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Does that damage the machine or just the protectors?
The magnet protectors curling up? It can damage the machine as well, I've seen a photo or two of them peeling up some of the playfield when they go.
I'm not saying don't use them, but do as much research as you can. Pinside is your friend. Also, ask Cliffy himself about them, he's super honest and won't sell you something if you're cautious or there's known issues with them.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Is Mark Ritchie on Facebook? I refuse to believe the Capcom pinball games can't be emulated, so I wanna ask the guy who worked on them.
I just want to play Kingpin, Big Bang Bar and Pinball Magic.
I just want to play Kingpin, Big Bang Bar and Pinball Magic.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Cliffy Thread on Pinside
For what it's worth, it isn't for sure related to the protector. Rumor is that it may be related to the clear that Stern used on some runs. As such, rather than risk it, I am still putting Mylar on mine. I will probably put the Mystery Scoop Cliffy on mine, though.
Best bet is to emulate in VP. BBB is there, but I don't know if Kingpin or Pinball Magic is. I had a chance to buy a nice PInball Magic recently, but didn't want to spend the money on game I have NEVER seen or played in my life.
No Jack*Bot on Steam TPA yet? :/
If it didn't get me on your brain by the end of the episode, then something's wrongAlright, just ordered ColorDMD for MET. Last episode of C2C really got ColorDMD on my brain.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Shaneus - what did you say to Nate that he wouldn't read on air?!
E: I think I'm the Indiana shirt! Woo!
E: I think I'm the Indiana shirt! Woo!
No Jack*Bot on Steam TPA yet? :/
If it didn't get me on your brain by the end of the episode, then something's wrong
Haha, haven't gotten that far yet but I'll keep an ear out.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I would prefer to keep things on TPA to support the licensees and all that. Hopefully FS can work something out and maybe get the technical docs to emulate things without a problem (isn't the VPMAME version slow, I remember hearing that).
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twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
New newsletter is out. DirectX 11 stuff, Mobile fun facts, actual Xbox 360 news, and of course the table hint:
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God dammit, that's not High Speed II!!!
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Sorry to say this, but there's about a 0% chance you'll get to play those tables on TPA.
And no, VPMAME runs smooth as butter.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Guess I gotta keep the Lamborghini in the garage for another month. Fuck...
(I also refuse to acknowledge any barriers keeping the Capcom titles off of TPA. If The Addams Family can finally make an appearance, anything is possible.)
The company that owns the Williams license also owns the Capcom license.
Don't count anything out!
Sadly, yes... it looks like it. I'm still bitter as fuck about it even getting included in that poll (pick a pre-80s machine... and they pick one from 1980!), should've been Flash.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I suck at JackBot, any tips? I drain the ball pretty quickly, and I only broke 1 billion once.
(Yep, it's a mid-'90s pinball game, all right)
(Yep, it's a mid-'90s pinball game, all right)
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
I'm more thinking that the list of Capcom titles includes:
- Big Bang Bar - can't imagine this one is cheap to produce (unless they work with the guys who originally produced it)
- Kingpin - talk about expensive
- Breakshot - this shouldn't be too tough
- Pinball Magic - from what I've seen and heard, this is a great game
May be worth watching this vid:
https://vimeo.com/44970176
Gunstarheroes
Member
I wanna mention, they have/want to do Big Bang Bar, i talked about it with Farsight at PAX East last year. They were still stuck in emulation issues at the time though. So don't give up!
Weren't they doing it as part of Pinball After Dark? What on earth happened to that?
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
That's what I was mentioning. Since Mark Ritchie worked at Capcom, perhaps he has some technical documents that would help?
I'm guessing they have their hands full and are waiting for a good license, like Playboy, to come through before resuming.
I'm sure that Capcom don't hold the rights to Big Bang Bar anymore and Illinois Pinball does
I think that the whole Pinball After Dark thing is bullshit and a smoke screen, just look at the table art and DMD animations of Starship Troopers not to mention the Elivra tables. If Pinball After Dark was ever going to be a product Troopers wouldn't have be made for vanilla TPA, besides what table other than Tales From The Crypt would it even make sense to make a completely new pinball product for!?, it just would fragment TPA even more.
Mark my words TFTC will be one of the Halloween tables this year and will be in vanilla TPA thus quashing and ideas of this Pinball After Dark bullshit!
Anyone else having trouble with input lag on PC? I have set the maximum pre-rendered frames to 1 for Pinball Arcade in the Nvidia control panel which makes it much better, but I still get more input lag compared to the PS4 version. It's the same with keyboard or controller. The game also runs perfect with smooth framerate.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
No, it's not a license issue...I think it's an emulation issue and an issue with getting a table for them to recreate. It's why something like Kingpin is likely to be crazy difficult to produce - emulation + getting a table.
Also, played Jack*Bot and I really don't like it. It took what I love about Pin*bot and replaced it with lame music and too "happy and colorful" of a theme. It's pretty nutty how the two layouts are actually identical. Are there ANY differences?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
make sure you added in the dx11 executable as a program since its different then default pinball arcade thats detected.
setup maximum pre-rendered frames to 1,
multi-display/mixed to single display performance mode
triple buffeing to on
vsync to on
i put virtual reality prerender to 1 as we
after that toggling to full screen eliminated the vast majority of the imput lag i was experiancing
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
thats funny cuz I've had the exact opposite experiance. I really didn't care for pinbot...love bride of pinbot and wasn't looking forward to jack since it was suppoes to be similiar to pinbot.
Now after playing it a few times I think its awesome..I'll probably never play pinbot again.
I really love tables with gambling in them apparently
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
I just prefer the theme and sound in Pin*bot. :3 The gambling stuff isn't my cup of tea for a pin I guess!
Looked through the thread. Playing it in fullscreen window seems to have solved the problem. Thanks!
Kind of bothersome as I don't want to use the 1920x1200 resolution in windows, so I will have to change it every time. Hopefully the DX11 version will play without input lag when they have got it working in fullscreen.
The physics isn't the same in the PC and PS4 version, so it makes it a bit harder to compare them. The ball definitely feels heavier in the PC version. I think I like the physics in the PS4 version more, but that might be because I'm more used to it. It's easier to get the ball where I want it. By principle I want it to be as realistic as possible, and I think the PC version might be a bit more realistic, so I'm contradicting myself
Jack bot seems to be another good table for Season 4. Just played the trial since I will have to wait for the PS4 release as I bought the season pack there.
You should have it already. Just launch the game and pick the DX11 option. I think you have to run the config one time before running it. It's only windowed for now.
microtubule
Member
DX11 Public Beta seems to be getting some good feedback judging by the official forum. Also noticed this DX9 vs DX11 screenshot thread on Steam.
ACH1LL3US
Member
Looked through the thread. Playing it in fullscreen window seems to have solved the problem. Thanks!
Kind of bothersome as I don't want to use the 1920x1200 resolution in windows, so I will have to change it every time. Hopefully the DX11 version will play without input lag when they have got it working in fullscreen.
The physics isn't the same in the PC and PS4 version, so it makes it a bit harder to compare them. The ball definitely feels heavier in the PC version. I think I like the physics in the PS4 version more, but that might be because I'm more used to it. It's easier to get the ball where I want it. By principle I want it to be as realistic as possible, and I think the PC version might be a bit more realistic, so I'm contradicting myself
Jack bot seems to be another good table for Season 4. Just played the trial since I will have to wait for the PS4 release as I bought the season pack there.
You should have it already. Just launch the game and pick the DX11 option. I think you have to run the config one time before running it. It's only windowed for now.
I dont see where I choose the dx11 version.
ACH1LL3US
Member
Ah I got dx11 working! Full screen at 4k native, runs perfectly
Need to turn room brightness to 20 and it looks perfect to me. Not surw what difference led brightness does.
So in the dx11 options, doesnt look like you can turn MSAA off, it asks for buffer size and quality of msaa 1 through 4 but no option to turn it off...
Need to turn room brightness to 20 and it looks perfect to me. Not surw what difference led brightness does.
So in the dx11 options, doesnt look like you can turn MSAA off, it asks for buffer size and quality of msaa 1 through 4 but no option to turn it off...
When you start tpa you shold be given a choice between tpa, tpa dx11 and configuration. I guess if it doesn't work you can try to opt in for the beta by right clicking on the game then properties>betas tab>choose dx11 beta. I didn't need to do this though.
Edit: too late!
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
I've settled on 20% room brightness for all tables until they address the ball highlights dimming when in the shadows.
I've put all tables after Dracula at 60% bulb brigthness.
all the rest of of season 3 @ 80% bulb Brightness
all of season 2 @ 90% bulb brightness
and all of season 1 @ 100% bulb brightness except AFM and MM which both seem to have really bright bulbs and set those at 70%
Overall its a good baseline to start with if you prefer a dusk/dimly lit room
I've put all tables after Dracula at 60% bulb brigthness.
all the rest of of season 3 @ 80% bulb Brightness
all of season 2 @ 90% bulb brightness
and all of season 1 @ 100% bulb brightness except AFM and MM which both seem to have really bright bulbs and set those at 70%
Overall its a good baseline to start with if you prefer a dusk/dimly lit room
ACH1LL3US
Member
Excellent post!!
Any reason why you chose higher bulb brightness for the older seasons?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
well it affects the under table lights.
What I've found is Dracula and newer seems to have been developed with the PS4 version having enhanced lighting and the lights are plenty bright and pop really good. so 60 looks awesome...bit over saturated but I like the look of LED modded tables so I'm cool with that.
season 3 up to dinner the table lights the under table lights are noticeably dimmer so 80% makes them pop abit better without going higher and having white over saturation bleed out to much details around the slingshots.
Season 2 same thing but pushed it abit more to 90% since seems like it could use it
season 1 is the worst overall..except attack from mars and Medieval Madness.
Tables like Ripley s, Twilight zone and Creature from the Black Lagoon need the bulbs on 100% (creature needs tweaking overall).
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
This is what the ball needs in TPA
heres a screenshot of Scared Stiff in TPA Dx11 Beta and Unit3d Alpha
both with similar lighting
world of difference for ball visibility tho
heres a screenshot of Scared Stiff in TPA Dx11 Beta and Unit3d Alpha
both with similar lighting
world of difference for ball visibility tho
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Did they improve physics? Drop and live catches and more randomness akin to a real table?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
unit3d pinball?
I hope so but I'm not in their beta, the complex flippers seem pretty awesome, but publicly alpha 2 is all I can try
I hope so but I'm not in their beta, the complex flippers seem pretty awesome, but publicly alpha 2 is all I can try
This is what the ball needs in TPA
heres a screenshot of Scared Stiff in TPA Dx11 Beta and Unit3d Alpha
both with similar lighting
world of difference for ball visibility tho
Yeah thats what they need to aim for
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Having more fun with Jackpot now that I'm giving it a second glance. 6b easy. I could have broke 10b but my phone gets weird lag spikes and screws me sometimes. Dumb.
I like the risk reward more now that I understand how to make use of it.
I like the risk reward more now that I understand how to make use of it.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Playboy and Family Guy are two licenses that I can think of off of the top of my head.
If I had to wager for this year's Halloween table, I'd go with Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, because the film it's based on appears to be covered by the same license that resulted in Dracula and Starship Troopers being added into TPA. That, and it looks fun.
How it's put together very much reminds me of a typical Oursler title. It just screams Junkyard/Who Dunnit to me.
PS. The lag spikes are probably from your tablet trying to (re)connect to something like Game Center. Either go in airplane mode or make sure you're on consistent wifi
I really like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, I played a bunch of it when I was in the US last year so I hope you are right.
MET/new-pin heads:
I'm going to bring the machine to my new place (currently working on getting everything updated at the seller's shop where we have tools and the like). Anything I'm missing here in terms of just putting the machine into my game room for play (this being my first machine and all):
-Casters to set it on
-Updated code
-Set to free play
-Novus No. 1 & 2 and old shirts for playfield cleaning
Feel like I'm missing something obvious because it seems too easy.
I'm going to bring the machine to my new place (currently working on getting everything updated at the seller's shop where we have tools and the like). Anything I'm missing here in terms of just putting the machine into my game room for play (this being my first machine and all):
-Casters to set it on
-Updated code
-Set to free play
-Novus No. 1 & 2 and old shirts for playfield cleaning
Feel like I'm missing something obvious because it seems too easy.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Heh, I did send a friend request to Mark Ritchie, but he hasn't accepted yet. Oh well, dem's the breaks.