Shawnwhann said:
Awesome... Didn't even get a chance to have a rebuttal. You guys are classic....
My initial thought was to just have you guys replay it after hearing what you had to say. I posted that post, then I went on AIM to talk to you guys (notice I didn't deliver punishment in that post). I sent you a message on AIM and immediately after, you logged out. I then told DM that I would wait for your response and that most likely, you guys would replay it.
After some deliberation, I decided to just get this mess of a season over with. I waited since the 29th for you guys to play and this is what happened. I did not feel like waiting another week for you guys to replay it and he was available last night. I've got stuff to do and both of you guys are busy. I guess pent up frustration had something to do with it as well. People keep breaking the rules (knowingly or not) and not getting punished. It's been that way forever. The only person to ever suffer any repressions for his actions has been Bog.
What would your rebuttal have been, anyway? You admittedly and knowingly broke the rules twice in one game. The only matter left to resolve was not your guilt, but the punishment for your actions.
I know this league has always been lenient, and this season hasn't been any different, but I guess this was the straw.
---oh, nm, here it is... popped up while I was in the john!
Shawnwhann said:
I especially loved Rors rant about how I knowingly broke rules and I didn't care about them despite the fact the fourth down rule has been changed many times over the years. Last I knew, all fourth down attempts were acceptable as long as you were down...yet I couldn't check anyways due to the fact LD is expired. The only sense I had that it wasn't ok was when DM decided to make it an issue...
Sounded to me like you knew. And LD barely expired last night. I always said to check the rules and it was always in the weekly announcements. I can't ask everyone on a game to game basis to read the friggin' rules. It's up to you to know them.
Since we are on rules, let's discuss the hypocrisy that Rors is exhibiting with his actions. If you were so concerned about rules being followed and preserving the integrity of the game; you shouldn't have subbed in on games only to position yourself to "phone it in". If I recall correctly from our game, you did everything from sitting starters (Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis) to playing uncharacteristically (99% pass, no running game etc.) unlike yourself to give your opponents easy wins.
First of all, I sat Campbell and Portis because it was the only way to get YOU to play. You didn't want to play me because you thought it would be too hard and that you would be forced to reveal your awesome strategy against me. It was an incentive to get you guys to play me because MrBob and others had the same issue.
Second, I played DM hard in my fill in Vikes game. He wanted me to start all my starters and opposed me starting backups. Our game went down to the wire and was decided by 2 points at the last minute. The Panthers game got out of hand when McCown went in for injured Delhomme. I was actually up 10-0 with Jake.
I imagine you did similar things in your other games you subbed in as well. There is no way anyone can convince me that a person going 15-1 throughout the year with a shitty team like the Raiders can be 0-4 (from my count...) in substitution games... So I find it laughable and ridiculous that you're going to sit up here and try to lecture me on the spirit of rules and integrity in this league. I'd reckon your actions are much more offensive than two fourth down conversions I did...
My game against LJ as the Dolphins also went down to the last minute and I held CB to as long as I could before Westbrook tore me up using the shitty Dolphins D.
If you want to give league championships to individuals based on technicalities, it's up to you.
Cool because that's exactly what I wanted to do and guess what? I already did it. DM gets another asterisk championship! \o/
If you want to cater to old friends that politic over AIM, that's up to you. You want to basically rob our community of a legitimate and undisputed champion, that's up to you.
This transparent bullshit has completely soured me on continuing to play in this league and, in turn, I want nothing to do with it anymore as evidenced by the requested removal of a tag I was very proud of until early this morning.
It is what it is, I'll catch you guys around the way.
Sweet. See ya. I wonder if I had been the champ what the reaction would have been...
