The Myth of Expensive PC Gaming

cryptic said:
Yeah, that's what worries me. I need this computer to last a while as it doubles as a family PC.

EDIT: Wasn't there some problems with the heatsink on the first releases of the 4850 that will be rectified with a new, improved batch? I remember reading this on some review site...


Not sure. Supposedly it's capable of running hotter than norm but I don't know anyone who really feels comfortable with their video card regular topping 90 degrees and sitting at 89 just at the desktop like mine was doing. The fan hack cuts that down to about 55 to 60 degrees at the cost of the fan noise. It's a very good video card for the price. I highly recommend it you have the power supply for it. My processer is a bit of bottleneck as I stuck it in some prebuilt HP machine I had around as I mainly use my laptop.
 
Esperado said:
For the second part. I was merely mirroring what it's like for an outsider looking in to the console compatibility thing and comparing it to you as an outsider of the computer parts compatibility thing. Once you jump that first hurdle everything is much easier.

So what you're saying is that for an outsider, it's actually difficult to distinguish between 360 and PS3 games and what will work for the 360 and the PS3?

And no, I am definitely not an "outsider" of the computer parts compatibility thing. I've built at least seven seperate PCs from scratch since 2000. But finding out whether your motherboard has something called "PCI Express x16" is FAR more complicated and difficult than finding out whether a PS3 game will work with your 360.
 
Esperado said:
For the second part. I was merely mirroring what it's like for an outsider looking in to the console compatibility thing and comparing it to you as an outsider of the computer parts compatibility thing. Once you jump that first hurdle everything is much easier.


It's really not though. It's always going to be a higher barrier of entry from getting it installed, to getting the drivers, to making the games work properly with it, etc.

I'm not saying it takes a genius to do it but compared to operating a console for a lot of people it does.
 
Esperado said:
Software compatibility issues. PC parts are standardized. You only have to look at a spec sheet for your motherboard to find out if a part doesn't work. Lots of parents probably have the problem of not knowing which games systems and software work, and the biggest hurdle is actually doing the 30 seconds of research to find out if something works or not.
That you think looking at a spec sheet for a mb is even remotely comparable to figuring out what console you have is just insane. Further, it misses part of his point (and which was made earlier) which is that old parts will horribly bottleneck new parts, so saying "stick in a $150 vidcard (after rebates which you may not get)" is meaningless, since a 4850 would be bottlenecked by a 2.5 year old processor unless you bought the absolute top of the line.

My current system was built right before HL2 came out, 3.5 years ago. Cost about a grand, uses a P4 and a 6600gt. EVERYTHING is out of date. New system being delivered next week: $1001 after tax+shipping, from a site that's comparable to Newegg, and the only "odd" bit is that I paid $80 to get it all put together/tested/OS installed. No monitor/speakers/other bits. I'm not getting super top of the line parts (e8400, 4850, 4 gigs DDR2 800), although they should last a while.

PC Gaming is much more affordable than it used to be but a lot of you really need to just flat out stop posting, because your arguments are outright retarded. Yeah, a $500 computer can whip the shit out of HL2. Big fucking whoop, a $100 Xbox can play HL2, the game is almost 4 years old. And yeah, PC gaming seems cheapish when your affordability comparison revolves around PC gamers being bargain hunters and console gamers being a bunch of retards who can't even use Amazon (or shop through the wide array of easily available used games at every store, something not exactly common for PC).
 
Esperado said:
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 @ 3.20GHz
EVGA nForce 790i SLI Intel DX48BT2
ATI Radeon HD 4850
Seagate 7200.9 120GB 8MB 7200RPM
4 x 1GB Corsair DDR3-1333 7-7-7-20
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1
PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 1200W

This system draws 227 watts at load. With the 4870 it draws 278.6 watts.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=22
So now we're back to wattage being important? Really? I know I didn't buy a 500w Earthwatts because I thought I actually needed 500w.
 
Building a PC from scratch isn't that easy. Sorry, it isn't. Its easy for a mechanic to fix a car, that speaks nothing of the difficulty of the discipline. From HDD master/slave jumpers, to CPU installation, to ensuring you have the right number of leads/pins from your PSU, building a PC takes time, effort and experience. Just because you can buy a whole heap of shit from newegg at discount prices, doesn't mean thats a feasable solution for everyone.

Not knowing how to build a computer doesn't make you a moron, it makes you the average person.
 
ElyrionX said:
So what you're saying is that for an outsider, it's actually difficult to distinguish between 360 and PS3 games and what will work for the 360 and the PS3?

And no, I am definitely not an "outsider" of the computer parts compatibility thing. I've built at least seven seperate PCs from scratch since 2000. But finding out whether your motherboard has something called "PCI Express x16" is FAR more complicated and difficult than finding out whether a PS3 game will work with your 360.

Aye, anyone ever find out the hard way even with the PCI Express x16 slot, that the 8800GT were incompatible with VIA chipset motherboards?

That was just dandy to find out!
 
All I want to point out is that, price is definitely not an issue with PC Gaming, the real issue is probably complexity (building a computer, upgrading it, driver & compatibility issues, DRM issues, maintenance issues), but as I've pointed out, you end up paying a significant premium for that reduced complexity (along with inevitably weaker experience)
I disagree, in MOST cases, the console experience really isn't (much) weaker at all. Not to mention, the premium you pay isn't that large as you say it is, you're doing some very favourable pricing on PC's here, and if you ONLY upgrade the video card later in the generation, your experience WILL be inferior to that on consoles. PC hardware just costs more than console hardware, it's that simple. And that effect becomes stronger if you're not super experienced with PC hardware.

But you're right PC gaming isn't super expensive or anything. It's just shit. It's the bullshit of having to set your router to work with every fucking new game that comes out, it's the bullshit of having to read for hours and hours if you want to make an informed purchase on your PC (instead of just looking at the games coming out for consoles), it's the bullshit of having to update drivers, it's the bullshit of having to optimize certain games with mods/settings tweaking because the developer couldn't be bothered to and the list goes on and on. That's a lot of complexity issues, and to me, they make the PC a fucking awful platform.
 
People don't have to know or actually do any of this themselves. They're already buying perfectly good HPs from a computer store, all they have to do is find someone at the store who knows what they're talking about to get them a video card (and possibly power supply) upgrade and then pay to have it installed, which isn't much.

On top of the PC you already need for other things it's maybe $200-300 for really excellent performance in games.
 
aeolist said:
People don't have to know or actually do any of this themselves. They're already buying perfectly good HPs from a computer store, all they have to do is find someone at the store who knows what they're talking about to get them a video card (and possibly power supply) upgrade and then pay to have it installed, which isn't much.

On top of the PC you already need for other things it's maybe $200-300 for really excellent performance in games.

The problem is computers become old in gaming long before computers become old in everything else. At some point if you want to continue gaming you'll be needing to invest back into your PC when otherwise it would be fine for applications, internet browsing, and whatever else.

So whilst I agree from the offset the difference between a gaming PC and a regular PC is small, that difference grows over time.
 
Web browsers on PCs shit all over web browsers on consoles.

- posted from PC

Kabouter said:
they make the PC a fucking awful platform.
Yet you play the shit out of it.

Incidentally what games do you need to change settings on your router for? I've no doubt you've played more recent PC games than me, so I'm genuinely curious.
 
It's late and I'm too exhausted to contribute anything meaningful to this thread, so I'll just say this.

ugh.

Really, don't mind me. Carry on.
 
The problem is that these "myths" seem to apply to the "expense of console gaming."

The typical gaming household of this generation will consist of someone with a Wii. They pay $250 for the system and then about $40-$50 per game.

For most folks, $250 and a "$10 premium per game" far outways the $250+ they save on the computer.

Yes, extra controllers would be expensive, but hey, they aren't free for computers -and- I'll bet they'll find fewer multiplayer experiences on the computer (discounting online).

If the other systems had a more reasonable ($200-$250) price, this would be the case across the board. The case is harder to make against the 360 and PS3, especially at launch.

(This is all discounting http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332255, of course)
 
TheHeretic said:
The problem is computers become old in gaming long before computers become old in everything else. At some point if you want to continue gaming you'll be needing to invest back into your PC when otherwise it would be fine for applications, internet browsing, and whatever else.

So whilst I agree from the offset the difference between a gaming PC and a regular PC is small, that difference grows over time.
I'm still using a CPU and motherboard that I bought 2 years ago, just keep upgrading the video card and I'm set. And I can tell you from working in PC repair that most people buy new PCs every 2-3 years, which is all they really need for gaming. These aren't the types that look for peak possible performance, they just want to be able to run the games, and that's pretty competitive with consoles price-wise.
 
aeolist said:
I'm still using a CPU and motherboard that I bought 2 years ago, just keep upgrading the video card and I'm set. And I can tell you from working in PC repair that most people buy new PCs every 2-3 years, which is all they really need for gaming. These aren't the types that look for peak possible performance, they just want to be able to run the games, and that's pretty competitive with consoles price-wise.

I don't know what sort of non-gamer buys a new PC every 2 years, which would be a completely redundant exercise.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Aye, anyone ever find out the hard way even with the PCI Express x16 slot, that the 8800GT were incompatible with VIA chipset motherboards?

That was just dandy to find out!

:lol

That's precisely what I'm talking about. These things are a huge pain in the ass when doing PC gaming.

Also, about a year ago, I built an awesome new rig for the girlfriend. Everything works great except for one thing. Everytime, she right clicks on a video or music file, the whole monitor goes blank for half a second. It's fucking annoying and I couldn't find out wtf was causing the issue despite some troubleshooting and posting on online forums. With something like that, I don't even know whether it's the video card or the mobo causng the issue and there's no feasible way to find out.

And replacing a specific spoilt component of your PC isn't that simple as well. Case in point, my own goddamn PC. I built this four years ago and it works great. The only issue I've ever faced was that the sound would occasionally go dead in the middle of a game. That wasn't an issue because it rarely occurred and all that was required was for me to exit and re-enter the game. But lately, this issue has been occurring very very frequently, making gaming a huge pain. But without doing any research, I'm pretty sure I can't find a replacement mobo because it's obsolete technology by now. That means my PC is essentially dead for gaming because of one of my components broke down and I can't replace it.
 
ElyrionX said:
Also, about a year ago, I built an awesome new rig for the girlfriend. Everything works great except for one thing. Everytime, she right clicks on a video or music file, the whole monitor goes blank for half a second. It's fucking annoying and I couldn't find out wtf was causing the issue despite some troubleshooting and posting on online forums. With something like that, I don't even know whether it's the video card or the mobo causng the issue and there's no feasible way to find out.

Take it to a PC store and get them to run diagnostics. Speaks nothing for the PC as a platform, but its what I would do. It would annoy the shit out of me as well.
 
Fredescu said:
Incidentally what games do you need to change settings on your router for? I've no doubt you've played more recent PC games than me, so I'm genuinely curious.

Ports forwarding settings to be able to host multiplayer games?
 
TheHeretic said:
Take it to a PC store and get them to run diagnostics. Speaks nothing for the PC as a platform, but its what I would do. It would annoy the shit out of me as well.

I'm not sure whether there are shops around here that do that. You mean they have special hardware/software that can actually diagnose the issue?
 
ElyrionX said:
I'm not sure whether there are shops around here that do that. You mean they have special hardware/software that can actually diagnose the issue?

I don't know if they can diagnose that particular issue because it sounds like you need a priest, but yeah they run a full scan using some hardcore equipment they have, i'm not sure exactly how it works.
 
aeolist said:
I'm still using a CPU and motherboard that I bought 2 years ago, just keep upgrading the video card and I'm set. And I can tell you from working in PC repair that most people buy new PCs every 2-3 years, which is all they really need for gaming. These aren't the types that look for peak possible performance, they just want to be able to run the games, and that's pretty competitive with consoles price-wise.
Buying a new PC every 2-3 years is price-competitive with consoles which last roughly 5-6 years per gen, and drop in price over time?
I'm not sure whether there are shops around here that do that. You mean they have special hardware/software that can actually diagnose the issue?
I have that problem too. I think it has to do with WMP trying to "look" at the file to see what resolution it's natively at or something. For some reason I want to say I started having that problem when I got my LCD, but I can't be sure. It may tie into nvidia drivers but I'm not sure...
 
ElyrionX said:
Also, about a year ago, I built an awesome new rig for the girlfriend. Everything works great except for one thing. Everytime, she right clicks on a video or music file, the whole monitor goes blank for half a second. It's fucking annoying and I couldn't find out wtf was causing the issue despite some troubleshooting and posting on online forums. With something like that, I don't even know whether it's the video card or the mobo causng the issue and there's no feasible way to find out.

Bleurgh... I actually fixed this issue for someone about a year ago. It's not a hardware issue, it's some media application. If I remember what the heck it was I will PM you. :P
 
Of All Trades said:
Buying a new PC every 2-3 years is price-competitive with consoles which last roughly 5-6 years per gen, and drop in price over time?

EDIT: Nvm, but most ppl can just upgrade..
 
Wallach said:
Bleurgh... I actually fixed this issue for someone about a year ago. It's not a hardware issue, it's some media application. If I remember what the heck it was I will PM you. :P


Christ dude, I would really appreciate that.
 
I'd say a better comparisn is simply that buying a good computer requires a repeat investment to a varying degree every 3 years whereas buying a console is roughly every 5 years. Over those 5 years I think it's safe to say one could spend 3000 dollars on the pc and all it's accesories and games and shit and well one could easily spend that much on a console as well, maybe more.

Saying pc's are multitasking devices because you can do a bunch of crap on them is all well and good but you then have to apply that same logic to consoles and say "well I can watch movies and television or just sit and listen to music in my living room with the home theatre, nice couch and big tv".

PC gaming , when done properly is pretty much enthusiast only. They find the best prices and build these things themselves and chances are high that any piece of software on these systems is obtained via the cheapest means possible.

Console gaming is unchanging, you buy a system , hook it into a preexisting home entertainment center and play your games , hassle free.

So that's basically all there is to it, regardless of how much money you throw at it. You can break the bank either way.
 
TheHeretic said:
and I can tell you from working in PC repair that most people buy new PCs every 2-3 years

... Oh you sneaky child :lol
I am sneaky indeed :P

It sucks when you jump on a statement too early, and then read the rest of the quoted post.

Pachinko said:
Saying pc's are multitasking devices because you can do a bunch of crap on them is all well and good but you then have to apply that same logic to consoles and say "well I can watch movies and television or just sit and listen to music in my living room with the home theatre, nice couch and big tv"
you can't really do those at the same time...
 
zoku88 said:
I am sneaky indeed :P

It sucks when you jump on a statement too early, and then read the rest of the quoted post.

Its satisfying to catch someone quoting you right after an edit though.

Well, i'd imagine it would be...
 
ElyrionX said:
Christ dude, I would really appreciate that.

Hey, do you have more than one display device attached to that PC? Like, dual monitors or running an output to a TV? And is it an NVidia-based GPU?

Edit - I did a little more digging, and sure enough, straight from the horse's mouth:

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1974

nVidia said:
On certain systems, right-clicking over a video file may cause the screen to go blank. This is caused by the context menu option "Play on my" scanning all monitors to determine monitor types and mode for video playback. To prevent your screen from going blank, you may remove this menu option from your PC by following the instructions below:

1) Click on the Windows Start button

2) Select Run

3) In the Open field, type in "regedit" and then press the OK button. This will bring up the Windows Registry.

4) On your keyboard, press the "Ctrl" button and the "F" button at the same time to bring up the Find search window.

5) In the "Find what" field, type "PlayOnMyTV" and then press the "Find Next" button. After it returns a result for "PlayOnMyTV", delete the "PlayOnMyTV" folder that it points to.

6) Repeat steps 4-5 until all "PlayOnMyTV" references have been deleted. Then exit the Windows registry. Once you have done this, you should no longer see the context menu option "Play on my" when you right-click over a video file and the screen should not go blank either.
 
ElyrionX said:
:lol

That's precisely what I'm talking about. These things are a huge pain in the ass when doing PC gaming.

Also, about a year ago, I built an awesome new rig for the girlfriend. Everything works great except for one thing. Everytime, she right clicks on a video or music file, the whole monitor goes blank for half a second. It's fucking annoying and I couldn't find out wtf was causing the issue despite some troubleshooting and posting on online forums. With something like that, I don't even know whether it's the video card or the mobo causng the issue and there's no feasible way to find out.

And replacing a specific spoilt component of your PC isn't that simple as well. Case in point, my own goddamn PC. I built this four years ago and it works great. The only issue I've ever faced was that the sound would occasionally go dead in the middle of a game. That wasn't an issue because it rarely occurred and all that was required was for me to exit and re-enter the game. But lately, this issue has been occurring very very frequently, making gaming a huge pain. But without doing any research, I'm pretty sure I can't find a replacement mobo because it's obsolete technology by now. That means my PC is essentially dead for gaming because of one of my components broke down and I can't replace it.

Wait, nevermind. It's way too late.
 
In PC I am an "old gamer".

The truth is that because I can´t pay an expansive PC for playing the last games I have one for playing the exclusive games of PC that appeared some time algo and I should say that I am enjoying them a lot.
 
TheHeretic said:
Its satisfying to catch someone quoting you right after an edit though.

Well, i'd imagine it would be...
It's kinda weird quoting someone before they stealth edit tho >.> I've done that a couple fo times. I've always been kinda confused. (even though, I should've prolly known wat was going on.)
 
Using price as an excuse to avoid PC gaming is a lazy, fallacious, cliche, and ignorantly-formed argument. It's useless arguing whether PC gaming or console gaming is more expensive, because the plain, simple, bottom line is that gaming in general is fucking expensive.

Whether you're spending more or less on games, more or less on HDTVs/monitors, more or less on hardware, more or less on accessories, it's irrelevant. Plain and simple, if you have the money to game on PC, you have the money to game on consoles, and vice versa. There's simply no question about it.


All that said, it comes down to time investment. If you want to take the time to build your own computer and work out the kinks, the PC is a fantastic and IMO far superior gaming platform. If you don't want to bother with anything like that, plop it in a console.

But even the difficulty argument is less defined these days, with multiple resolutions, multiple video options, more complex TV and home theater setups, online configurations, and more that goes into console gaming. At the same time, PC gaming is getting easier and easier, with every game auto-patching, simpler installations, far fewer compatibility issues, much simpler and less frequent driver installations and updates, more stable operating systems, and better-organized, better-marked motherboards for easier computer building.
 
Wallach said:
Hey, do you have more than one display device attached to that PC? Like, dual monitors or running an output to a TV? And is it an NVidia-based GPU?

Nope, just one VGA output to an old 15" Samsung LCD monitor. It doesn't have a DVI option (yes, it's that old) so I can't try hooking up to the GPU to the monitor via DVI to see if the problem can be resolved.

Also, if I remember correctly, it's a 6600 video card. I'm not sure about this though.
 
I like PC gaming but it can be such a pain in the ass.

I run a C2D 2.2ghz, 3gb DDR2 and 8800GT (on a Vista 32bit), it's not top of the line and if I put it together tomorrow it wouldn't be hugely expensive but since I recently upgraded an old 17" 4:3 CRT to a new 1680x1050 LCD I've had nothing but shitty performance from many of my games. Doom 3 runs like complete and utter ass, I suspect because it doesn't like Vista or my CPU or something and theres no new patches on Steam.

Where I was running everything on max in Titan Quest on my lower res CRT I'm now strugging because of the resolution, with Iron Lore now defunct it likely just needs a good patch or something, again maybe the CPU but that's not going to happen.

Playing through some Call of Duty 2, can't load the current level I'm on because some map file is missing. Uninstalled the game, reinstalled it, same problem.

Crysis runs like ass at this resolution even on medium where it was mostly playable at high in 1280x1024.

Company of Heroes seems fairly happy, turn on DX10 effects though and it becomes a slide show.


When everything on my PC just works it's great, but there's just always something and I'm not bothered to go fuck around to wring the most out of the games when I could be playing my Xbox360 instead. I tend to use PC's to play 'one or two year old' games so I know I can mostly turn them right up and get smooth and stable performance while buying any newer games becomes more of a risk.

I simply don't like the fact I have to get into my PC and fuck around with it all the time to get something running. I'd love to build a hardcore PC that would demolish any game I throw at it but the intial out lay is never really worth it when I can buy a console for a similar like price and know every game is going to run the same as everyone elses when I put it in.
 
dLMN8R said:
Using price as an excuse to avoid PC gaming is a lazy, fallacious, cliche, and ignorantly-formed argument. It's useless arguing whether PC gaming or console gaming is more expensive, because the plain, simple, bottom line is that gaming in general is fucking expensive.

Whether you're spending more or less on games, more or less on HDTVs/monitors, more or less on hardware, more or less on accessories, it's irrelevant. Plain and simple, if you have the money to game on PC, you have the money to game on consoles, and vice versa. There's simply no question about it.


All that said, it comes down to time investment. If you want to take the time to build your own computer and work out the kinks, the PC is a fantastic and IMO far superior gaming platform. If you don't want to bother with anything like that, plop it in a console.

But even the difficulty argument is less defined these days, with multiple resolutions, multiple video options, more complex TV and home theater setups, online configurations, and more that goes into console gaming. At the same time, PC gaming is getting easier and easier, with every game auto-patching, simpler installations, far fewer compatibility issues, more stable operating systems, and better-organized and better-marked motherboards for easier computer building.

I was with you until you said PC gaming is getting easier. For every autopatcher there are ten manually patching games, and whilst home theatre setups still boggle my mind they've been doing so for decades. Vista was a crash fest of epic proportions when it came out, "far fewer compatability issues" seems like a blanket statement to me. To give an example of a problem i've been having, playing Rainbow Six Vegas 2, after getting into a game whenever I try to get into menus everything is black. I've found no way to fix it, its something that wouldn't happen on a console.

Ultimately I don't buy into the price argument at all, whatever you enjoy most you will find a way to make it work financially.
 
ElyrionX said:
Nope, just one VGA output to an old 15" Samsung LCD monitor. It doesn't have a DVI option (yes, it's that old) so I can't try hooking up to the GPU to the monitor via DVI to see if the problem can be resolved.

Also, if I remember correctly, it's a 6600 video card. I'm not sure about this though.

Yeah, now I remember why this was such a pain - he only had one monitor hooked up but the problem was with the stupid software hook invoked on the right-click that was looking for other sources anyway. The fix posted above should cull that functionality entirely so it does not happen anymore. You might update the drivers first, just in case they fixed this issue since I last looked at it.
 
Honestly, I feel like there is a barrier of entry to almost anything. Whether it's building computers, running software, typing, working out, or even just learning how to read and write. Maybe I have too much faith in humanity, but I believe I can do anything I put my mind to and I also believe that everyone else can too. Maybe I'm wrong. I just like to think for some reason that I am able to do these things with ease because I put my mind to it and that anyone else who tries can do the same. I have no idea what I'm typing its too late.
 
itxaka said:
Only trolls and idiots believe in this myth.
Pretty much.

The ignorance towards PC gaming put forward by lots of members on here is actually my least favourite thing about GAF.
 
The biggest problem with PC gaming is not the price, how you're forced to update your graphics card every two years, driver hell or convenience, it's simply the game selection.

I've got a high end PC (self built, cost me $2000) with high quality lo-noise parts that I can also game on. The problem is I have no interest in typical PC games. The only exception in the past two years have been Titan Quest and the Sam & Max-adventures.

I don't like RTS games, I moderately like FPS games and I like playing them on a couch+console just as much. The games selection is far more diverse on consoles and PC exclusives are simply not that great. How about racing games? Where's the PC equivalent of Burnout Paradise, Gran Turismo or Forza? Grid? I can play that on my PS3 as well. How about platformers like Mario or Ratchet & Clank? How about JRPGs? There aren't any on the PC. Japanese games in general are very rare on the PC. Capcom ported Lost Planet and Devil May Cry 4 to the PC, but sales have been so poor that its doubtful they'll continue.

None of my PS2, Gamecube and Wii games in my collection have ever been released on the PC. Only a third of my Xbox 360 games have a PC version, on the PS3 the ratio is lower than a third. If I would have limited myself to PC games for the past five years, 80% of my games collection would be gone.

BTW The crazy fast videocard upgrade cycle still sucks. It's not much fun when you get a 7900GT card and 1.5 months later the 8800GT is the new standard. The happy end is that my 7900GT croaked while it was still under warranty, so I got a free faster replacement. Still no games I want to play on the PC though. Titan Quest on 2560x1600 does look very nice. I bet that when Diablo comes out it won't run on my current card.
 
^ It sounds like your 7900GT would've played the games you wanted to play just fine, though....

Not sure why you would self-build a $2k gaming machine, especially if you don't seem to like most PC games...
 
zoku88 said:
^ It sounds like your 7900GT would've played the games you wanted to play just fine, though....

Not sure why you would self-build a $2k gaming machine, especially if you don't seem to like most PC games...

I built a $2000 PC because I spend an incredible amount of time on it: work, making music, video, etc etc It's a good investment since my music gear cost me a lot more and I use it less,
 
I'm probably going to pick up one of the cheaper new Mac laptops in the coming months. Is there a shred of a chance I'll be able to play some games on it ?
 
I'm sorry, I must have slipped into an alternate universe where 700-900 dollars isn't a lot of damn money.

Why should I pay 2-3 times as much money for a thing that's going to have 2-3 times fewer cool games?

Why should I pay so much more money for a system where I'll have to mess with updating drivers and crap and fiddling with the settings on my games, and I'll need to do a check on system requirements and recommendations for each game I buy, when I can buy any game console, stick a DVD in it and just play the game?

Don't get me wrong, I love the PC games that I have (those few that can run on my computer, anyway.) And Steam is just about the best thing since sliced bread, but let's stop acting like PCs are a cost effective alternative to consoles, because they're just not.
 
Htown said:
Why should I pay 2-3 times as much money for a thing that's going to have 2-3 times fewer cool games?

Why does it have to be one or the other? PC is awesome and necessary for gaming if only because it is an open platform. There are thousands of cool games on PC. Maybe you just haven't heard of them yet.

Also, innovation and early adoption of hardware and features on PC drives console evolution. Without PC gaming, consoles would be nowhere near as powerful and feature-rich as they are now.
 
Htown said:
I'm sorry, I must have slipped into an alternate universe where 700-900 dollars isn't a lot of damn money.

No, it's really not cheap for most people. Then again, neither is getting started with a PS3 - cheaper, but ~500 bones is not chump change either. Going multi-console, as a lot of gamers here claim to do, will rack up that bill even faster.

Htown said:
Why should I pay 2-3 times as much money for a thing that's going to have 2-3 times fewer cool games?

If your only intention with the device is to play video games, you probably shouldn't. However, you may consider how much you will spend on a PC device that you will probably need anyway and figure out the cost effectiveness from there.

That said, if I were looking at the current "next-gen" console market, I wouldn't be able to single out any one of them and claim that they have 2-3 times as many "cool games" as the PC. Not even close, actually.
 
Fredescu said:
Yet you play the shit out of it.
Yup, tells you how good I think the games are when I put up with such a shit platform

Incidentally what games do you need to change settings on your router for? I've no doubt you've played more recent PC games than me, so I'm genuinely curious.
I have to use Hamachi (program that fakes a network with someone) to play Hearts of Iron 2 online because there was just no way of doing it normally. And this is by no means a rare case, though a fairly severe one. It's very annoying as the only thing I hate more than adjusting settings on a PC is adjusting settings (forwarding ports) on a router.
 
Htown[/quote said:
I'm sorry, I must have slipped into an alternate universe where 700-900 dollars isn't a lot of damn money.
Wallach said:
No, it's really not for most people.

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I'm trying to figure out how $700-$900 is "really not [a lot of money] for most people". For many people -- heck, possibly for most people.

Median income in the USA is about $48,000 a year now. After taxes (assuming married, filing joint) that's about $41,500 (ignoring state tax and a host of other things.) Ignoring ALL deductions and such, that's a weekly salary of about $850.

I find it hard to believe that about 1/4 of a month's paycheck isn't "a lot of money" for most people, especially with rent/mortgage costs probably being near the same range.
 
does anyone know which US/CANADA pc parts retailer ships internationally?
i wanna take advantage of the strong euro but none of those fuckers seem to ship to europe :/

the prices over here are rediculous
help lulz
 
not going to go picking through the entire topic, but my PC has cost me about $900 and it will last until at least the 2012 election without upgrading anything, I think. maybe the video card... maybe.
 
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