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[Sanjuro]

Honestly graphics haven't changed much over the last few years. Mainly new ways of lighting textures and shadowing. So any system you pick will be in the same league, maybe down the road you'll notice some differences, but nothing like comparing PS2 > XBOX or PS1 > Dreamcast. People need to realize this and stop giving in to each companies bullshit.


Oh and yeah, Nintendo is going to have blast processing so it will be better.

 

[Shogmaster]

Oh and yeah, Nintendo is going to have blast processing so it will be better.

OH TEH IRONY!! :lol

 

[Izzy]

The X360 is quite capable. I don't get this automatically placing the X360 behind the PS3. I think they'll be quite equal, with the GPU of the 360 being the superior,

Just curious - how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Baron Aloha]

It's too early to tell. The "2-3 times more powerful" quote is probably a very conservative estimate. Remember when they said the GC would only push 12 million polys per second? Its most likely the same thing all over again.

Also, the people who keep saying that because of its size it will be underpowered really need to take a look at the Gamecube and compare its size to that of the original PS2 and Xbox. The Gamecube is much smaller than either of those systems but power wise it falls somewhere in between. You shouldn't be so quick to write it off Revolution because of its size. The Revolution could end up between Xbox 360 and PS3 spec wise....you never know.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Just curious - how did you come to this conclusion?

One GPU being built to the DX9 spec

One GPU being built to the WGF 2.0 spec

One GPU capable of more ops (Not just shaderops?) than the other

One GPU not bottlenecked at any angle

 

[mrklaw]

you forgot the 'one GPU with almost no technical details revealed'. I find that always helps me to skew an argument in my favour.

 

[Izzy]

One GPU being built to the DX9 spec

One GPU being built to the WGF 2.0 spec

One GPU capable of more ops (Not just shaderops?) than the other

One GPU not bottlenecked at any angle

Oh, I see - I thought you compared their core clock speed. Their dot product and shader op performance. Their transistor count difference.

 

[thorns]

you forgot the 'one GPU with almost no technical details revealed'. I find that always helps me to skew an argument in my favour.

Then you can't say the ps3 is more powerful overall either. It works both ways.

The more I read about the ATI GPU though, the more I feel that ATI have really outdone themselves and have developed a very fresh design.

 

[mrklaw]

Then you can't say the ps3 is more powerful overall either. It works both ways.

The more I read about the ATI GPU though, the more I feel that ATI have really outdone themselves and have developed a very fresh design.

Fair enough.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Oh, I see - I thought you compared their core clock speed. Their transistor count difference.

These two things usually have little to do with the power of a CPU. If they did, then 3DFX would still be king.

 

[Prine]

revolution = dreamcast

Weakest of the bunch

 

[Izzy]

These two things usually have little to do with the power of a CPU. If they did, then 3DFX would still be king.

I thought we were talking about GPU, no?

Regarding the shader op speed, here's a simple math for you:

PS3 GPU (RSX)
136 ops per clock * 550MHz = 74.8 billion ops per second

Xbox 360 GPU (R500)
96 ops per clock * 500MHz = 48 billion ops per second

 

[Odnetnin]

revolution = dreamcast

Weakest of the bunch

so was gamecube but its didn't kill Nintendo

 

[ge-man]

Tech specs mean nothing unless they are put into context, the GC, going by the specs is the weakest of the 3, being 1/2 and 1/4 of the power of the PS2 and Xbox respectively. That said it will most likely be the weakest of the 3 but the graphics will not be that far off like the Xbox->360 graphics.

This is something to keep in mind. People are hanging onto the power comments and have ignored what Miyamoto said in his IGN interview. We're getting a bunch a numbers right now and we don't know whether or not they reflect real world performance. The GC's cpu had nowhere near the raw power of Sony's processor, but the overall design of the machine put it in between the PS2 and the Xbox.

That's not to say that a repeat is going to happen this gen, but I do think that all of us should not take everything we're reading at face value.

 

[Deleted member 284]

so was gamecube but its didn't kill Nintendo

Wait, the GC certainly was not the weakest system this gen. It easily fell between PS2 and Xbox in terms of real world performance.

 

[robertsan21]

well i am sure that graphics wont be as nice on Rev as for PS3

and i dont like that, imagine, you pick up a game for PS3 that has awsome grapichs and then they release a game for Rev and it does not have that good looking graphics so you just been playing this super good looking game for PS3 and you switch over and start playing a not so nice game for Rev, that will turn you off abit.

at least i will get turned off abit.

if its a mario game or zelda game then its doesnt matter as they are always good no matter what they look like.

but for the casual gamer it will not be like that!

good example

the nintendo DS with its crappy graphics while the PSP has some awsome Graphics

i played RR on my PSP

and switched to RR on DS

and i almost started lauching.

the casual gamer will not buy a Rev because of that, we all know how important graphics are in this time and age.

i look at my little brother he is 12 and his friends are about 10-14 years old, they are even talking about the graphics in the games!

i remember when i was little sitting there plying on my NES and SNES i wasnt bitching about the graphics!
i was bitching about how the hell i would beat the last boss or how to clear this stage of solomons key.

my little brother even asked me if i could buy him a new computer so he could play HL2 as all of his friends had a super computer that could run HL2 but he did not.

so the world has changed and people do care alot about the graphics and that is good in away as i want to video games to evolve and become bigger, better and nicer to rest your eyes on.

now the price will be diffrent as nintendo Rev will be cheap and PS3 will be expensive as fuck, so normal families might not have the cash for a PS3 while they will have cash enough for a Rev so i can see it working for nintendo in that area..but hmm every one knows what a Playstaion is these days, its like Mc donalds.

bottom line is that not being able to compete with sonys graphics will hurt nintendo alot i believe.

 

[fortified_concept]

I think Nintendo would be stupid to launch a less powerful console with such heavy competition. It's not even launching first to have an excuse. Anyway I'm quite sure that Matt doesn't know shit as always so let's just wait.

 

[Amir0x]

Well for one, robertsan21, the DS is doing just fine, even despite its inferior visuals. And for another, the visual difference between PS3 and Revolution will almost certainly not even approach a gap at the level of DS v PSP, so it's a bit of a shakey comparrison in the first place

 

[cja]

GAF thinking

>>>>>>>>>

 

[Scrow]

If size is the basis of how we're determining a systems' power, then just bail the fuck out right now.

 

[Diffense]

Nnitendo's hardware design philosopy since GC has been very different from its competitors. Sony/MS use very powerful/expensive components with impressive specs. Nintendo has been favoring more balanced components in a console design that enables their efficient interoperation. It's a philosophy that takes them out of the numbers game (since their CPU/GPU aren't going to be as high end) but brings the ingame performance pretty close to the competition, at lower cost. I figure revolution's graphics will be good enough.

 

[ToxicAdam]

This is starting to get real annoying.

I don't have the capacity to endure a year of these threads. GAF save me!

 

[dark10x]

Well for one, robertsan21, the DS is doing just fine, even despite its inferior visuals.

I don't think this can be compared to actual console trends, however...

The PSP DOES deliver superior visuals...which happen to demand closer to console-like budgets. As handhelds are usually not the main focus of various companies, it is much easier and cheaper to create a game for the DS.

 

[D-X]

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet (apologies in advance)

 

[Amir0x]

I don't think this can be compared to actual console trends, however...

I agree, I was just showing robertsan21 while his example would not make much sense even if we could apply the principles of the handheld sector to the console sector.

The PSP DOES deliver superior visuals...which happen to demand closer to console-like budgets. As handhelds are usually not the main focus of various companies, it is much easier and cheaper to create a game for the DS.

Yes, it's quite the interesting scenario. Always love to see how experiments like this pan out.

 

[Sanjuro]

ah

 

[Slurpy]

I think we've established Matt knows fuck all about the system anyway.

And even if so, who cares.

 

[fortified_concept]

revolution = dreamcast

Weakest of the bunch

Do you have any inside sources about this or it's just wishful thinking so that 360 won't be the weakest therefore "equal to dreamcast"?

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah I laughed too. The PSP version is just soo damn bad its funny.

*mind explodes*

 

[NintendosBooger]

Graphics, processors, RAM, HDDs...

With so much emphasis placed on these things, who needs games? We can just stare at a console's specs all day after its launch :lol

 

[Ryudo]

Do you have any inside sources about this or it's just wishful thinking so that 360 won't be the weakest therefore "equal to dreamcast"?

Its pretty obvious that the 360 will be more powerfull than the revolution. 2-3 times more powerfull than the gamecube kinda signifies that.

 

[Amir0x]

Its pretty obvious that the 360 will be more powerfull than the revolution. 2-3 times more powerfull than the gamecube kinda signifies that.

I, uh, don't thi--




--nevermind.

 

[UltraMagnanimous]

Thing is, revolution will be, relative to the current trio, very powerful. Better specs wise than current PC tech and more than capable of hosting games like HL2, Doom 3 and so on... which are as we all know going to appear on Xbox!

How many nextgen games did we see at E3 which looked like they were a huge leap up in quality from HL2? Granted there were a few, but if the revolution can render HL2 quality graphics ot better (would people take that as a given?) I don't really see much of a problem until later in the gen when 360 and certainly PS3 start pulling ahead.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

I think from now on all processing power should be measured in gamecubes.

 

[Leatherface]

I think Matt knows as much as the rest of us and is going by the comments made to him. Truth is Nintendo could be giving realistic figures instead of the inflated rubbish that Microsoft and Sony are parading around.

 

[SantaC]

I want the Revolution to be as powerful as anyone else, but Nintendo also said it will be an affordble console. I think the Rev will be quite powerful, but not AS powerful. (would be loved to be proven wrong though)

 

[jarrod]

and the PS3, and by proxy the X360, to have vastly superior GPUs. The GPU in the Rev, I predict, will be very efficient, though.

ATi mentioned that Nintendo and Microsoft are spending roughly the same amount on their next generation GPUs. I think most likely, the CPU is where Revolution will fall behind the others while it's GPU has a chance to be the best.

I'm also sort of doubting a PPU in Revolution.

 

[Shaheed79]

I think from now on all processing power should be measured in gamecubes.

It already is right now I'm runnin a 25cbhz(Cubahertz) GPU.

 

[chinch]

not a knock, but of course N will be "the weakest of the three" in terms of hardware.

 

[StRaNgE]

has matt gotten fired yet?

are his bosses even reading his smegma filled crap that spews forth his gaping pie hole?

 

[marc^o^]

It's kinda weird Matt is still on board at IGN. His Nintendo coverage is so bad compared to other editors. A specialized editor of such a big site should be here to make fans happy, he should draw people attention with enthusiasm. Instead he's always negative about Nintendo. I'm sure it's not in IGN's interest to have him lose Nintendo fans audience, articles after articles.

 

[Raistlin]

I don't get this automatically placing the X360 behind the PS3. I think they'll be quite equal, with the GPU of the 360 being the superior, yet the CELL dominating the 360's CPU in a lot of arenas.

Now that is comedy gold.

You question why people automatically assume the PS3 is more powerful overall, and then make the assumeption that the Xenos is more powerful than the RSX :lol

I was under the impression that we don't really know enough to answer these sorts of questions.

 

[Amir0x]

Thing is, revolution will be, relative to the current trio, very powerful. Better specs wise than current PC tech and more than capable of hosting games like HL2, Doom 3 and so on... which are as we all know going to appear on Xbox!

How many nextgen games did we see at E3 which looked like they were a huge leap up in quality from HL2? Granted there were a few, but if the revolution can render HL2 quality graphics ot better (would people take that as a given?) I don't really see much of a problem until later in the gen when 360 and certainly PS3 start pulling ahead.

This is next-gen. I want a console that can display considerably better than Half-Life 2 visuals, thank you.

 

[tedtropy]

Honestly graphics haven't changed much over the last few years. Mainly new ways of lighting textures and shadowing. So any system you pick will be in the same league, maybe down the road you'll notice some differences, but nothing like comparing PS2 > XBOX or PS1 > Dreamcast. People need to realize this and stop giving in to each companies bullshit.

Whaaaaaa? While I agree that the graphical output of the three big next-gen consoles will likely be pretty similar, I gotta call you on that first sentence. The graphics we've seen just on this generation of consoles alone has improved tremendously with time. Hell, just look at any of the early titles on the three consoles compared to what we're getting now. It's almost night and day.

 

[Mr Gump]

DIMINISHING RETURNS.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Why are we talking about specs when it comes to the Revolution?. They are not out yet so whats the point? Nintendo has never released a console that doesn't compete tech wise. Handheld is a different market people.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

If you think size doesn't have anything to do with power, you can just kill yourself too.

if you think size has everything to do with power you can just kill yourself too





are people seriously this fucking stupid that the size of a console makes them think which one is more powerful christ are you all that fucking dumb

have any of you ever seen the motherboard in the GC and how small it is, you realize the majority of the GC is open space and yet OMG it held its own against the XBOX OMG the laws of our world are coming unravled

christ people are fucking stupid sometimes

 

[bigNman]

If Revolution used 3 cpu's at 2.5 ghz each then yes it would be the weakest system but would you be able to tell the difference? I doubt it.

So Im not worried at all about the specs. It has to have 512 MB of RAM (otherwise no ports) and im sure ATI will do a fab job with the graphics. To get it that small chances are the CPU will be less fast so they save on heat/power.

 

[BuddyC]

If you think size doesn't have anything to do with power, you can just kill yourself too.

if you think size has everything to do with power you can just kill yourself too

are people seriously this fucking stupid that the size of a console makes them think which one is more powerful christ are you all that fucking dumb

have any of you ever seen the motherboard in the GC and how small it is, you realize the majority of the GC is open space and yet OMG it held its own against the XBOX OMG the laws of our world are coming unravled

christ people are fucking stupid sometimes

Both of you need to take a few days and cool off.

As for everyone else, I'll make you a deal. Let's be honest, when it comes to technical specifications, for most of you, it's a numbers game to see which system has the bigger numbers. There are only a few people on this board that actually get something of the tech spec discussion, and I don't see Panja around.

So unless you know, and I mean, really know, what you're talking about, just keep all the speculation about tech specs and such in here. Cool?

 

[Scrow]

So unless you know, and I mean, really know, what you're talking about, just keep all the speculation about tech specs and such in here. Cool?

heh, good luck with that.