questionable considering you apparently need to be where the new and old statues are. A real anytime save would be accessed from the menu and not require save points.
Although you could use the song of soaring to save anytime when on the over world at owl statues. Maybe the feather statues are the equivalents to the owls inside the dungeon.
Anyway, best solution for handhelds would have been to allow suspend save anywhere.
Although you could use the song of soaring to save anytime when on the over world at owl statues. Maybe the feather statues are the equivalents to the owls inside the dungeon.
Anyway, best solution for handhelds would have been to allow suspend save anywhere.
Sure is. There was plenty of discussion about the save system in many other threads and it's lengthy and sparks debate so I'm not going to discuss it here.
GayForMaster
Banned
DISGUSTING. THEY REALLY ARE making this more accessible holy shit.
m_shortpants
Member
I never found the save system to be troublesome.
The slow down time song solved those issues. If anything just make that more prominent because IIRC you only learn about it from a scarecrow.
The slow down time song solved those issues. If anything just make that more prominent because IIRC you only learn about it from a scarecrow.
TheMoon
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Of course, that's what every rational person here has pointed out.
Yes we do. Play Song of Time, save at the first statue you find, done. You got the old system back.
For all we know, the feather saves might still be temporary since they're lumped in with the owl statues in the listing. Or they are right next to the owl statues and you can now ONLY save at the feather ones meaning you still have to warp to one of the statues.
Honestly, with people saying that the Song of Time doesn't save anymore, there may be more changes to the overall functionality of the game. It's hard to say at this point, but we may be looking at a different Majora's Mask altogether.
Is this true?
The 3 day cycle is still there, as its time limit, so there are still consequences to saving anywhere because you'll still be operating within those constraints. If you prefer to use the Song of Time and then save manually immediately thereafter, you will likely be able to do so if this new system works as we're surmising. Therefore, nothing will be ruined for you, and the game will be more accessible to others. No harm in that as far as I can tell.
We don't know yet, but: see above. You should still be able to play the game in the same way. As for a different MM altogether, it seems like any changes will probably be relatively minor in the scheme of things. The people of the world of Termina, the three day cycle, the dungeons, the masks: all of those will certainly still be in the game.
K
kittens
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Oooh, I like this.
We have no idea. It's literally been pulled out of the air to fit people's little tantrums.
Okay. That would be weird.
Using various game mechanics that interact together to create tension is part of why mm is good. The time system and save system work in a fair way together to build tension and thats totally valid. Comparing it to shitty controls is ridiculous.
Yea, we really have no idea until we get a Direct that goes over the changes. I expect more changes to be under the hood, nothing drastic but I've been surprised before.
They said they added fishing, right? In some ways, that's a big change.
If the song of time no longer saves the game as speculated (just checked the direct for myself, and yeah no save prompt), then that changes things up. I'd like to play through the game in the original way, but I'm not going to play through the entire game only using quick saves.
In the originals when you played the Song of Time you got a box asking "Save and Return to the Dawn of the First Day?"
That text box has been changed to "Return to the Dawn of the First Day?"
Linkstrikesback
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Sir Ilpalazzo
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Bill Rizer
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What if this "feathers" are simply "portable owls", no different in function, just for the convenience of saving wherenever you need to suspend your game in a short time, added for portability's sake?
Edit: Has been already said, my bad
Edit: Has been already said, my bad
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I only just noticed that earlier in the thread, he said he doesn't want punishment in his games. By that logic you may as well make Link invincible and let him phase through walls and doors at will; there's no point in limiting the player, after all.
SerTapTap
Member
I assume you can just ignore these statues (maybe even turn 'em off via a Hero Mode thing?), not really the same as Ink Ribbons which fundamentally changed the game. RE with checkpoints plays insanely different. Majora's Mask with permanent saves doesn't change too much other than letting people savescum which is rather unnecessary if you even slightly know what you're doing and could actually be more annoying than Song of Time if you save and attempt a dungeon too late in the cycle.
Yep, they did say that. At the very least I expect as some have speculated that fishing will play into
a reworked Gyorg boss fight.
Again, none of us are going to savescum on the regular, I'm guessing. Who cares if some find ways to do so? It doesn't affect any of us.
ShyGuy0504
Member
This doesn't bother me.
I never even used the owl statues for anything other than warping anyway.
I never even used the owl statues for anything other than warping anyway.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Unless it's clearly marked as a cheat, like the super guide stuff in recent Mario games, it actually does affect everyone. Why would you not want to make use of everything offered to you? The game designers put those options in the game, and the player has to assume they knew what they were doing when they made it, so why should the player have to hurt their experience by making their own rules for the game - by simultaneously and unpleasantly having to play both game designer and player?
royox
Member
No. I know myself and I can't -.-
I understand what you're saying, but it's the actual save scumming people are concerned about, right, not the hard saving? Because hard saving was already available in MM. You hard save the game when you return to the Dawn of the First Day. The only difference here is when you go to an Feather Statue and hard save. Yes, you can reload continually and save scum, but if people feel the need to do this, I don't see the harm in it. Again, I don't expect most big Zelda fans will do so. So you'll make use of the Feather Statue--whose inclusion makes perfect sense b/c Nintendo's portable game design philosophy has always been to allow you to save as often as can make sense to do so--but you'll still be constrained by the Three Day Cycle.
Felix Andrews
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Could this be some sort of weird misunderstanding? The owl statues didn't exist in the original Japanese release of the game, and to be honest the new mechanic doesn't sound drastically different.
Why are people calling this save scumming?
Save scumming would be adding a quicksave/quickload feature where you can save at anytime anywhere you want and continue from that exact position. If these work the way the save statues worked in Skyward Sword and ALBW, that means nothing has really changed all that much. You still have to deal with the time limit, you just don't have to go through as much tedious, annoying shit like you did with the original save system if you accidentally screw up.
They're effectively just checkpoints which will most likely be pretty far apart from each other if they're like ALBW's.
Save scumming would be adding a quicksave/quickload feature where you can save at anytime anywhere you want and continue from that exact position. If these work the way the save statues worked in Skyward Sword and ALBW, that means nothing has really changed all that much. You still have to deal with the time limit, you just don't have to go through as much tedious, annoying shit like you did with the original save system if you accidentally screw up.
They're effectively just checkpoints which will most likely be pretty far apart from each other if they're like ALBW's.
Yes, exactly! This is what I've been trying to say. Thank you!
TheMoon
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Actually, I suspect that will soon be a thing of "old Zelda". The save bugs TP and even SS had likely have pushed them to wanting a few, easily tested save points. At best I can see them looking at Skyrim and adopting a more WRPG-style save anywhere system, where you actually reload from wherever you saved.
EDIT: Also pretty much every Zelda from LttP to Spirit Tracks had that save system, albeit refining it to specific areas later on and Majora's Mask being... Majora's Mask.
Resident Evil uses fixed camera angles. Tank controls are required to effectively navigate such environments.
If you would just sit there and learn how the game wants you to play you would enjoy it, do you really think that the developers sat there after testing and were like "Gee these controls really suck, 3rd party action games sure are rare and difficult to develop for ho boy if only there were some other contol method to use!" No.
They made a design decision to make the game the way it is, if you won't even try to wrap your head around it then don't play it.
Honestly this attitude is the most stiffling of them all, as if deveopers shouldn't deviate from the stock standard mechanics 10 billion other games have used because soft headed gamuurrrs can't push left instead of forward without collapsing into a fit of autism.
Twilightzoney
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Like I've said before I'm find with this new save system just give me the original save with going back in time to make me not forget things. Since I like the idea that you have to accomplish something in that 3 days then go back and it saves. Not go back in time and go find a save spot. I usually like turning off the game once I finish going back in time.
http://nintendoeverything.com/zelda-majoras-mask-3d-revamps-the-bombers-notebook/
Looks like the Bomber Notebook will also change a bit.
Looks like the Bomber Notebook will also change a bit.
Feathers being an extension of the owl statue makes sense.
Wreck-It Ralph
Member
Holy shit, you people really are deathly afraid of any and all change, aren't you? Can't even wait to see what this shit is all about before declaring the game COMPLETELY RUINED.
zeldarocks
Neo Member
Personally, I see the "Feather Statues" as being suspend-saves maybe inside dungeons. With the "Owl Statues" being used as perma-save within the overworld.
Crossing Eden
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Why're people acting like this is some super hardcore game that is automatically ruined by an optional new mechanic. People play the game differently than you, big whoop. It's optional and evidently you can still play the game the old way.
zeldarocks
Neo Member
So are we talking using the bottom screen to navigate the notebook while the top screen is unobstructed?
Also, the quotes seem as if they have been pulled at random.
Is there more to the interview?
crap monkey
Member
Doesn't this heavily imply that the old save system is gone? Or at the very least the sense of pressure contained through the 3-day mechanic is gone?
Doctor Rover
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I like to assume that feather statues are a quicksave feature that deletes itself once resume while owl statues are upgraded to be copyable saving points.
Or these are just warpless owl statues to pad out the handheld battery life like everyone was saying.
It loses some that atmosphere if you have full control over your ability to time travel. I guess this new system is necessary for some people but I think it will be a lesser experience if you use it.
I expect this too. Perma save on owl statues, temp save whenever you want. Also at this point we need a classic mode with no save changes. But even then most people will say that no one should have the casual mode and everyone should play it as it was intended. Lol