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The Official "Real-Time with Bill Maher" Thread
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dead souls
Member
He was the best part of the show for sure.
speculawyer
Member
So if someone does one thing you disagree with then it is all over?
BTW, he's backed off on such anti-vaccine stuff.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
His voice is so soothing too. Also that one veteran guy (forgot his name) talking about Guantanamo like it was a good thing kind of disgusting...
I've been following Scahill for a couple years and he is one of the few actual good guys. No bullshit partisanship. He tells it like it is.
speculawyer
Member
He has certainly done a lot of good work and has quite the insider's view of things. Of course, I'd be a little skeptical of his views because he's "gone native" a bit. Yes, the drone program has gone too far and is probably creating a bit of a blow-back. But on the other hand, there are lots of bad people still out there that do want to kill us based on nothing but blind-faith ideology.
el retorno
Member
Yeah, but I don't buy the blow back as much as he's making it out to be.
I do buy the fact its creating new taliban members in Afghanistan as we're occupying their land but I don't see evidence for it producing amazing amounts of Terrorists that want to attack the home land here.
There's a difference in breeding resentment and people acting on that.
And he's so morally self-righteous, at least in many interviews.
Huge understatement.
I'm not trying to be condescending but this attitude is a core part of the problem to me and one of the key reasons we'll never get past this stuff. People don't want to "kill us" because they're purely hung up on idealogy. That's a gross oversimplification. From their point of view the US wants to kill them based on its own Christian idealogy.
The idealogy is more a vessel than the cause. A means to an end. These conflicts are about cause and effect along with the resultant escalation. People turn to idealogy when they need more of a driving motivation to see them enact their desire for what is usually revenge from things like drone strikes, invasion, political intervention, etc.
Actually, those people exist...but they aren't the ones we're radicalizing with drone strikes. Pissed off rural Pakistanis aren't going to get into the US and set off a bomb, so we don't give a shit. I think that's short sighted because Pakistan's nukes getting into the hands of pissed off crazy people could conceivably wipe out humanity.
BigJonsson
Member
That plastic gun might not even stop Magneto 
Do bullets have any metal in them?
Do bullets have any metal in them?
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Bill really got slapped around this episode. Lots of "moving on" and changing the subject.
ViperVisor
Member
Episode was lame.
Concern trolling about food from Bill at the start
Concern trolling about BengahziBengahziBengahzi
Concern trolling about the 2nd amendment
Really should fast-forward to Quinto chat and skip the rest.
Concern trolling about food from Bill at the start
Concern trolling about BengahziBengahziBengahzi
Concern trolling about the 2nd amendment
Really should fast-forward to Quinto chat and skip the rest.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Maher is starting to sound like a broken record. A very smug broken record.
ViperVisor
Member
The broken record was right.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/...youre-sane-by-dropping-benghazi-conspiracies/
That was November 16th
6 months later the same shit is infesting the news. And it is annoying bullshit. The months and months of the Clinton sex scandal in the 90s was at least inherently comical.
I think Bill tries to do a good show and be fair to the other side but it has become impossible. The GOP are fucktards of the highest order and it takes not skill to spin them into a joke.
I'm watching this now and Bill's Islamophobia isn't doing him much good.
I love how Bill likes to speak out against foreign wars and such but then uses rhetoric about people who "aren't on our side". Sometimes Bill sounds like the neocons he loves to ridicule.
Greenwald is completely owning Bill. The audience knows it, too.
I saw Lactose's comments and knew exactly how this would go down (as I posted).
And Bill didn't even address Greenwald's points. He moved onto his Crazy Congressmen bracket.
I usually agree with what Bill says even if he's an ass about it, but there are certain issues on which he contradicts himself big time or just sounds like the idiots he lambasts.
I love how Bill likes to speak out against foreign wars and such but then uses rhetoric about people who "aren't on our side". Sometimes Bill sounds like the neocons he loves to ridicule.
Greenwald is completely owning Bill. The audience knows it, too.
I saw Lactose's comments and knew exactly how this would go down (as I posted).
And Bill didn't even address Greenwald's points. He moved onto his Crazy Congressmen bracket.
I usually agree with what Bill says even if he's an ass about it, but there are certain issues on which he contradicts himself big time or just sounds like the idiots he lambasts.
Glenn posted a link to this video on his Twitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-itn_LJuM
The main smackdown begins at 4:50.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-itn_LJuM
The main smackdown begins at 4:50.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Maher acting like a toddler is not a suit he wears well. He brings up Benghazi on his own show, proceeds to claim that he is sick of hearing about, and when someone starts to question why Bill has such a huge problem with a mere investigation Maher changes the subject in retreat.
ViperVisor
Member
Ummm
They did the investigation. And the retardation isn't stoping. Now they want more hearings.
Glenn is pissing away credibility by insinuating this Benghazi road has ever been or will ever be about legitimate accountability for mistakes.
He's stupid when it comes to A) Israel B) Food C) Vaccines and D) Islam versus other religions
I can't listen to him whenever he touches on those subjects, because he comes off every bit as idiotic and disillusioned as the people "in the bubble" that he makes fun of on a weekly basis.
dead souls
Member
Yep and since this episode hit on three of those four topics Bill was pretty damn annoying. Greenwald and Quinto were good though.
Avon Barksdale
Member
Why isn't this week's episode up on HBO GO yet?
krameriffic
Member
I didn't take Bill's response as "I don't have an answer, let's move on". I took it as "I've rebutted that assertion every week for the last 6 months, fuck off".
I agree with you on C. He sounds like such an overprivileged, first-world-problems, bleeding heart liberal when he talks self-righteously about GMOs and fast food. But I think he raises valid concerns in the other areas (though I guess I don't really know his position on Israel).
At the end of the day, when it comes to Islam vs. other religions, I actually see it as a bit of an apologist hedge on his part, because deep down he believes all religions are bad and should just go away. He simply highlights Islam as being the worst one, and to his credit, in the modern world, he's probably right.
The Culture Vulture
Member
I like the show but Maher has been extra douchey the last couple of weeks.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
That woman in the middle. Ugghhh
zero shift
Banned
The Revolutionary War was good!? "But Slavery!!!"
lol @ Maher responding to Glenn Greenwald with an ad hominem after being taken to the woodshed on the topic of Islam. Saddest portrayal I've seen since Sam Harris saying "Muslim-looking" people should be subject to searches at airports, tried to back up his argument by saying any airline security official would support his claims in a silly appeal to authority, and then was refuted thoroughly by said airline official. He included this myopic gem:
Atheists, stop embarrassing me, and it would also be preferable if bigots in general would stop claiming themselves to be "true liberals."
Sam Harris said:
Atheists, stop embarrassing me, and it would also be preferable if bigots in general would stop claiming themselves to be "true liberals."
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Wasn't she just raising the point that all revolutions are imperfect and messy, including the American revolution? You could debate the misguidedness of that comparison with contemporary revolutions in the Middle East, but the conservative pundit took it to mean she was discounting the American revolution's entire unprecedented step toward democratic statehood, and I'd call that an oddly extreme misreading of her words.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
The ANARCHISTS!!!! AGGHHHH!!!!
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Okay, now that was ridiculous. A lot of hysteria on the panel about the plastic gun.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Yes, but that is a given. He should have replied with, "No shit, Sherlock." It was one of those comments that briefly derailed the discussion because she insisted on stating the obvious.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Yeah, it was an interesting moment. It's definitely worth discussing but the instant hysteria just turns me off to your opinion which I may even be partially aligned with.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Yeah, it was nice to see truth for once.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'm always so conflicted as a man when watching a panel with her on it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I liked him and I was glad that he called out that completely awful "but slavery" deflection from the lady in the middle, but I'm not sure he has the temperament to ever get a word in edgewise.
Ninja Scooter
Member
S.E. Cupp....
S.E. Cupp....
Oh yes.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Michael Moore looks like the kind of guy that has bad BO so I can't blame her.
She was doing okay until that moment. Saying that background checks for dangerous weapons are an infringement upon someone's rights or assumption of guilts is insane.
By her logic people should be given driver's licenses without needing to pass the test.
Eh, I don't care. She's cute.
And here's that NYT homeboy making an incredibly awkward move.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Sorkin has no game.
It's silly for SE to argue against a registry. Why not actively prove that your one of the sane people? You protect your hobby and right to bear arms while making sure loons don't sully the responsible owners.
It's silly for SE to argue against a registry. Why not actively prove that your one of the sane people? You protect your hobby and right to bear arms while making sure loons don't sully the responsible owners.
zero shift
Banned
The NYT's guy as well as the interview guy just pissed me off.
Re-watching this I can understand the point Cupp was trying to make about background checks - that people can claim it's some infringement on their individual liberty to carry a gun because of the 2nd amendment. I don't necessarily agree with the point, and it did seem like Cupp was not just conveying it but also advocated it. A moment later she said something along the lines of, "I can make that argument because of the 2nd amendment." Bill agreed with her that it's really the 2nd amendment that needs to be dealt with, and only then can gun laws and everything related be correspondingly developed or improved. I can see that.
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