Yeah, definitely getting Pegasus first. I've already read the rules and read through a few session reports. I can understand folks saying get Exodus first or instead of... but there's really nothing wrong with Pegasus and by getting it first, it still gives us something awesome to look forward to in Exodus a few months / plays later instead of being let down by Pegasus after the fact.
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Caesar III
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Most of the hate is based off of the high price. It's as expensive as prosperty but has only 120 cards or something like this. Prosperty has around 500 new cards and coins and plates, etc.Agyar said:
Other than that Alchemy is great. Those cards allow some hilarious turns
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AstroLad said:
This is correct. Though my wife says she likes Prosperity way more than Seaside.
edit: Dammit now I want to play Dominion.
Headed to dominion.isotropic.org for a couple games.Doublethink
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It's not that hard to get the treasure piles to run out with certain cards. I once played a game where we ran out of copper. Stupid Mountebank.GDJustin said:
platypotamus
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So the wife and I had an epic board gaming day today, for no particular reason.
As part of that, we played our first 2 player game of Fresco:
At first we both kinda hated it, but it turns out, we had a rule slightly wrong, but just wrong enough to really screw up the game. Fixing that, this is a nice little worker placement game. Possibly a trainer for Caylus or Agricola or something. I am not sure if we'll play 2 Player again, because like Dungeon Lords, it has a "fake player" mechanic just to take up spots for your workers, and we both kinda hate that. Still, the base game was good fun, and reading and talking about the little expansion modules included in the box, I think they'd be good times too, without upping complexity too much. Wife beat me by just a couple points.
Then we played our second game of Innovation. After 2, we like this one even more than we did after the first time. This particular session had some really great moments. I used a Prehistory card (Tools) to get to Age 3 while wife was still stuck in 1. A card from that age actually then bumped me up to 4 pretty instantly. In age 4 I got Gunpowder, which I used to blast my wife back to the stone age (well, she was still in the stone age when I got it, so even further back into it). I was already in age 5, when she got an age 2 card (Road Building) that let her do some nifty trading with other people's boards... meaning she stole an age 4 tech from me, and I lost access to my sweet age 5 tech that I was using at that point. She dominated for most of the rest of the game, until a Physics accident left her with no cards, and me with a bunch. Too little too late, she still won. Totally awesome.
Then we played Agricola. We both spent most of the game talking about how much we hate Agricola (no matter how much you like it, you hate it too). Of course, right after it ended, we talked about how we should play it more often. Fucking Agricola!
Finally, we just wrapped up a Glory to Rome game. We flew too close to the sun, our brains are mush after all that. I absolutely destroyed her in this one. I had (very early) a building that let all of my Merchant Clients act as any role. I then did everything in my power to end up with a few of them. Got 5. This meant that any role my wife lead, I got to copy at least 5 times. There was really nothing she could do.
As part of that, we played our first 2 player game of Fresco:
At first we both kinda hated it, but it turns out, we had a rule slightly wrong, but just wrong enough to really screw up the game. Fixing that, this is a nice little worker placement game. Possibly a trainer for Caylus or Agricola or something. I am not sure if we'll play 2 Player again, because like Dungeon Lords, it has a "fake player" mechanic just to take up spots for your workers, and we both kinda hate that. Still, the base game was good fun, and reading and talking about the little expansion modules included in the box, I think they'd be good times too, without upping complexity too much. Wife beat me by just a couple points.
Then we played our second game of Innovation. After 2, we like this one even more than we did after the first time. This particular session had some really great moments. I used a Prehistory card (Tools) to get to Age 3 while wife was still stuck in 1. A card from that age actually then bumped me up to 4 pretty instantly. In age 4 I got Gunpowder, which I used to blast my wife back to the stone age (well, she was still in the stone age when I got it, so even further back into it). I was already in age 5, when she got an age 2 card (Road Building) that let her do some nifty trading with other people's boards... meaning she stole an age 4 tech from me, and I lost access to my sweet age 5 tech that I was using at that point. She dominated for most of the rest of the game, until a Physics accident left her with no cards, and me with a bunch. Too little too late, she still won. Totally awesome.
Then we played Agricola. We both spent most of the game talking about how much we hate Agricola (no matter how much you like it, you hate it too). Of course, right after it ended, we talked about how we should play it more often. Fucking Agricola!
Finally, we just wrapped up a Glory to Rome game. We flew too close to the sun, our brains are mush after all that. I absolutely destroyed her in this one. I had (very early) a building that let all of my Merchant Clients act as any role. I then did everything in my power to end up with a few of them. Got 5. This meant that any role my wife lead, I got to copy at least 5 times. There was really nothing she could do.
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I finally managed to get a new game to the table, Trias. I bought this game a long time ago based solely on the fact that it comes with dinomeeples but had it on hold for almost a year. The premise is really simple, at the beginning there's only one big continent which represents pangea where all players place their dinomeeples, slowly each turn the players start to drift away the land tiles, reproduce and migrate their dinos to form new continents, each time a new continent is created, it's scored and the first and second players with most dinos on it score points for it.
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Each turn, the players have to use a card to determine the type of tile they'll move on their mandatory drift, but there's also a meteor card, once that is drawn the end game is triggered, everyone has an extra miniturn and then it's scoring time again. The player with the majority on a continent scores a point for each tile on it and the second majority scores half of it. There's only one counterintuitive rule, when you drift a tile the dinos on it fall on the water and must be rescued on that player next turn or they'll drown (instead of moving with the land mass).
The game turn goes like this (1 dino = 1 herd):
It's a good game, but the rulebook is simply awful and the 2 player variant is reaaaally different, I swear we made so many mistakes yesterday it's not even funny (thank god for BGG), I even lost one of my dinomeeples (cats...). I'm dying to play it again with all the corrections though.
(not my picture)
(not my picture)
Each turn, the players have to use a card to determine the type of tile they'll move on their mandatory drift, but there's also a meteor card, once that is drawn the end game is triggered, everyone has an extra miniturn and then it's scoring time again. The player with the majority on a continent scores a point for each tile on it and the second majority scores half of it. There's only one counterintuitive rule, when you drift a tile the dinos on it fall on the water and must be rescued on that player next turn or they'll drown (instead of moving with the land mass).
The game turn goes like this (1 dino = 1 herd):
- Mandatory drift of the same tile type that you have in your hand of the top card of the stack (forest, steppe or mountain)
- Use up to 4 action points on the following actions:
- Drift another tile (3 action points)
- Move a dino herd to an adjacent tile (1 point)
- Reproduce a dino (1 point, but could only be done once for each herd)
- Rescue up to three swimmers to adjacent tiles (1 point)
- Resolve swimmers and overpopulation (ie, kill excess of dinos)
- Draw another card
It's a good game, but the rulebook is simply awful and the 2 player variant is reaaaally different, I swear we made so many mistakes yesterday it's not even funny (thank god for BGG), I even lost one of my dinomeeples (cats...). I'm dying to play it again with all the corrections though.
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UpperCaseN
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My friend on Fri liked Last Night on Earth, he'll have to play a few more times before really getting it though; I don't think he's played Magic and honestly having that as a background really helps. I couldn't help but put the pedal to the metal as zombies though
had 2 others over on Sat for Catan, they were cool with trying Forbidden Island as well, my first time playing with 4 people. It went well but we were 1 turn away from winning when we lost the helicopter pad, dammit!
had 2 others over on Sat for Catan, they were cool with trying Forbidden Island as well, my first time playing with 4 people. It went well but we were 1 turn away from winning when we lost the helicopter pad, dammit!
Trading LNOE and GH expansion for the out of print Lost Valley.
Can really only be an upgrade. At this point my take on LnoE (and Flying Frog in general) is pretty negative coming from a seasoned gamers perspective. I'd play it with newbies but at this point they are far and few between with my group, plus I'd hate for yet another bullshit scenario/card draw combo come up and turn them off boardgaming right out of the gate.
How hard can it be to make a balanced, thematic, tense zombie game?
We need a savior (much like Merchants & Maurauders did for the pirate themed genre) to save unlife in boardgaming!
Can really only be an upgrade. At this point my take on LnoE (and Flying Frog in general) is pretty negative coming from a seasoned gamers perspective. I'd play it with newbies but at this point they are far and few between with my group, plus I'd hate for yet another bullshit scenario/card draw combo come up and turn them off boardgaming right out of the gate.
How hard can it be to make a balanced, thematic, tense zombie game?
We need a savior (much like Merchants & Maurauders did for the pirate themed genre) to save unlife in boardgaming!
UpperCaseN
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AstroLad said:
I agree, I think LNOE is the best it's gonna get. If I had 1 complaint, it's how card wording/syntax can be really subjective and argued; this is the reason why I stopped playing Magic and I'm roped right back into it with LNOE
You guys are smoking the good shit if you think LnoE is anything close to balanced. Something better WILL come along eventually, if I have to make it myself.
I also don't think I've ever had a tense game of LNOE. It's always pretty clear whose going to win about halfway through. Sometimes from the get-go (truck scenario, player starts with an item, huuuurrr)
Thematic is all it's got going for it.
I also don't think I've ever had a tense game of LNOE. It's always pretty clear whose going to win about halfway through. Sometimes from the get-go (truck scenario, player starts with an item, huuuurrr)
Thematic is all it's got going for it.
i've had close games of LNOE that have come down to the last few turns, and even the last one. it's not that productive to talk about in the abstract though as it comes down to individual scenarios. some scenarios, like the easy early ones, are fairly hero-friendly, whereas a lot of the later ones and the web ones are more zombie friendly. it's very customizable like AH
AstroLad said:
The game at BGG was pretty unbalanced.
Your wife had no chance from about the halfway point.
That said, it still took a lot of cooperative work and people working together to pull it off.
LNOE is a sure fire winner for me. Theme is amazing. Just amazing.
I find the gameplay itself to be engaging enough as well.
Yeah, you know my feelings on AH, too.AstroLad said:
I've had games of LNOE that were moreso interesting than others too. My point is, when I sit down to play a game I want to KNOW a game is going to be interesting and not HOPE it will be playable this time, should fate smile upon us. Thousands of games do this. So why waste my time with ones that don't.
UpperCaseN
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I've had a good amount of games that were tense as hell, coming down to final turns where 1 mistake can cost you the game. I've also had a fair share of really unbalanced, un-fun games too where it's obvious who is going to win and we just finish up for the sake of finishing up. In terms of balancing, some house rules are necessary for that depending on which scenario you're playing, but in terms of tense vs non-tense, it varies too often to generalize certain scenarios.
we posted at the same time, but this is a perfect way to put it, I might have to steal that
Neverfade said:
we posted at the same time, but this is a perfect way to put it, I might have to steal that
Neverfade said:
Assuming you hate the game, what feelings would that be? AH is like the perfect thematic game. My entire collection (albeit small at this point) is 90% thematic and there is NOTHING even compares to the scope of that game. The rules are fiddly, but once you get past that it's just an incredible game.
If you know another thematic game that is as deep and enriching as AH is, then I'd like to play it.
platypotamus
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My wife and I both still have headaches from our marathon of gaming yesterday. Where did we get the dumb idea to play Agricola and Glory to Rome at the END of a marathon?
I'm totally addicted to dominion.isotropic.org.
Although, I'm not addicted to getting possession in three games in a row and two of those having King's Court.
The Race for the Galaxy AI game I found at BGG is pretty sweet as well. Don't really want to play the expansions until I own those as well though.
The next game I was looking to buy was maybe Agricola or BSG. What would be more fun for a family group of 4 or 5 people? I've read that Agricola can be very hard to teach, but I think they would like the theme more. I'm the only one in the group that has seen BSG.
Although, I'm not addicted to getting possession in three games in a row and two of those having King's Court.
The Race for the Galaxy AI game I found at BGG is pretty sweet as well. Don't really want to play the expansions until I own those as well though.
The next game I was looking to buy was maybe Agricola or BSG. What would be more fun for a family group of 4 or 5 people? I've read that Agricola can be very hard to teach, but I think they would like the theme more. I'm the only one in the group that has seen BSG.
There could not be two more different games.
BSG is a thematic game with very simple rules that is all about working with the other players.. trying to figure out who is helping you, who is the cylon trying to screw you. Amazingly fun game, especially if you watched/liked the show.
Agricola isn't single player solitaire, but interaction is pretty low. It is an amazing economic engine game all about planning 5-6 moves ahead to make the most efficient and diverse farm possible.
You can't go wrong with either game. Agricola is probably the better of the two games, but they are both amazing. If you are looking for a game with a lot of interaction and a more social experience, BSG is the way to go.
BSG is probably a medium game (i.e. a bit above an entry level game) where Agricola is medium-heavy. So Agricola has a bit more weight to it.
BSG is a thematic game with very simple rules that is all about working with the other players.. trying to figure out who is helping you, who is the cylon trying to screw you. Amazingly fun game, especially if you watched/liked the show.
Agricola isn't single player solitaire, but interaction is pretty low. It is an amazing economic engine game all about planning 5-6 moves ahead to make the most efficient and diverse farm possible.
You can't go wrong with either game. Agricola is probably the better of the two games, but they are both amazing. If you are looking for a game with a lot of interaction and a more social experience, BSG is the way to go.
BSG is probably a medium game (i.e. a bit above an entry level game) where Agricola is medium-heavy. So Agricola has a bit more weight to it.
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Mashing said:
TI can take a very long to play especially if you have lot of people playing. The expansion rules also make the game last much longer while base TI pretty much has a built in timer that forces the game to end.
Neverfade said:
I rather have strong theme in my zombie games than a game that distills the genre into math. I've had nothing but great times with LnoE and lots of tense moments.
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I've been having a ton of fun with this as well. I admit to having resisted it for quite a long time, just because I'm something of a purist when it comes to board games. But, man...you take out all the sorting through piles and piles of cards to get the game set up and it's hard to go back.
While I still vastly prefer in-person gaming, iCarcassonne, dominion.isotropic.org and this RtFG AI program have all proved to be more than mere curiosities on my laptop/iPad. Which was a big surprise. Now let's see some bloody Carc expansions...
Now I'm off to design the perfect zombie game for Neverfade...actually, boardgame-gaf should totally start collaborating on a project... ;p
anyone up for a couple games of dominion? dominion.isotropic.org
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i sent you a stone age invite. there is a friends list just go to players, search, then add to buddies here is my list which i think is most gaffers:Artadius said:
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I'm down for a few games.AstroLad said:
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As I predicted long ago, Monsterpocalypse is being relaunched as a non collectible game http://monsterpocalypse.com/news/dangerous-monster-zone-ahead
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Well it sounds like they will have prepackaged faction sets this time instead of two random starter forces in a box. I would imagine they would make a new starter, but they will likely be selling faction sets separate as well. The previous starter was repackaging of old material, but from now on it's going to be in complete sets and such. The newer factions were excluded from the recent starter and there was lot of new stuff in the works that has been on hold for some time.
Doubt they will put out a fancy board, since the game has tons of maps to play on.
Doubt they will put out a fancy board, since the game has tons of maps to play on.
platypotamus
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Astro, that was a hell of a move you made in Arkadia. 5 Reds 4 Blacks and 3 Whites? What was your net score change there?
platypotamus
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Yeah, I saw it on there and it was the only one besides Stone Age I had played before, now I'm wondering why it's been so long since I've played it live.
(probably because I keep getting new games and playing those)
(probably because I keep getting new games and playing those)
I'm really enjoying Arkadia.
St. Pete isn't really working very well in this setting. It is more of a Dominion style super quick fairly light card game. When it takes hours between buying a single card it can be a bit too long.
Arkadia on the other hand is inching up my wanted list quickly. Haven't totally figured the strategy out, but I like the math behind it and have always thought the bits were really nice looking.
St. Pete isn't really working very well in this setting. It is more of a Dominion style super quick fairly light card game. When it takes hours between buying a single card it can be a bit too long.
Arkadia on the other hand is inching up my wanted list quickly. Haven't totally figured the strategy out, but I like the math behind it and have always thought the bits were really nice looking.
platypotamus
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I was wondering if the format was hurting St Pete, or if I just wasn't really getting the game. Glad its the former, because it seems pretty cool, in theory.
UpperCaseN
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BattleMonkey said:
How is Monsterpocalypse? I first saw this game after going to a Kaiju Big Battel event, the fact that it has collectible pieces turns me off though. If they're releasing just a standard non collectible edition, consider me interested.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
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So I'm not the only one who is a little eh on St. Pete. When do we get paid? I couldn't figure that out.
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In other Kaiju battle gaming news, preview of the upcoming Godzilla board game is out with some nice pics of how the stacking modular buildings will look like: http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/02/08/43604
I think it's a great game, though it's more miniature war game than a board game, though it feels like a hybrid at times. If your not used to miniature gaming it might seem a bit much with all the rules and abilities available for all the figures since it's not just one big standardized game system like most board games tend to be.
Gryphter said:
I think it's a great game, though it's more miniature war game than a board game, though it feels like a hybrid at times. If your not used to miniature gaming it might seem a bit much with all the rules and abilities available for all the figures since it's not just one big standardized game system like most board games tend to be.
I just wanna say City is out of fucking control as card in Dominion. That's the thing about Prosperity I feel, and why I like Seaside better, is that a lot of the Prosperty cards just make turns go nutso. Not saying they're overpowered because every set has good and bad cards, just nutso.
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