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The Official Left 4 Dead Thread
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Pop On Arrival
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syllogism said:
Well, if they're not gonna just nerf it and not adjust how the hunter plays, then I think so too. it's just that I play against so many people that I get to melee 5-7 times before getting killed/meleed off. Maybe I'm just playing against people that don't know how to deal with it, thus making it look broken.
demigod
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BobsRevenge said:
Some team did that in my game, well pretty much everyone does that now from what I've seen. I swiped Zoey 4 times while she was boomered and then went down, Francis came out trying to help and I swiped him down as well.
Had some idiot kept doing the spectate exploit and I'm pretty sure he bugged the Tank on NM Finale. His team didn't bother to kick him either so I just left since we had already won the game with more points. I really hope the patch comes soon, these exploits are taking the fun out of the game.
Giganticus
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petition to change smoker tongue recharge time to be the same as when they miss
PotatoeMasher
Member
Giganticus said:
Smoker is worthless in most situations, so I'd say no. Usually you only have an instant to get the perfect grab, and even then someone can just shoot or melee and get out of it.
Giganticus
Member
smoker is worthless in most situations, so you wouldn't like to see it's recharge time reduced significantly to improve it?PotatoeMasher said:
Blue Geezer
Member
id prefer a compromise....
if its been shot then a lengthy respawn time (ie the one we have) if its just a melee hit then its get a slightly shorter version as a melee hit isnt as bad as being shot!
if its been shot then a lengthy respawn time (ie the one we have) if its just a melee hit then its get a slightly shorter version as a melee hit isnt as bad as being shot!
PotatoeMasher
Member
Giganticus said:
I see--I read that backwards. Good suggestion then, Sir! :lol
Pop On Arrival
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Blue Geezer said:
That really wouldn't change anything. It's not like it's incredibly hard to just shoot someone after you melee them once.
Blue Geezer
Member
i meant in regards to their tongue. and surely it would make a diff? as a team spamming melee over and over would get more smoker tongues coming at them over time as opposed to those that took the risk to actually shoot the tongue.
no?
no?
Pop On Arrival
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Blue Geezer said:
Ah, the way you worded it had me confused, sorry.
Leave mah autoshotty alone.
Houston3000
Member
Damn, sounds just like my game of Versus last night... we did awesome the whole time legitimately but when it came to the finale everyone piled under the ramp. I didn't want to rage quit because we were having such a fun match but it pissed me off.catfish said:oh man, played a great game of vs on No mercy last night, stranger team was working well, everyone supported each other, really nailing them when we were infected (hunter claw works really well)
however, on the finale, after we destroyed them all and they didn't escape 2 of the guys were 'hey check out this neat thing and got under the rampthe other player was an idiot who quickly died so I couldn't go with him, I could either be a ramp dick guy or just get slaughtered on my own.
So I tried it out
Real shame that the otherwise great players chose the easy win. However it's always the way with a glitch like that. Dude probably discovered it and thought he was on to a 'secret' or something.
vs is fun. I really like waiting as a hunter until the boomer spews someone then attacking with the claw.
We didn't make it though, under the ramp we were fine but as soon as we climbed out to get to the chopper we were destroyed. Double hunter pounced and Smoked, I think someone may of been swiped down to - all while getting to the helipad from under the ramp. Actually made me smile that they stopped us
. We still won the game mind you, but it was a relatively close one.Blue Geezer
Member
Coverly said:
i have done two campaigns on expert with two bots. so it is doable. you literally gotta drag them along for the most part but however they are excellent at killing special infected.
Pop On Arrival
Banned
Blizzard said:
The comment you quoted was a joke.
And I don't want them to nerf the hunter, I want them to change how he plays. I feel like running around meleeing everyone isn't how he was supposed to be played. It's boring.
Blue Geezer said:
Dafish: Yeah it sucks, but for another week or so we will not have any internet access at home so we can't play with friends like we usually do. So we thought we could try it to get used to expert.
They are a godsend on killing special infected, they are so fast. We have no problem with npcs on a normal setting, but expert has been a real challenge. It's fun though.
Giganticus
Member
to extend my reasoning...
smoker is a class that requires an opportunity to strike. without a prime opportunity it's useless or dead or maybe a distraction at most. good opportunities take a while as against even half decent survivor teams they'll be close together and meleeing etc. so when that rare opportunity pops up ie. when one person lags back maybe only a few metres or so or a boomer covers 3 of the team, it would be great if the smoker wasn't having to wait for the ridiculously long recharge because like 15 seconds ago he had a tongue that didn't even last a second because of melee.
take that ledge on nm3 just after the lift. it takes less time than the tongue recharge time to get all the way across. you have one shot as a smoker to grab someone and pull them off. if you mess up, great, you probably missed the only time you'll ever be effective. with a shorter recharge you might be able to get another chance.
it also adds a bit of balance and depth in strategy between high areas and low areas for smokers to attack. a high up smoker has less effective attacks that make survivors easy to rescue but is in a safe place where it's easy to retreat out of gunfire. low smokers wont survive most of the time but if they succeed they have massive payoff, by dragging survivors off ledges, making them hang or causing fall damage. with the recharge time being the same as spawn time why would a smoker ever go to a high place, where they are effectively "killed" (from the survivor's point of view) after one rescue. all smokers will choose a low place where the one shot they get to have might count. with a quicker recharge, you can choose high and irritating or low and potentially devastating. it adds a much higher skill ceiling to the smoker.
also it's a good way to punish survivors who don't kill the infected who has the most obvious location, what with that bigass green smoke cloud and the long tongue that leads their gunfire right back to him. don't kill the smoker? expect to be tongued again.
smoker is a class that requires an opportunity to strike. without a prime opportunity it's useless or dead or maybe a distraction at most. good opportunities take a while as against even half decent survivor teams they'll be close together and meleeing etc. so when that rare opportunity pops up ie. when one person lags back maybe only a few metres or so or a boomer covers 3 of the team, it would be great if the smoker wasn't having to wait for the ridiculously long recharge because like 15 seconds ago he had a tongue that didn't even last a second because of melee.
take that ledge on nm3 just after the lift. it takes less time than the tongue recharge time to get all the way across. you have one shot as a smoker to grab someone and pull them off. if you mess up, great, you probably missed the only time you'll ever be effective. with a shorter recharge you might be able to get another chance.
it also adds a bit of balance and depth in strategy between high areas and low areas for smokers to attack. a high up smoker has less effective attacks that make survivors easy to rescue but is in a safe place where it's easy to retreat out of gunfire. low smokers wont survive most of the time but if they succeed they have massive payoff, by dragging survivors off ledges, making them hang or causing fall damage. with the recharge time being the same as spawn time why would a smoker ever go to a high place, where they are effectively "killed" (from the survivor's point of view) after one rescue. all smokers will choose a low place where the one shot they get to have might count. with a quicker recharge, you can choose high and irritating or low and potentially devastating. it adds a much higher skill ceiling to the smoker.
also it's a good way to punish survivors who don't kill the infected who has the most obvious location, what with that bigass green smoke cloud and the long tongue that leads their gunfire right back to him. don't kill the smoker? expect to be tongued again.
Know what I'd like to see the Hunter get. If the pounce is getting bonus pounce damage added on to it. Then make it unblockable. Even better could be to try giving it some AE damage to the ones he stun also surrounding the victim.
Another, If the smoker is on fire, The tongue is also and the victim starts taking fire damage. Would love that too. And what the hell, Have the boomer the same way. Where if it splashes it victims while on fire. They take damage:lol
Another, If the smoker is on fire, The tongue is also and the victim starts taking fire damage. Would love that too. And what the hell, Have the boomer the same way. Where if it splashes it victims while on fire. They take damage:lol
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Beaulieu said:
I believe he's saying that if a pounce is gonna do bonus damage, it should be unblockable.
Houston3000
Member
Speaking of bots, does anyone else feel they need some serious rebalancing for Versus games? On one hand they're slow, always lagging behind but on the other they're godly at taking down anything but a tank.
What pisses me off most is that they seem to see through Boomer bile perfectly fine. Playing a hunter one night, 3/4 of the team was boomer'd before entering the last room before the alarm car in NM1 (by the bus stop). One survivor was making a run for it and didn't get boomed so I jumped him about 5 yards after he left the building, just before the car. The NPC survivor, who literally just got exploded on, immediately recovered from his daze and ran through the multiple rooms of this building, out the front door, and melee/uzi'd me off the survivor.
They're also perfect at Boomer knock-back. I can understand them being able to do it sometimes but it's a little silly how accurate they are with it every time. Exploding on a survivor group is a true test of skill when they have an NPC on their side.
The fact that they are so horrible at following close to the other survivors and don't know how to closet camp doesn't make up for the fact that they have pinpoint accuracy and are immune to the most devastating distraction in the game. They're more of a hindrance to the survivors for sure but it's just very annoying (as in not fun) to try and play against them as infected.
What pisses me off most is that they seem to see through Boomer bile perfectly fine. Playing a hunter one night, 3/4 of the team was boomer'd before entering the last room before the alarm car in NM1 (by the bus stop). One survivor was making a run for it and didn't get boomed so I jumped him about 5 yards after he left the building, just before the car. The NPC survivor, who literally just got exploded on, immediately recovered from his daze and ran through the multiple rooms of this building, out the front door, and melee/uzi'd me off the survivor.
They're also perfect at Boomer knock-back. I can understand them being able to do it sometimes but it's a little silly how accurate they are with it every time. Exploding on a survivor group is a true test of skill when they have an NPC on their side.
The fact that they are so horrible at following close to the other survivors and don't know how to closet camp doesn't make up for the fact that they have pinpoint accuracy and are immune to the most devastating distraction in the game. They're more of a hindrance to the survivors for sure but it's just very annoying (as in not fun) to try and play against them as infected.
Visualante
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Officially bored of L4D. Going back to TF2 until a good movie comes out.
Congrats Amir0x.
Congrats Amir0x.
Is there a way to stop the AI team-mates healing me? I'm trying to get the Achievement for finishing a mission without using health and the fucking idiots keep healing me! There is nothing more annoying than getting through to the finale with a good amount of health...and then getting healed by someone!!
MaritalWheat
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Whip out a health pack (don't use it, just hold it when they start to heal).123rl said:
marvelharvey
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Get your medikit out and I think they'll stop123rl said:
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Just played Dead Air Versus on PC. Don't know how it's done, but one of the guys put in some console commands and had it switch over. No one could join because the server browser saw it as a full co-op game.
It was actually kind of boring. I left after the second map.
It was actually kind of boring. I left after the second map.
marvelharvey
Member
After the first round of vs last night:
"Shit, we got slaughtered, we'll lose for sure... but let's try to do our best."
After the enemy team play their round:
This carried on for pretty much the entire campaign, neither team managing to get more than a few steps out of the safe room before succumbing to a perfectly timid attack. By the time we started NM5, both teams' scores were still stuck in double digits :lol
"Shit, we got slaughtered, we'll lose for sure... but let's try to do our best."
After the enemy team play their round:
This carried on for pretty much the entire campaign, neither team managing to get more than a few steps out of the safe room before succumbing to a perfectly timid attack. By the time we started NM5, both teams' scores were still stuck in double digits :lol
SundaySounds
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Oh man, Me (Midnight Train), Vertopci, and BrightYoungThing (Panda Bear) Just had an awesome game. We were getting completely owned the first couple rounds, but then some of the teams got switched, and shit just got crazy.
PillowKnight
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I'm gonna get a game going soon...if you're interested get ready.
SundaySounds
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PillowKnight said:
Girlfriend's over. Maybe later. Thanks though.
Alright, I just started playing this after I finally got my damn headset shipped to me. I've only played a few rounds but why does no one use their health packs? The safe room gives you one each so if you still have one in your inventory why not top up your health? Dudes are running around with like 60% health and never use a health pack until they are almost dead... then laugh at the end credits when I used 5 health packs and they all used 1... Am I missing something? It's only on Normal (I'm a puss) so maybe they need a thrill
Uh, because they are a limited resource, heal more when at low health and reset your incapacitation count.sikkinixx said:
e: oh I misunderstood the post, of course you should use the spare ones assuming you've no reason to believe you can come back for it. I frequently use kits while still at 80+ health. I imagine the people playing on Normal just don't know better.
Are you on the 360? Because in the PC it's much more reasonable, anybody who knows how to play will spin around the moment they hear that slashing sound and melee stun you. When I'm playing competent players it's rare that I get more than a single swing off before dying. Also, slashing is actually the best counter to survivors backed into a corner/closet spamming melee right now, since if you aim properly you'll hit 2-3 of them at once with each swing.Pop On Arrival said:
I finally bought the game yesterday after renting it twice. What the hell is wrong with the player community on 360?
I tried Vs. for the first time and in two separate rooms my team was always:
- Two people on the same console who had no idea how to use a controller.
- A fourth teammate who seriously never stopped bitching and whining the entire game.
The concept is frickin' amazing, I just really need to get more people on my friend list who are still playing this game.
I tried Vs. for the first time and in two separate rooms my team was always:
- Two people on the same console who had no idea how to use a controller.
- A fourth teammate who seriously never stopped bitching and whining the entire game.
The concept is frickin' amazing, I just really need to get more people on my friend list who are still playing this game.
I think he just plays too many pub stomps, though on some maps even good players have hard time locating hunters while boomed. I did 80 damage with two swipes yesterday, admittedly this time against mediocre to poor players. When defending in a corner you definitely should avoid being too closely huddled together as even with everyone melee spamming a hunter can get a swipe in. This is probably one thing even pretty good players haven't learned to avoid.Zek said:
Pop On Arrival
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syllogism said:
Last 5-6 of my games were with gaffers. And yes, I mainly do massive damage with hunter melee while the survivors blinded. Btw, I am complaining more about how boring this strategy is, not really how broken it is. Although it really must be annoying as shit when you're new to a game you keep getting slashed to death.
Oh well.