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I can't wait for Critical Drinkers review
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Saber
Member
Is LoR supposed to be family friendly?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Six months ago: "Amazon's LOTR will be filled with Game of Thrones style nudity and violence going against Tolkien!"
Now: "Amazon's LOTR lacks the nudity and violence we come to expect from a show like Game of Thrones!"
JCK75
Member
Like WTF is going on? are people being paid to write these glowing reviews, is it just activism? or do they just not want to lose their early access to these things?
I think so?
There is SO MUCH mixed messaging about this show. Comparisons to GoT obviously bring up gore and boobs. I recall early comments that RoP would have nudity. Obviously there would be fighting but I'd be happy with LOTR style bloodless (or at least artfully done spray) combat. Wheel of Time had nudity, thouygh it wasn't particualrly titillating. Even Halo style side-boob and da' buttocks is probably ok for an older kid show, I don't know that anything LOTR would really work for the pre-teen crowd. The D+ comparison to bland inoffensive ho-humness is probably pretty apt, I'm ok with a tone about at the level of Mando or Hawkeye. JUST MAKE IT FUN AND INTERESTING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! The most common criticism I make these days is that shows are over-indulgent plodding messes of slow paced plot with endless scenes of characters mouthing nothing words to each other and looking like it's 3 separate films cut together.
or could it be their opinion .. just a thought.
FunkMiller
Member
Sigh. Entirely unsurprised. Saddened. But not surprised.
Welcome to the factory production line Mr Tolkien.
FunkMiller
Member
Although Empire likes it, which is a good sign.
Hari Seldon
Member
Rolling Stone review is positive: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-mov...d-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-1234579403/
I am not sure why I am even reading reviews other than I'm bored. I'm 100% going to watch this lmao.
I am not sure why I am even reading reviews other than I'm bored. I'm 100% going to watch this lmao.
Hari Seldon
Member
People who want nudity in LOTR have opinions that are irrelevant.
JCK75
Member
After some of the movies and shows over the last few years where we see these glowing reviews up front, then they turn out to be completely unwatchable dogshit with a user review that is lower than my shoe size.. maybe they should have opinions in a career that better suits them.
PaddyOCanager
Member
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Ah, but also the same man who directed The Impossible and A Monster Calls.
I'd agree with you on the surface but I'd say that up till now, LOTR also had VERY limited female/male interaction, aka romance. Keeping it focused on the almost all male Hobbit/Fellowship easily lends itself to a non-nudity environment. But if you start having lots of females with romance sub-plots and (presumably) sex, then in an adult themed show some nudity is kinda expected. Nothing feels more ridiculous (to me) than a show 100% aimed at adults, with themes and plots only adults would care about, a level of violence only adults should be exposed to, that then gets coy and garbs the women in burlap sacks during sex and puts them into sexual/nude situations but DOESN'T deliver. S2 of The Witcher was a good example of this. We are adults. an unclothed adult body is normal. This weird American puritan prudeness resurrected now on the left isn't helping.
RoP probably treats romance at about a 5th grade level, the political plotting is probably around the same. Sounds like the violence fluctuates a bit though.
Good point
strange headache
Banned
The LOTR cinematic universe awaits us I'm afraid.
In their endeavor to engage the broadest audience possible, they ended up with a bland and soulless product.
From the review:
If you try to appeal to everybody, you only end up appealing to nobody.
Oberstein
Member
Honestly, I don't necessarily see the connection. The companies that made and distributed LoTR and Hobbit were also huge and are also part of the industrial era... but that term is so vague. Because Amazon is even more gigantic? Ok and ? The series should be banned because of that? I'm fine with the series being criticized for good reasons, but this is ridiculous.
Well, now, good or bad, I'm tired of the reviews. It's time for everyone to see this show, to make up their own minds. If it sucks, I'll have no mercy, but if it's far from being the disaster announced on Youtube, then there are people who will have to answer for it...
Cyberpunkd
Member
Yes? It’s high fantasy, not ‘let me show you my dick’ fantasy.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
What sort of rubbish is this? Jackson made a sci-fi alien movie before, do tell how that legacy reflects in LotR.
He did a great job, point. No need to make it bigger than it was.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Saber
Member
Why most of you weirdos thinks that not being family friends equals to nudity, what in my post ever talked about this? I was talking about dark elements, people getting killed, blood, gore, etc.
Also post above talking as if fantasy is limited to not having mature content lol, it can have both.
Unless I watched a different film called LoR.
Also post above talking as if fantasy is limited to not having mature content lol, it can have both.
Unless I watched a different film called LoR.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Except for the extended edition of Five Armies, all six Jackson movies are PG-13. This show is TV-14, which is the equivalent of PG-13.
PaddyOCanager
Member
Wow. I never knew that was rated "R" holy shit my mind is blown.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
When I watched it with my roommate, he was like "I don't remember this movie being so bad ass."
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I hated it in theatres, but EE was maybe my favorite in the trilogy. Kinda bizarre turn of events.
Hari Seldon
Member
Somehow you screwed up your quotes because I didn't ask that haha. It should definitely be family friendly* and I will be pissed if it is not.
* Family friendly aka TV-14 or PG-13 but not MA or R.
GnomeChimpsky
Member
But how could they fail when they had the writers from Star Trek Beyond!?
PaddyOCanager
Member
Is this real? I never even gave the EE of that trilogy a chance nor heard anyone praise it.
HoodWinked
Member
Interesting that negative review came from WaPo of all places considering Bezos' ownership. Too bad that kind of journalistic integrity isn't present in the rest of the publication where it actually matters and not just a pointless streaming show.
It has a troll with weapons for arms and legs, ridden by goblins. It's straight out of warhammer.
It's also... Fun?
RAÏSanÏa
Member
The idea of a worldly fall and separation from a place of bliss as a compass for ideals, Valinor in Tolkien's mythology, doesn't seem capable of telling the modern stories of a 21st century educated audience whose advancing understanding of the world is contrary to that assumption. Not that this diminishes the original work, it's still enjoyable for fantastic set pieces and valuable for the way it collected a history of ancient beliefs formulated around the idea of a fall and return.
FunkMiller
Member
Given that one of Tolkien's main driving themes is the destruction of nature and the bucolic world, in favour of industry and modernity, you have to wonder what he'd feel about his work being adapted to feed the insatiable demand for product, by a global corporation seeking to sell subscriptions to their shopping service.
Find me a fantasy film that feels and looks like LOTR before Jackson. He and his team PERFECTED that particular dreamy look paired with a very lived in world. It was his vision for the size shifting POV, a lot of the emotional beats, all of it. He wrote it, imagined it, directed it, CREATED it. Those films owe an enormous amount to him that so many try to imitate without understanding. This is the fear of RoP.
And there are things in there you can find from his earlier works. Kinda like a Raimi film, there are little cues that tip his hand.
Ulysses 31
Member
CHRISTOPHER STEVENS reviews The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power
This is a disaster dragon - plucked, spatchcocked, with a tankerload of Paxo stuffed up its fundament, roasted and served with soggy sprouts.
Oberstein
Member
RAÏSanÏa
Member
These are things that could be included in a fantasy epic that has a contrasting basis for the state of the world and character motivations. It would be interesting to see Tolkien represented as a character who is used to compare things like ecological and social issues from the standpoints of mythological divine righteousness against an understanding of the world from modern scientific method.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
A lot of people are rooting for this to fail so badly. I’m glad I have no expectations whatsoever. I hope it’s great, the more great shows the better. And if I think it sucks, I won’t care that much I’m not a hardcore fan of the books.
VN1X
Banned
Why do you think a lot of people are rooting for it to fail?
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Probably because they feel that if a super large budget show like this fails, the obsession with forcing a “diverse cast” for the sake of it will be less common in future shows, because a show as big as this failing will send a message to future creators.
VN1X
Banned
Okay so you haven't lived entirely under a rock.
Now with all this in mind you are still hoping the show will be good? You'll just give the pandering the side eye or do you just don't care that you're basically watching propaganda wrapped in entertainment lol.
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To be honest, there are folks that just want a giant Corp that sniffs out small business and treats employees like robot to get a black eye.
There are folks that want an adaptation that doesn't look like the books to get a black eye as a lesson to others.
There are folks that see the gargantuan spend on this and wonder how many creatives COULD have been funded for years with that money to see blockbuster shows get a black eye to foster more small budget stuff.
It isn't an alt-right racist conspiracy, it's just a coming together, a fellowship if you will, of disparate forces temporarily united whilst trying to throw a little ring into a fuming trash fire volcano
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
It’s entertainment, I really don’t give a shit about the production of it. All I care about is the quality of the product.
Spaceman292
Banned
I think he's right honestly. Smaug falls into the same category as the goblins or the spiders. He's just another obstacle to overcome and not the main point of the story.
The entire plot is about reclaiming the lonely mountain from Smaug. It’s a quest to defeat him. The same way LotR is a quest to defeat Sauron.
VN1X
Banned
Goebbels made some incredible films btw. Really well put together.
I mean obviously I'm going off on the extreme end but my God... Ignorance is bliss I suppose! But anyway you do you, I shall refrain from pissing on your parade any further.
FunkMiller
Member
Again… the entire reason Bilbo goes with Gandalf and the dwarves - the inciting incident for the whole book - is to kill Smaug and reclaim the lonely mountain. Smaug is not just some incidental enemy. He is the principal adversary of The Hobbit, and the single driving force of the main narrative.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I wonder what they think "the point" was