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The NFL's nightmare week continues: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
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Dreams-Visions
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Yea this.
I didn't know anyone under the age of 65 spanks with switches. Kinda baffling. I wonder if he went all the way and sent the kid out into the yard crying to pick out the stick he was going to get spanked with.
What I came to post.
speculawyer
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The NFL is going to collapse as a bunch of big guys with Roid Rage get suspended.
Dreams-Visions
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A "switch" is slang that generally refers to a tree branch that is broken off of a tree and then used for spanking children.
ZedIndyLil
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I have to think there are wounds on the kid if there's an indictment. Ugh.
biggersmaller
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No kidding. If it was 'spanking' in the traditional sense, this will set a nation-wide debate. I look forward to the Daily Show clips from FOX News:
"My dad beat me with a belt for mixing his drink wrong. Kids today have no respect."
Black Mamba
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caught on tape by the CSPAN as it was done in Congress.
Unfortunately, Goodell asked for the tape and was rebuked.
Dreams-Visions
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Yep. I mean if he spanked him with his pants down, there can't help but be bruises.
I definitely got spanked with a switch by my grandparents a couple of times. I can't remember if I had to take my pants down. They also did not have NFL-grade strength, so there's a difference.
Random Painted HIghway
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Well this should be interesting.
Here's this:
Update: Sources say Peterson was first no billed by the grand jury when the prosecutor first presented this case but the District Attorneys office took it a second time and this time the panel in Montgomery County accepted the criminal charge.
Update: Brady Fitzgerald with the Montgomery County Sheriffs office says they investigated Peterson for injury to a child and then turned the case over to the District Attorney to present to a grand jury. However, Fitzgerald says Peterson has not been arrested.
http://www.isiahfactor.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-in-montgomery-county-texas/
if the no bill then giving it to a second grand jury and true bill is true, that is very very very interesting. barring new evidence, that would be highly unusual.
Here's this:
Update: Sources say Peterson was first no billed by the grand jury when the prosecutor first presented this case but the District Attorneys office took it a second time and this time the panel in Montgomery County accepted the criminal charge.
Update: Brady Fitzgerald with the Montgomery County Sheriffs office says they investigated Peterson for injury to a child and then turned the case over to the District Attorney to present to a grand jury. However, Fitzgerald says Peterson has not been arrested.
http://www.isiahfactor.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-in-montgomery-county-texas/
if the no bill then giving it to a second grand jury and true bill is true, that is very very very interesting. barring new evidence, that would be highly unusual.
BFIB
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I got hit w/ those as a kid by my grandpa.
Lets just say I fucking listened after that. Hurt like hell.
BobTheFork
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Did he make the kid go cut his own switch? I always had to and if you didn't cut a good one, you got it worse.
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MHWilliams
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My grandmother used to tell me to go get a switch off the tree outside. A good one, too. Not one of them weak switches.
Of course, my grandmother wasn't Adrian Peterson.
I see I'm not alone.
entremet
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I don't get it. Is spanking the new tipping/circumcision?
The Culture Vulture
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Not sure what the spanking law is in Texas but I assume it isn't very strict.
Also I can't imagine physically punishing a child when you had an earlier child beat to death.
Also I can't imagine physically punishing a child when you had an earlier child beat to death.
djplaeskool
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My grandparents did this when I misbehaved.
My parents were more fond of a quick, unexpected smack on the back of my head when I acted a fool.
I got spanked as kid, smacked with a rod, spoon, and I turned out fucking fine, sometimes people only learn with a little forced, I know it calmed my asshole attitude. Would I do the same to my kid? Nah, I really don't want to.
Again tho, this is going to be a fucking trainwreck of a thread. We're talking about the severity of it, sounds serious enough. People are going to be asking for those pictures, and that is beyond fucked.
Again tho, this is going to be a fucking trainwreck of a thread. We're talking about the severity of it, sounds serious enough. People are going to be asking for those pictures, and that is beyond fucked.
Sho_Nuff82
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No, airline reclining is. Spanking is older than the ADS debate.
MMBosstones86
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Ray Rice
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...the NFL is definitely not having the best week ever.
Greg Hardy
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...the NFL is definitely not having the best week ever.
TheJollyCorner
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I hope the child is alright.
I assume he is (beyond some bruising?), as anything more serious probably would have leaked much earlier and this have been an on-going situation for weeks now.
Still- goddamnit, Adrian.
I assume he is (beyond some bruising?), as anything more serious probably would have leaked much earlier and this have been an on-going situation for weeks now.
Still- goddamnit, Adrian.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/5/22/22.04
More info here I think? First time to this site so I dunno.
http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/of...ngs-adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-injury
If Peterson left marks or caused bleeding...8 games minimum.
NFL don't want this problem. If they suspend the best running back in a generation for stuff many many people strongly believe in, they'll take the hit. If the NFL doesn't suspend AP, people will say the NFL condones child abuse.
Good luck with this one, Goodell.
NFL don't want this problem. If they suspend the best running back in a generation for stuff many many people strongly believe in, they'll take the hit. If the NFL doesn't suspend AP, people will say the NFL condones child abuse.
Good luck with this one, Goodell.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Is it still spanking if you're using an object?
ratcliffja
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A switch is excessive, but I'm not sure it should be a felony unless this was an extreme case.
I'm completely ignorant on the law. But I had friends growing up that would get a belt to the ass if they ever got in serious trouble. At what point does it become child abuse? I'm not asking philosophically (I know not everyone agrees on corporal punishment). More so, at what point legally is it considered abuse/neglect?
Is spanking your child with an object illegal in some states?
Is spanking your child with an object illegal in some states?
Ninja Scooter
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Vikings play the Pats this week. Bob Kraft called in some favors.
Dreams-Visions
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I don't know either, but I would assume in most cases the line is drawn around bruising (scope and scale).
Neuromancer
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No but it's a good first step to being found guilty.
MHWilliams
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I believe the point of contention is leaving marks, abrasions, or bruises on a child.
Yeah, so it's probably based on the physical damage? I guess one has to determine that it was excessive beyond reason, and to the point that it put the child's health in danger. I just think this is such a weird thing, since so many people have their own views on how to discipline children. I'm just curious how many cases cross that line of what is and isn't abuse. And now adays, I'm pretty sure if a kid was angry that their parent belted them, they could complain to someone and there would be child protection services all over that house. So unlike the past, it would be a lot easier for a kid to get their parent in trouble. But then again, if there isn't bruising or physical damage, then there wouldn't be a case. SO that seems to be the focus here (the amount of physical damage that crosses over to abuse).
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captmcblack
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I'm gonna want to know how hard the spanking was, and what it was for before I agree with "abuse".
I don't think most parents want to lay hands on their kids - or have anyone lay hands on their kids - but there's got to be a place where a whack on the bottom/on the hands is a valid limited use tool for parenting that isn't abuse.
I know "well, my parents smacked me one a few times when I was really out of line as a kid" isn't proof that it's a good thing or whatever...but still, that happened and I know they never crossed the line in the rare times they did so.
I don't think most parents want to lay hands on their kids - or have anyone lay hands on their kids - but there's got to be a place where a whack on the bottom/on the hands is a valid limited use tool for parenting that isn't abuse.
I know "well, my parents smacked me one a few times when I was really out of line as a kid" isn't proof that it's a good thing or whatever...but still, that happened and I know they never crossed the line in the rare times they did so.
My grandpa never did it to us but he would threaten my older brother with his belt but my brother's response made everyone laugh instead. He said, "But papaw, you can't use your belt! Your pants would fall down!" What a perfect response to get out of the punishment.
I guess I'm glad I was good. A different era for sure.
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