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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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Hot Coldman
Banned
Piplup is in this game? Fucking SPOILERS dude
It's this shit that has had me absolutely frustrated with the Zelda franchise for the last decade. I'm fine with a 'helper' but only if they stay quiet until I choose to push the advice button. Not only is it robbing any purposeful satisfaction from the core design, but it is disruptive from any enjoyment momentum I may be having at that point.
How has the difficulty been? Quarter-heart bullshit back? It's hard to appreciate the game design and combat when failure is nary a concern.
Hmm... all these mixed impressions are making me excited to try it out myself.
I wonder why some people are saying the controls work perfectly and others are saying they don't? Is there a fundamental difference in the way people are using them? They're obviously not intuitive, but I wonder why there's just a dramatic difference in success?
I wonder why some people are saying the controls work perfectly and others are saying they don't? Is there a fundamental difference in the way people are using them? They're obviously not intuitive, but I wonder why there's just a dramatic difference in success?
difficulty is much better than in tp. no more quarter-heart bs, no. it might to a certain degree be because of the spotty motion controls, but not exclusively. it is definitely a harder game than tp overall. i died quite a few times when i had only myself to blame. i never once died in tp.
Same for the portrait of another character,
Batreaux
You can destroy all kinds of props with rolling and with [dungeon 3 spoiler]
the Gust Bellows
Probably the
4th
third dungeon is the Lanayru Mining Facility, and everything before that is quite awesome (because of the timeshift mechanic). The part before the fourth, instead, is a lot weaker (and I didn't like the short backtrack to the first dungeon).
Most enemies do a whopping full heart damage.
Yeah, we're obviously talking about the same thing. It's annoying because I think it would have been one of the hardest puzzles so far in the game. I generally enjoyed the game up to the fourth dungeon but I've been finding the dungeons rather too easy. Dungeon 4, for example, really just felt like pulling levers along a straight line to me. Dungeon 5 is the first dungeon where I feel like the developers really forced the player to engage with their surroundings. The subsequent puzzles after Fi spoiling it have been very good, but it's almost criminal that they ruined the initial introduction of the mechanic in such a way.
That aside, I've loved almost everything about the game post-dungeon 4. The first time I really felt the 10s could be justified. There was some godawful busywork between 3 and 4 though. My god...you need this...no this...no this...actually go get this instead.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Knight's Academy, Cawlin and Stritch's room at night.
The only thing I've seen that does quarter-heart damage has been minor environmental hazards... Tiny insects and such.
Thanks dude, any insect I'd better not get rid of?
One small problem I have with the dungeons is that all of them are quite linear. Not so much in the CORRIDORZ sense but rather in that there's only one way to progress through them. There's never more than one or two small keys (which also means they have mostly stopped the "kill all enemies->item appears", so YMMV) and for the most part other than the right path everything else is closed. Ultimately it's not such a big deal, but that little illusion of freedom made some classic dungeons seem more... daunting, if you will, than they really were.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I haven't used the potion infusing stuff, so I can't tell you if anything is worth saving for that, but all insects can be sold. You only get to sell 4 types of insect a night though.
Hmmm, I can't point out what exactly you're talking about in dungeon 5. To be more precise, I can't think of anything Fi spoiled more significantly than anywhere else (sadly).
The fact
you have to aim through the openings on the roof with your bow to hit the timeshift stones
No problems here, mine turned on..just like any of the other 3 controllers I have (regular white, Tron, blue)
There are multiple factors:
- Many things in the game require your to "point and click", but the game doesn't use the IR, but motions. So the first thing in the minds of many is that, for those moments to point at the screen (raise their arm a little) and move the wiimote; when in reality there's no need to "point" just move you wrist/remote.
- Sword-play requires slower/more direct motions to slash properly. In specific directions too (up, down, left, right, diagonals, reverse); but the moment you start doing faster motions (or just waggle) tit can be really random.
- To use the beetle and your bird, all you need is to move your wrist, but the first reaction of many is to point at the screen and move it to the sides.
- For the "balancing stuff", all you have to do is move Link with the analog stick, move the remote (pointing up) left or right slowly to maintain balance; but the first reaction of many is to do it like Mario Galaxy and grab it and move it in circles and fast (like to gain speed).
As with nearly all Zelda games; there's a big/hidden YMMW (your mileage may vary) subtitle in it. Some may have not problem with the "quirks" in this game like: the motions, character development, exploration, combat...but others will.
AmirOx and jarosh are more respected around here, so of course their opinions (which in general still liked the game) will affect more (and disappoint many); than a..fernoca or someone else.
Exactly that
The game stops and she tells about it while the game pans showing you the solution.06nbarnhill
Member
Ok at this point all i can really say is I REALLY miss Midna.
I would take .5 off the final score just for that.
I would take .5 off the final score just for that.
i think that works well for the dungeons. i liked that. they can keep the confusion to a minimum that way and focus on really clever and more elaborate individual puzzles. i think this is better design than having dozens of locked doors and keys in increasingly remote or arbitrary locations. of course, this streamlining WOULD be perfect in theory, if it wasn't for the frequent hints that give away (parts of) the solutions, thereby nearly pushing it into too-linear and simplistic territory again :/
Randam_Hajile
Member
Don't know how other people are playing, but I've noticed that the sword mechanics work extremely well when using full-motion sword swings, as if you were really swinging a sword. Using subtle flicks and wiimote waggles seems to give an inaccurate response and just doesn't feel right. That said, I'm not a fan of motion gaming, but I'm really enjoying the combat more and more as I progress.
Oh, I see. Thanks.Exactly that
I guess at that point I was already desensitized about her (or the gravestones) outright telling you what to do.
I respect you.AmirOx and jarosh are more respected around here, so of course their opinions (which in general still liked the game) will affect more (and disappoint many); than a..fernoca or someone else.
and it doesn't just SHOW you the object. no, fi appears and tells you not only to USE that thing in a specific way but also "hints" at the only possible item you could use it WITH. sighExactly that
Cerebral Assassin
Member
brandonh83
Banned
Just got out of the first dungeon, and am definitely liking it more than the others so far since Ocarina or ALTTP. The environments have been amazing; that place
was just incredibly beautiful. Fighting Ghirahim was a shitload of fun too. The first dungeon wasn't anything special, but it was... pretty. I enjoyed it enough, especially as a first dungeon.
right after you fight Ghirahim, the Skyward Spring or whatever
Chet Rippo
Member
No, there's these little stone slabs that have a hint written on them.
Very nice to hear.
Fi still sounds disastrous though. I mean goddamn at what some of you are saying about her. Nintendo truly does seem to be cannibalizing their own creation.
No, just plain stones with inscriptions lying around. You would expect such inscriptions to be riddles with hints to the solution, but no. More often than not they are straight-up telling you what you need to do.
The infuriating part is that the game is otherwise pretty great, so it sticks out even more.
Got my special edition from amazon today and played a bit this evening.
Played around two hours and finished the tutorial quest and ran around the town. But I really really like this game so far. All my doubts about the game after the demo are blown away. Sword combat feels so much better and controlling the bird also.
I did had to adjust to the fact that you dont point the cursor. But once adjusted it felt good.
Minor issue though is the speed of the text and while you can speed it up it still is too slow IMO. Also love the bazaar. Can't wait to play some more tomorrow.
Played around two hours and finished the tutorial quest and ran around the town. But I really really like this game so far. All my doubts about the game after the demo are blown away. Sword combat feels so much better and controlling the bird also.
I did had to adjust to the fact that you dont point the cursor. But once adjusted it felt good.
Minor issue though is the speed of the text and while you can speed it up it still is too slow IMO. Also love the bazaar. Can't wait to play some more tomorrow.
It can get annoying, but if you want to enjoy the game more I recommend mashing A until she stops talking. Nintendo assumes we're stupid, yet the tutorial for the brand new controls is optional. Ha.
Slurpy2k20
Member
For me, the game took off @ the 3rd dungeon. Everything suddenly clicked in that dungeon, and started to feel like Zelda again. Then, everything just went uphill. Just didn't jive too much with me before that.
My only real disappointment with this game is that it doesn't seem to have fishing. it wasn't in Wind Waker either, but I really love to just chill out and fish for a while in TP and OoT.
I've already said it but other than that I have had no problems. Dialog doesn't bother me, intro got me attached to all the NPCs, Motion controls work great, not worried about the game giving to much information because you pretty much have to ask for it to get it.
The level of scrutiny that Zelda games get around here is truly amazing.
I've already said it but other than that I have had no problems. Dialog doesn't bother me, intro got me attached to all the NPCs, Motion controls work great, not worried about the game giving to much information because you pretty much have to ask for it to get it.
The level of scrutiny that Zelda games get around here is truly amazing.
Absolutely, if there's one thing that SS proves is that the "room-by-room" approach can work really well, especially when a team this creative is behind it, but I believe that making, say, OoT's Forest Temple the ceiling of layout complexity could be a good thing. But as you say, if the next Zelda follows Skyward's formula while allowing you to play entirely on your own, that's great too!
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Ah, I think there was one of them in the 1st dungeon
talking about the switches, I think
Hot Coldman
Banned
Oh Christ, I just realised... I'm in the first dungeon with multiple layers. The fuck...
Slurpy2k20
Member
It led to your death only once? You shouldn't complain then. 100% of my deaths have been because of inaccurate interpretations of my motion intentions. Especially the bomb rolling. FUUUUUCCCK.
They are rewriting all the rules. First three dungeons don't even follow the green, red, blue pattern anymore! It's a brave new world.
Chet Rippo
Member
There is something about the graveyard at night though.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Through the second dungeon
Almost the exact inverse of the first. Fantastic visual design, mediocre boss fight. I mean, are we ever going to come up with a boss for the "fire dungeon" that doesn't involve "feed him bombs"?
Slurpy2k20
Member
Rest assured the 2nd dungeon is 2X better than the 1st, and the 3rd is 10X better than both of them combined.
And when it comes to dungeons and maps, the main thing (which surprised me..well, so far. Don't know if later that changes): there's no!!compass
I've only beaten the first and am right in front of the second, but it doesn't seem necessary considering the map fills in everything once you get it.
I love
feeding the enemies bombs. Every enemy should be fed bombs.
I won't say a word about it changing or not... but I liked this.And when it comes to dungeons and maps, the main thing (which surprised me..well, so far. Don't know if later that changes): there's no!!compass
She's my least favourite sidekick in any of the 3D games. Not only does she give a lot of puzzles away, but her dialogue has no wit or character. I get that she's meant to be mechanical but it makes for a very dull companion, and all this quoting of percentages got tiresome fast for me.
But even worse, she constantly repeats stuff you've just been told. It's like:
NPC - You need to go get item x. It's over there, by landmark y.
Camera pans to landmark. Then immediately after Fi pops up
Fi - It looks like you need to get item x. I detect that there is a 95% chance that it is located by landmark y and there will be some monsters blah blah blah.
I only need telling once Nintendo!
It's also annoying when she pops up to tell you you're low on health. I know I'm low on health. Not only because I have eyes, but because I'm listening to the same obnoxious beeping you hear in every modern Zelda. I don't need Fi to pop-up and tell me to find some health. It's so incredibly patronising. They should just flat-out ask you at the beginning of the game if you've ever played a Zelda game before so people have the opportunity to avoid these constant intrusions.
brandonh83
Banned
Sounds good. I'm hearing a lot of good things about the dungeons getting better, I'm just hoping that later on they don't start to "lose it" a bit.